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hmmm i think the point cost is pretty good ive ran a few parctise scenarios today with 6 ogryns and a lord commissar and they took out a 10 man tac squad in 1 turn, killed a 6 man terminator squad (assult ones) and put up a good fight against each model with noproblem due to powers fists been so slow when they hit back though the powers fists did take 2 guys but they died next turn..

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WHY does no one like storm troopers?!

Lots of people like them. This is the first thread I've ever seen people bash on them. They're an accurate, flexible, surgical unit, something that is very rare in the IG codex. Yes they're a little expensive, but a 5 man melta squad is a great way to kill vehicles at range.

Another thing I'm curious about seeing with 6Th is if that whole "wounds go from closest target to farthest" thing is true. Storm troopers could become really handy at assasination duty, deepstriking a full squad with plasma or something behind an enemy unit and picking off special weapons or a sarge. Thats more speculation though...

Is there any other thing the stormtroopers are good at?

I am trying to see what can DKoK grenadiers do since they pretty much 18 ppm stormies that can't deepstrike :/

Bobthehero wrote:Is there any other thing the stormtroopers are good at?

I am trying to see what can DKoK grenadiers do since they pretty much 18 ppm stormies that can't deepstrike :/

Can't they enter the board via the hades drill? They don't need deepstrike.

No that's the Engineers, unless there's a rule I skipped.

Seems grenadiers are there for close quarter anti horde purpose with the possibility to bring 2x flamer a heavy flamer and a demo charge, and then rapid fire gun that will punch through most horde infantry armor.

ZebioLizard2 wrote:Unless your counting the assault 3 shotgun

Which I was. I could have made that more clear.

martin74 wrote:Ogryns need to be put with Yarrick (get that extra re roll)

But why do ogryn NEED the reroll? I dont' see why this would be required to make ogryn playable. If anything, this makes ogryn arguably worse as it's way, way more expensive.

350 points is borderline way too many for a single unit from the guard codex, but 6 ogryn and a lord commissar are pretty beefy against most stuff. With yarrick and a chimera, you're not really adding much by way of durability (what with sacrificing an ogryn), nor are you increasing killing power by ALL that much, while at the same time making the squad 450+ points. That seems like that's enough to tip it over the line, especially when a single vindicator blast, or a couple of charging rough rider squads could flatten it with way fewer points spend on their side.

I'm with Ailaros 100% on this one. I've used Ogryns a few times , and have never been disappointed. While they don't always stack up well against certain units, you have to remember, they're in the Imperial Guard. If there's a problem unit, you kill it with fire. Ogryns beat all kinds of stuff into the dirt, and do so while taking very few wounds, allowing them to keep pounding stuff until an opponent puts massive firepower into them. There's very few easy answers to killing Ogryns.

Consider this: You can fit 18 T5 wounds in a Chimera. That's about at durable as a blob of 40 Guardsmen, and it's in a Chimera.

Yarrik allows all missed to hit to be re rolled. The fact that you are increasing your chances to wound only helps. With strength 6 hits on the charge you will force a lot of armor saves. Plus the power claw helps wrap things up. I know a lot of points, but it is worth it. I usually only use yarrik as my hq choice.


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In addition, if you fail your leadership with a lord commissar there goes the bone ead. Yarrik does not have the summary execution rule.