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I'm pretty sure the tourney scene will embrace whatever the "power" terrain is if TOs allow it.

IF none of it is worthwhile in sportshammer they will continue to play with the sparse tables we see now...

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The ally rule helps combat some of the flier rules since some armies do not have a flier. Same with fortifications.../shrug

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Blackmoor wrote:My guess is that every TO will allow terrain and allies since it is part of 6th edition.

Allies were a part of every edition since 2nd... and most tournaments didn't allow them.

 
   
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Can't imagine TO's blocking allies and terrain if it's expressly allowed. Kind of hilarious the BS that gets unlocked as a result.

The terrain thing is HUGE though, Tau with always available blocking LOS walls/buildings so JSJ is doable in every single game? Massive!

The Terminators + LR dedicated transport will probably help them too....
   
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Voodoo Boyz wrote:The terrain thing is HUGE though, Tau with always available blocking LOS walls/buildings so JSJ is doable in every single game? Massive!
Generalized/Some Cover Saves being reduced to 5+ also gives tau a boost out of the toilet. MarkerLights/PathFinders gaining traction!

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Meh, cover going to 5+ cuts both ways. Disruption Pods don't protect as much as before.

Of course its a bigger hit for DE, Orks, and other armies that rely on cover.

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Grey Templar wrote:Meh, cover going to 5+ cuts both ways. Disruption Pods don't protect as much as before.

Of course its a bigger hit for DE, Orks, and other armies that rely on cover.


I've seen so many flicker fields make their saves, i'm still alright with only a 5+ cover on my devilfish/hammerheads.

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Voodoo Boyz wrote:Can't imagine TO's blocking allies and terrain if it's expressly allowed.

Again, they did in previous editions, so why should 6th be any different?

 
   
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tetrisphreak wrote:
Tangent wrote:So, am I hearing this right? There is talk that the new rules allows players to pay points in order to be able to include specific pieces of terrain?


Yeah they've added a "fortifications" slot to the FOC (0-1). Aegis defense lines are cheap (stated in white dwarf to be 45 points, with a lascannon it bumped to 65 points), all the way up to a Fortress of Redemption (which was listed at being 220 points, but that's probably before weapon upgrades).


Wow. I really hope it's balanced...? I feel stupid for even thinking that.

How is that supposed to be regulated? You can make your own terrain, call it an Aegis, and then pay 45 points for it? Terrain is too varied for this to work, right?


Hopefully they spell out dimensions. In WFB, the folding tower has a description for what it looks like (Use the Watchtower they sell, or a building the same size.)

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Also in WFB, lots of tournies do not use the "mysterious" effects, although mikhaila and Adepticon both used them for forests at least.

And they ban the folding fortress usually, too

Not using the terrain rules is usually because it's a hassle, and the fortress because it can be a broken item to take. If allies, purchasing terrain, and/or random terrain rules are streamlined and balanced, they'll get used. Otherwise, they'll be "house ruled" for tournies like the fantasy items are at times.
   
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Like has been echoed, it really depends on how well GW has thought out their strategy for integrating new elements into 6th edition. If they did it for the sake of selling more models and terrain kits, they'll be sorely disappointed because a broken system is still a broken system. People will not play a broken system that was obviously a money grab.

Independent tourneys and play groups will outright ignore the rules that make no sense or give an overwhelming advantage to those who can afford the new shiny toys. Remember- adding more FOC slots and terrain slots costs money and time to invest and if they make the game horribly imbalanced, then they will not be used or worse, alienate even more players from the fan base.

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I'd imagine there will be two types of tourneys; using terrain/allies and not.

Why don't we just call the terrain/allies tourneys.....Ard Boyz? GW stopped it, local TOs can bring it back.

This gives credence to those on both sides of the fence.

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insaniak wrote:
Blackmoor wrote:My guess is that every TO will allow terrain and allies since it is part of 6th edition.

Allies were a part of every edition since 2nd... and most tournaments didn't allow them.


Maybe down under where comp was the rule, but not in the states.

Edit: Almost all tournaments in the US all followed GWs rules at their GTs and they allowed them.

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Yup, Comp is not something we generally have and when we do its relativly light. With Fantesy its generally 2 magic items + SCs that get banned. Alternativly you simply get a Comp rating and face off against similer lists for the first game, so a guts-out mean list will face other mean lists first.

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WarOne wrote:Like has been echoed, it really depends on how well GW has thought out their strategy for integrating new elements into