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Psienesis wrote:

6. If you are an Inquisitor, the power of the Rosette extends only as far as the law of the Imperium does. If you're out in the wilds of space, far from any civilized world, do keep that in mind. If that Rogue Trader has a bigger, more heavily-armed ship than yours? Well, you're a long way from home, and it might be centuries before anyone finds the wreckage of your vessel. Try to be polite, hmm?

Which is why be polite to Space Marines and Tech Priests when they've got more guns and are your only companions/witnesses.

The Blood Ravens are descendants of loyal Thousand Sons Corvidae.

Omegon is the real source of Grey Knight geneseed. Many of the mindwipes and purges attributed to the Grey Knights are the results of overzealous Inquisitors. Knowledge of the Chapter is fairly widespread amongst line Marines and senior members of other Adeptus. Kaldor Draigo is long dead and gone, the apparent Grey Knight randomly popping out of the Warp is a pawn of Tzeentch.

1- Guilliman killed Omegon.
2- He's also healing in stasis.
3- Commander Farsight is an honorary title, not a singular being.
4- LotD have transcended into daemonhood under patronage of the Emperor/ Starchild.
5- The Emperor is going to be reborn as a Chaos god made man, after mankind falls of course.
6- Blood Ravens are descended from the Thousand Sons.
7- The Chaos Gods are waiting to break through the broken Webway Gate under the Golden Throne. Which is failing.
8- Ethereals mind controlled the entire Tau race to begin with using pheromones, now however, obedience is so deeply bred into them, they can only obey.
9- The Tyranid Hive Mind is a sentient Warp being from another galaxy's respective part of the Immaterium.
10- The Warp spans the entire Universe, what we see is merely relative to our Galaxy.
11- Gork and Mork were once only Orks who grew so large they believed themselves to be gods, and what with Orky Waaagh powers working how they do...
12- The Dark Mechanicus has a fully working STC.
13- The Sanguinor is also a daemon of the Emperor.

That's all I got for now.

1. Draigo doesn't exist. That gak-smeared monstrosity of a character never happened.

1. The Ultramarines are a major chapter, but are by no means the ultimate template of what a space marine should be. Each chapter has traits its known for. The Imperial Fists have their determination.The Crimson Fists, stoicism. The Black Templars have their zeal. The Space Wolves have individuality. The Ultramarines have professionalism. But no Crimson Fist is gonna say 'Oh yeah, being a CF is pretty cool. Dorn was a rocking guy, and Kantor is pretty awesome. The whole Rynn's World thing sucked, yeah, but you know what? We're still here, we can still fight, and we're slowly but surely getting over it. It's a rockin' time. But I will never be whole, because through all of this, I know I'll never be an ULTRAMARINE." Spiritual Leige my ass. Suck it, Ward. *BLAM*

3. The guard are far more competent than many would have you believe. It is true, your average guardsman, by modern standards, is poorly trained, and faces truly horrific foes, but the guard is where badasses like Straken and Marbo come from; hard, blooded soldiers who learned everything they know the hard way, and had the balls and the grit to survive the lesson.

Tl;dr: Draigo has no character and Ward's SM fluff was AWFUL, neither are canon, guardsmen are a bit poopy but vets are grizzled badasses who make up for it.

TermiesInARaider wrote:1. Draigo doesn't exist. That gak-smeared monstrosity of a character never happened.

1. The Ultramarines are a major chapter, but are by no means the ultimate template of what a space marine should be. Each chapter has traits its known for. The Imperial Fists have their determination.The Crimson Fists, stoicism. The Black Templars have their zeal. The Space Wolves have individuality. The Ultramarines have professionalism. But no Crimson Fist is gonna say 'Oh yeah, being a CF is pretty cool. Dorn was a rocking guy, and Kantor is pretty awesome. The whole Rynn's World thing sucked, yeah, but you know what? We're still here, we can still fight, and we're slowly but surely getting over it. It's a rockin' time. But I will never be whole, because through all of this, I know I'll never be an ULTRAMARINE." Spiritual Leige my ass. Suck it, Ward. *BLAM*

3. The guard are far more competent than many would have you believe. It is true, your average guardsman, by modern standards, is poorly trained, and faces truly horrific foes, but the guard is where badasses like Straken and Marbo come from; hard, blooded soldiers who learned everything they know the hard way, and had the balls and the grit to survive the lesson.

Tl;dr: Draigo has no character and Ward's SM fluff was AWFUL, neither are canon, guardsmen are a bit poopy but vets are grizzled badasses who make up for it.

In fairness it was McNeil that first had the "Spiritual Liege" idea

Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:

TermiesInARaider wrote:1. Draigo doesn't exist. That gak-smeared monstrosity of a character never happened.

1. The Ultramarines are a major chapter, but are by no means the ultimate template of what a space marine should be. Each chapter has traits its known for. The Imperial Fists have their determination.The Crimson Fists, stoicism. The Black Templars have their zeal. The Space Wolves have individuality. The Ultramarines have professionalism. But no Crimson Fist is gonna say 'Oh yeah, being a CF is pretty cool. Dorn was a rocking guy, and Kantor is pretty awesome. The whole Rynn's World thing sucked, yeah, but you know what? We're still here, we can still fight, and we're slowly but surely getting over it. It's a rockin' time. But I will never be whole, because through all of this, I know I'll never be an ULTRAMARINE." Spiritual Leige my ass. Suck it, Ward. *BLAM*

3. The guard are far more competent than many would have you believe. It is true, your average guardsman, by modern standards, is poorly trained, and faces truly horrific foes, but the guard is where badasses like Straken and Marbo come from; hard, blooded soldiers who learned everything they know the hard way, and had the balls and the grit to survive the lesson.

Tl;dr: Draigo has no character and Ward's SM fluff was AWFUL, neither are canon, guardsmen are a bit poopy but vets are grizzled badasses who make up for it.

In fairness it was McNeil that first had the "Spiritual Liege" idea

Granted. But Codex: Space Marines took that concept and blew it FAR out of proportion. There's simply no reason why chapters decended from Dorn, or Ferrus Manus, or Vulkan, or any of the other primarchs would revere Gulliman to any degree more than another unrelated primarch.

Yes there is...Religious Zealotry.


That's what Imperial Space Marines are. Religious Zealots. Every edition of 40k has painted them as such.

And this kind of thing about the Ultramarines isn't new. It isn't just from Mr Ward. It's from Jervis Johnson, Rick Priestly, and Alan Merrit. On page 13 of the old Ultramarines Codex from 2nd edition 40k it says " All the Primogenitor Chapters venerate Roboute Guilliman, the Primarch of the Ultramarines, and their own founding father and Patron".

This goes a long way to explaining why it says that other gak in the new Space Marines Codex.

And the Primogenitor chapters were the first to be divided from the Ultramarines during the 2nd founding.

In my mind Marines don't actually worship the Emperor since they would know more about him but he is their Liege Lord and as such they fight in his name.

Chaplains just recant stories of their predecessors

Roadkill Zombie wrote:Yes there is...Religious Zealotry.


That's what Imperial Space Marines are. Religious Zealots. Every edition of 40k has painted them as such.

And this kind of thing about the Ultramarines isn't new. It isn't just from Mr Ward. It's from Jervis Johnson, Rick Priestly, and Alan Merrit. On page 13 of the old Ultramarines Codex from 2nd edition 40k it says " All the Primogenitor Chapters venerate Roboute Guilliman, the Primarch of the Ultramarines, and their own founding father and Patron".

This goes a long way to explaining why it says that other gak in the new Space Marines Codex.

And the Primogenitor chapters were the first to be divided from the Ultramarines during the 2nd founding.

By Primogenitor chapters, I'm guessing you mean Novamarines, Sons of Orar, and the like? Never heard the term before.

Well, based on that, it would make sense for Primogenitor chapters to venerate Gulliman, seeing that he's their Primarch. But it would make no sense for, say, an Imperial Fist to revere Gulliman over an equally unrelated primarch, like Russ. Both are great heroes of the Imperium, and I'm sure those without beef attached, for example, maybe, an Iron Hand, would respect both of them. But one would expect that he'd have more pride in being an Iron Hand, decended from his own primarch, than he'd have a desire to emulate the Ultramarines that he has little relationship to beyond them both being space marines.

My fannon

1. Squats were never destroyed by a Tyranid fleet. It's an Inquisition cover up. The inquisition made it seem like the Squats had all been destroyed so they could make use of their technological brilliance in fighting the Daemon threat (something the Squats had major experience with considering how close the Maelstrom is to the Squat Strongholds). The Inquisition called on old treaties to have the Squats make some of the Dark Age of Technology tech that the Inquisition uses and to also help develop the Thunderfire Cannon for the Space Marines using old Thudd Gun and Mole Mortar STC's. Then the Brotherhoods of the Squats helped Inquisitors as Henchmen, basically hiring themselves out to Inquisitors.

2. The guy on theGolden Throne isn't the Emperor, it's Malcador. The Emperor is actually in Trazyn's collection. This is why the guy on the throne has never been awakened. It's also why the four Chaos Primarchs refer to him as the False Emperor...because they knew who the real emperor was and they would not follow Malcador, knowing he was really the false emperor. Knowing they couldn't retrieve the Emperor from Trazyn's collection, they fell to Chaos instead, rather than follow the false Emperor.

3. The Emperor of Mankind is the most powerful human psyker to ever have lived. He is not, however, made from many shamans from before human history. Nor is he immortal, or a God. Instead, he is just an opportunistic warlord that had some really cool technology that he captured from many of the other warlords he was fighting during the Age of Strife on Earth. He tried to use it to make himself the most powerful warlord on earth, but instead of increasing his might, it increased his Psychic ability to extreme levels. With the captured tech, he found many of the other Warlords were trying to do the same thing, and they were in cryogenic chambers. He stole those chambers as he conquered new territories and eventually united all of earth.

During this time, he noticed an increase in psykers being born into the world. He started studying the Warp and found it filled with all manner of Chaos beings, including the three Gods of Chaos, Khorne, Tzeentch, and Nurgle. Then, the Eldar empire fell, creating Slaanesh, and suddenly the Emperor knew he could try to become a Chaos God himself. He figured, if it was possible for Slaanesh, then it was possible for him as well.

So he decided to engineer the Horus Heresy. The perfect way to get a bunch of people to start worshipping him as a God and give him power if he could only find a way to live in the Warp. Using the Golden Throne to open a hole into the Webway, he secretly moved through it to many worlds, depositing the Warlords he had found in Cryogenic Chambers onto them. He then set about to conquering the galaxy so he could get even more humans to start worshipping him. Eventually, he told the Space Marines (who he created from the genetic codes of the other warlords in Cryogenic Chambers) that he had found their primarchs. They believed him and continued to go crusade for him.

Everything would have gone to plan were it not for some random Necron world being awoken by the Emperor, and Trazyn adding him to his collection.

Malcador, realizing that the Emperor had been captured, took over the reigns of power and posed as the Emperor, unknowingly setting into motion the Emperors plan of staging the Heresy. Horus, and the rest of the Warlords realized that Malcador wasn't the Emperor and rebelled against him.

Now, if only the Emperor could find a way out of Trazyn's collection, his dream of becoming a Chaos God could be realized....

4. Eldar, pre fall, are the most powerful psykers the galaxy has ever seen. Even more powerful than the Emperor.

5. Eldar post- fall are nowhere near as psychically powerful as they had been but they are still better than 99% of the human population of the galaxy.

6. The Necron lord that left the galaxy after he saw what the Ctan did to the Necrontyr found the Tyranid race, started experimenting with them, and brought them back to our galaxy as a way to get organic bodies for the Necrons again.

There's more but that's it for now.


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TermiesInARaider wrote:

Roadkill Zombie wrote:Yes there is...Religious Zealotry.


That's what Imperial Space Marines are. Religious Zealots. Every edition of 40k has painted them as such.

And this kind of thing about the Ultramarines isn't new. It isn't just from Mr Ward. It's from Jervis Johnson, Rick Priestly, and Alan Merrit. On page 13 of the old Ultramarines Codex from 2nd edition 40k it says " All the Primogenitor Chapters venerate Roboute Guilliman, the Primarch of the Ultramarines, and their own founding father and Patron".

This goes a long way to explaining why it says that other gak in the new Space Marines Codex.

And the Primogenitor chapters were the first to be divided from the Ultramarines during the 2nd founding.

By Primogenitor chapters, I'm guessing you mean Novamarines, Sons of Orar, and the like? Never heard the term before.

Well, based on that, it would make sense for Primogenitor chapters to venerate Gulliman, seeing that he's their Primarch. But it would make no sense for, say, an Imperial Fist to revere Gulliman over an equally unrelated primarch, like Russ. Both are great heroes of the Imperium, and I'm sure those without beef attached, for example, maybe, an Iron Hand, would respect both of them. But one would expect that he'd have more pride in being an Iron Hand, decended from his own primarch, than he'd have a desire to emulate the Ultramarines that he has little relationship to beyond them both being space marines.

Primogenitor means "First Born". They were the first born chapters of the second founding. And it specifically refers to the ones that came from only the Ultramarines.

I don't own the current Space Marine codex but I believe what it says is also only referring to any chapter of Space Marines that came from the Ultramarines. I don't remember it saying every single chapter of space marines wishes they were an Ultramarine.

If not directly stated, it's at least heavily implied. I'll read off a few passages for you.

It could be said that there are three categories of Space Marine Chapters. The first ansd largest group could perhapse be called the scions of Guilliman - those Chapters directly decended from the Ultramarines and their Primogenitors... ...Such chapters follow the Codex Astartes with as much passion and dedication as the Ultramarines, viewing it's dictates as tactical doctrine and spiritual guidance in equal measure.

Chapters in the second category are disciples who owe their genetic heritage to another Primarch, but follow the Codex Astartes as keenly as their divergent heritage allows... ...Notably the Imperial Fists, White Scars, and Raven Guard. These Chapters can never be Ultramarines, for their gene-seed is not that of Roboute Guilliman. Nevertheless, they will ever aspire to the standards and teachings of the great Primarch.

The third and final grop are abberants; Chapters who, through quirk of gene-seed, mutation, or stubbornness, eschew the Codex Astartes in favour of other structural and combat doctrines. Some, such as the Blood Angels, strive to be worthy of Guilliman's legacy, but their recalcitrant gene-seed drives them ever further from it. Others, such as the Space Wolves and Black Templars, remain stubbornly independent, looking to their own founder's ways if war and caring little how they fair in the eyes of others. These abberant Chapters were always few in number and their presence diminishes further with each passing decade, for their gene-seed is no longer the source of fresh Chapters. Such divergences play little part in this volume, for this is the tale of the Ultramarines, and all those who follow their example.

This is all quoted directly from page 24, sadly.

My rules :


My fluff:


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mixed.

Ilove40k wrote:My rules :


My fluff:


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mixed.

So that's fifth edition rules with fourth/third edition fluff?

1) MECHANICUM not adeptus mechanicus has been corrupted by the void dragon after being released by dalia and their technological inovation will slowly increase because of the void dragons powers leaking out.

2) Tau were from a different galaxy, the ethereals were the tyrant class in that galaxy and after being deposed by the other tau took a small group of other tau with them to this galaxy.

3) Humans who join the tau empire get the same rights as normal tau.

4) guardsmen are elite compared to normal militaries but its just the simple fact that they need to fight the strongest races in the universe where they get difficulties.
Come one guardsmen are recruited from the veterans of PDF's.

5) tzeentch had it all planned all along

6) magnus was a good guy the intervention of multiple factors forced him to go to the eye of terror where he in truth still is a good guy

7) Female tau have boobs. Yes i said it, i mean tau are almost anatomically identical to humans and then you say tau females don't have boobs i just don't agree.

A lot of the stuff called fanon here IIRC is actually cannon:

"Good" Guardsmen are numerous, rather than the human wave tactics GW insists are the norm.

Marines don't worship the Emperor, they see him as more of a father, though I'm not sure if I've drawn that from the HH rather than 40K fluff.

Personally, whatever Tadashi said about the Thousand sons and Blood Raven's loyalty is in my fanon. I know we have similar views. SW will soon be purged by a joint effort from Blood Ravens/ Thousand sons, Dark Angels and Inquisition. Russ reveals himself on the Fang at the climax of the battle as a Daemon Primarch, and is ultimately destroyed in combat by Belial, proving he can be useful, but only after the brave and noble sacrifice of over 100 marines, a large amount from the Grey Knights. This leads me onto...

GK are not that rare. But they're not that good either - greater daemons and the like need specialist training to banish, like lesser daemons can only be banished by those trained in lesser banishing arts, which is some Inquisitors, banishers, Grey Knight Battle brothers and some Space marine Librarians, chaplains and Chapter masters. (might have missed out a few entries here.) This isn't to say others cannot triumph over them, but they will come back. Improperly banishing a greater daemon in this manner will cause you to lose some of yourself though. Banishing a Daemon means it's gone for GOOD, except in the really big cases (Daemon primarchs+)

So, this means Draigo didn't just walk in and kick ass. He would have lost a large part of himself in the process, and been unable to fight ever again.

Is it me or does alot of this fannon stink of tinfoil hats?

This thread is about additions or deviations from the studio material? In that case I'll throw in the stuff I have adopted from various novels as well as the things I've just come up with by myself. It's mostly SoBstuff, though there are a few other points in there as well.
In short, my own personal version of the 41st millennium is about 99% GW, but with the following changes:

Fluff from outsourced/licensed publications

From: Faith & Fire
In lieu of a uniform currency, Imperial troops and officials are offered scrip, which by law has to be accepted by any and all merchants or service providers throughout Imperial space. Imperial scrip can be exchanged for local currency at the local Adeptus Terra embassy, provided you bring sufficient time to stand the queues and actually get through to the bureaucrats.

From: Daemonblood
The Sisters' suits of powered armour include a drug dispenser capable of automatically injecting potent painkillers into the wearer's system if she receives heavy injury, making it easier for her to continue fighting.

From: Daemonifuge
Deceased Battle Sisters are buried together with their armour, minus the helmet and backpack.

From: Dark Heresy Inquisitor's Handbook
The rank and title of Legatine are added to the Sisters' hierarchy, adding an optional level of command between the Sisters Superior and the Palatines/Canonesses.

From: Dawn of War, Imperial Armour II, Hammer & Anvil
Some Orders of the Sisterhood utilise Lightning fighter crafts, Repressor APCs and modified Tauros Venator rapid assault vehicles.

From: Faith & Fire
The Sisters' helmets incorporate optional preysight - a thermographic vision mode to neutralize smoke or fog and better detect hidden enemies.

From: The Invitation, Dark Millennium
The former Sister Superior Miriael Sabathiel is the one Sororitas who has been turned to the worship of Chaos - a closely guarded secret and reason for a massive manhunt by the hands of her Order. Miriael has become a Champion of Slaanesh and leads her own personal "crusade" force in the Pyrus Reach sector. She personally commands an Inferno-class battleship and has a bodyguard of Emperor's Children CSM Terminators as well as a host of Daemonettes in her retinue.
Other "Chaos Sisters" may exist, but are merely the result of madness or possession, and thus not nearly as dangerous as Miriael.

Personal Additions

5E Retcons ignored:
Being made a Repentia is still a one-way ticket. There is no such thing as a chance to return to the unit, there is only salvation through martyrdom.
Canoness Praxedes is still listed as Missing in Action rather than confirmed killed, and the myth of her ongoing fight still a popular legend amongst the Sisters.
The Deathwatch still exists and continues to operate under stewardship of the Ordo Xenos. All Inquisitors now being able to call in the Grey Knights happens on top of this.
The Treaty of Nephilim between the Adepta Sororitas and the Ordo Hereticus remains in effect as well. All Inquisitors now being able to call in the Grey Knights happens on top of this.

Additional Interpretations:
Space Marines are not only infertile, but have their redundant genitalia removed for improved interfacing with their armour's waste recycler. (*dons asbestos suit* )
Grey Knights are not inherently 100% incorruptible ("only" 99%), but know of forbidden rituals (requiring human sacrifice) that can temporarily render them so.
Living Saints are actually benign warp spirits created by the concentrated hopes and dread of the faithful in times of crisis, possessing one of the most zealous as they manifest.

TermiesInARaider wrote:

Ilove40k wrote:My rules :


My fluff:


and



mixed.

So that's fifth edition rules with fourth/third edition fluff?

yup and the eye of terror campaign is still not over !

(1) Humanity Was An Unpleasant Surprise: No "old ones" or warp entities engineered humanity. Humanity is purely the result of random genetic mutations on a backwater world. The rise of the Imperium has been a complete shock for every other race in the galaxy, most especially the Craftworld Eldar and (more recently) the Necrons. The dominance of the Imperium has devastated the cultural morale of the Eldar and the Necrons. In a dim, instinctual way, even the Orks fear and loathe humanity in the way that humanity has come to fear and loathe the Tyranids.

(2) The Emperor Was Truly A Man: Yes, he was the greatest psyker to ever be born but he was indeed born a mortal man. His eventual apotheosis has been to the Ruinous Powers what the rise of his Imperium was to the older races of the galaxy: a disastrous shock undermining all their assumptions. Never before in the history of the universe have the powers of the Immaterium been so focused on the Materium -- because no denizen of the Materium has ever before been an existential threat to them. How a "mere animal" like the Emperor was able to achieve so much in the blink of an eye, and then successfully trick them (see below), is unfathomable to them. The Changer of Ways itself is baffled by this, to its endless fury.

(3) The Emperor Planned the Horus Heresy: In order to create the Primarchs, the Emperor struck a bargain with the Ruinous Powers. This is why they vanished and why fully half of them eventually rebelled. The Emperor knew that his Imperium could only sustain itself if it was guided by a god and unified by faith in that god (the collapse of the ancient Terran and Martian galactic empires is proof of this). Knowing the Four would do everything in their power to prevent this, the Emperor tricked them by siring twenty "sons" who would seemingly enact his power. In effect, these sons were a smokescreen -- a distraction used by the Emperor to disguise his real plan: ascension to godhood. While the Chaos Gods temporarily allied to focus on Horus, the Emperor seized divinity.

(4) The Emperor Actually Does Protect: The Emperor is now in fact a god (at least in the sense that the Ruinous Powers are gods; moreover, actually transcending their abilities by being fully effective in both the Materium and Immaterium) and his vast consciousness is what keeps the Imperium working semi-coherently. The fact that it is only semi-coherent is a testament to the scale of the Imperium rather than to the limitations of his deific will. Praying to the Emperor is at least as effective, if not moreso, than praying to the Ruinous Powers. This also explains the phenomenon of Living Saints.

(5) Monodominant Purtanism Is "Correct": The rationalistic utopia envisioned by the pre-heresy idealists has always been impossible. The apotheosis of the Emperor, which was the direct result of the Heresy, was the real goal of the Great Crusade. The ultimate conclusion of the Emperor's plan is the extermination or at least absolute subjugation of all non-human life (including warp entities). Basically, mankind will either achieve this or perish completely. The Imperium cannot merely survive as "survival" is just a prelude to extinction.

(6) The Faithful Know The Truth: The Sisters of Battle are the only widespread faction in the Imperium that has fully accurate knowledge of the above. Ironically, they do not consider it a secret and preach it openly. Only a lack of faith prevents haughty Chapter Masters and radical Inquisitor Lords from understanding that the Sisters are telling the truth in their sermons. Pious Guardsmen and the devout adepts of the Administratum and Mechanicum also "know" the truth, although they know as an article of faith. Even Sebatsian Thor himself was just a man who had the courage to actually believe what the Ecclesiarchy claimed about the Emperor. The saying "blessed is the mind too small for doubt" is a factual statement about the hubris that holds the Imperium back from ultimately stamping out its enemies. As a result, the greatest threat faced by the Imperium is the arrogant disbelief of mankind's leaders.

(7) The Space Marines Are Wrong About Everything: Far from preserving a factual account of the Emperor based on their pre-Heresy experience of him and the Primarchs, the Space Marines are actually the most self-deluded of all mankind. They persist in the error that the Emperor was just a "great man" in order to maintain the myths of their Primarchs (and thus themselves) as his greatest achievement. As explained above, the Primarchs were actually just a diversion. Many of the loyalist Primarchs, and a few of the traitors, realized this after the Heresy. The one who struggled with it the most was Rogal Dorn, who nearly fell to Chaos (like how Lorgar actually did fall) upon learning the truth. His "penance" was the endless crusade of the Black Templars who basically worship the Emperor as a god. The one who most completely accepted the truth was Roboute Guilliman, who devised the Codex Astartes to put the Space Marines in their proper place: namely as tiny assault forces that are ultimately unimportant against the sheer scale of the Imperium.

Tadashi wrote:1) The Emperor is not a corpse on a Throne. He is merely unconscious (as a result of going beyond the limits of His body when He destroyed Horus), and His injuries have since been patched up with cybernetics, and as such looks as much as He did back during the Great Crusade.
2) No psykers are sacrificed to the Throne at all, though they still power the Astronomican.
3) There are only three Ordos in the Inquisition, no radicals, and the Grey Knights are as they used to be (as in no Khornate Knights, no mind-wipes and other Wardian gak) and are now legion strength. Deathwatch continues to serve the Ordo Xenos, and Holy Sisters for the Ordo Hereticus.
4) No technological regression - the Imperium has not forgotten how to make anything - rather, they have improved (but not innovated) existing technologies, put into production recovered Golden Age of Technology data, and make a conscious effort to reverse-engineer alien technology (with mixed success).
5) The creation of Space Marines is less 'wasteful' in terms of neophytes lost, but just as successful. The Imperial Guard are also more professional - while they still depend on heavy armor/vehicles and large numbers, they're not used as Human bullets - and more trusted (as in they don't get bombed from orbit for fighting Chaos).
6) Sisters of Silence still man the Black Ships.
7) The Illuminati exist as a secret even from the Imperium at large, but serve the Emperor by seeking the means to restore Him back to full consciousness.
8) Magnus did not join Horus, rather, after the Burning of Prospero, he and his legion simply isolated themselves on the Planet of the Sorcerers and have never taken part in any Black Crusade. The Rubric still happened, and Ahriman is still banished.
9) The Swarmlord does not exist.
10) No Phoenix Lords.
11) The Dark Eldar are as they used to be.
12) Oldcrons.

Why no swarmlord or Phoenix Lords, out of curiosity?

I'm fine with most of the fluff.

My fannon is prob just oldcrons and abaddon failing so much... The crusade is a front designed to test the current strength of the imperium, while he prepares something else...


Von Chogg

Von Chogg wrote:
Why no swarmlord or Phoenix Lords, out of curiosity?

The concept of the Hive Mind being embodied in the form of a single creature seems wrong to me for some reason. They all think as one, so there's really no need for a true individual among them.

Phoenix Lords simply because, well, I can't really make them fit. The exarchs are each supposed to be priests of Khaine AFAIK, kinda like Harlequins, hold-overs from the ancient Eldar Empire, so what's the point of the Phoenix Lords?

Grey knights are 30 to 60 corrupt, but no one in the IoM would ever admit that.

The little antennas on the side of tau helmets are neurointerface devices.

Tadashi wrote:

Von Chogg wrote:
Why no swarmlord or Phoenix Lords, out of curiosity?

The concept of the Hive Mind being embodied in the form of a single creature seems wrong to me for some reason. They all think as one, so there's really no need for a true individual among them.

Phoenix Lords simply because, well, I can't really make them fit. The exarchs are each supposed to be priests of Khaine AFAIK, kinda like Harlequins, hold-overs from the ancient Eldar Empire, so what's the point of the Phoenix Lords?

Fair enough on the swarmlord, heh.

As to the PLs, they created the path of the Eldar that all craftworld eldar now follow, along with the paths of the warrior. Think of em as primarchs, and the different aspects as legions, to put it in a bit of perspective


Von Chogg

99% of all Astartes are Ultramarines and their successors. Even non-smurffs needed blue gene-seed after the heresy to replace their numbers.

Marines cannot have children.

Marines can not be female... thats what SoB are for.

C'Tan are star gods who do not involve themselves in the goings on of the mortal races.

Tau females do not have boobs.

Grey Knights are the loyalist chaos cultists in the Imperium. They use the dark side of the force for good purposes... like the Witches of Dathomer from Star Wars.

There are only 500 Grey Knights at any one tme.

Grey Knights fight only DAEMONS! not cultist, Astartes or anything else. Just Daemons.

Necrons are mindless robots.

Tyranids are a secret weapon of the Slaan. They plan on Tyranids being a "reset" button for life.

Eldar are near extinct and have given up their attempts at rebuilding their race.

Tadashi wrote:

Von Chogg wrote:
Why no swarmlord or Phoenix Lords, out of curiosity?

The concept of the Hive Mind being embodied in the form of a single creature seems wrong to me for some reason. They all think as one, so there's really no need for a true individual among them.

Phoenix Lords simply because, well, I can't really make them fit. The exarchs are each supposed to be priests of Khaine AFAIK, kinda like Harlequins, hold-overs from the ancient Eldar Empire, so what's the point of the Phoenix Lords?

I personally think the Swarmlord is just a higher breed of Hive Tyrant crapped out whenever the Hive Mind wants a tactical genius on the field who can wreck face in melee to a greater degree than a normal hive tyrant, but the situation does not yet call for a dominatrice. It's just that nobody wants to admit that they're being outwitted by a mere breed of hive tyrants and thus made the whole story of "super special snowflake" up.

And the Phoenix Lords are probably like...Khaine's popes...

Farsight and Shadowsun:
At one point before Farsight's treachery, the two were forced to spend a lots of time together. The Etherals wanted to breed the best commander, and they tought that mating Farsight and Shadowsun is an excellent way to achieve this. They were terribly wrong, the project was a complete disaster, Farsight and Shadowsun had the most wild and unhealthy relationship a Tau can imagine, and even while Farsight successfuly impregnated Shadowsun, the later turned out to be a rather irresponsible mother and miscarried (it was actually pretty unclear). The deep "hatred" between the two commanders is the product of this story.

The Chaos Gods:
The time of the Big Four is close to the end. Dire events are looming on the horizon, and while these events will shake the material universe with a terrible force, the real victim will be the Dark Gods themselves. The return of the Outcast God and the rise of the Devourer of Hope are nigh, and according to the ancient laws of the Eternal Game, there could be only four...

Tyranids:
They are from another galaxy what was completely annihillated by some sort of galaxy-scaled disaster. The Tyranids are the only survivors, and they simply running away from this disaster. This huge race for survival actually turned them insane, and now they are little more than an unstoppable tide with a single goal: "RUN!". Oh, and riginally, they were a combination of many-many races of that galaxy, under the coordination of a "supercomputer", the Hive Mind. But their escape turned out to be somewhat slow (slower than the calculations of the Hive Mind), and the HM took control over the whole bunch and turned them into Tyranids.

Necrons:
They are totally cool. But really. They are a bit unsure about what to do now, but until someone figures it out, they play Games of Thrones in HARDCORE mode.

Sanguinus:
Boy had a "lucky" night with a very special girl back in the good ol' days. But oh no! This was a masterplan of Papa Smurf himself, who wanted to "secure the loyality" of our Angel Boy! Neverthless, Papa Smurf threw the girl into a statis prison for future use, but before he could do anything with her, he was taken out. The irony is that the girl carries Angel Boy's pure genetic code from that night, so she is a human packed cure for the Blood Angels' madness.

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The Four Are All: There are no other Chaos gods than Slaanesh, Nurgle, Khorne, and Tzeentch. There are powerful warp entities beyond their control but these entities are not nearly so influential as the four Ruinous Powers. For example, only the Four are effective to any degree beyond the Immaterium.

The Four Are One: The reason that the Four are so powerful is because they are simply the Warp itself. The Warp is conscious, although this is neither a gestalt nor unified phenomenon. Instead, the consciousness of the Warp manifests infinitely along a "spectrum" that can be broadly, almost uselessly, categorized into four "wavelengths." Their number is four because the spectrum is actually circular and so can neither be unbalanced nor balanced. The Great Game is simply the churning schizophrenia that most basically characterizes the "mind" of the Warp.

Ooooh, this thread is pretty cool. Anyway, I have somethings I think are fannon, but I'm not sure.
First of all, I don't consider Kaldor Draigo to be as pwnawesome as in the Grey Knights codex, heck, I don't consider much of what Matt writes as canon, which may be why he doesn't rile me up that much!
I also don't consider the Ultramarines to be that much mary sues, I think of them as a great chapter, but on equal ground as other first founding chapters.
Also, I like the idea of, each Chaos Daemon killed, reduces the power of that God's, power, but each soul the Daemon kills and worship/sacrifice increases the god's power.
I don't think of the chapters that don't follow the Codex astartes as dwindling.... WAAAARD

The Hive Mind Isn't A "Person"

The tyranid "hive mind" is a phenomenon of socio-biology rather than an agency in itself. More complex tyranid lifeforms are capable of more sophisticated thought processes, which they can psychically impress upon less complex lifeforms at a certain range. When more and less complex life forms act in concert, this is called "hive mind." The "hive mind" is therefore not a separate entity and there is no unified agency (separate from the "chain of command" psychic-links) behind tyranid activity at a specific or global scale. Conglomerates of psychically-linked (and thus also closely genetically related) tyranid lifeforms are called "hive fleets." The identity of a "hive fleet" is a matter of psycho-biology. Hive fleets of significantly similar psycho-biology will cooperate while those of significantly different psycho-biology will invariably come into conflict.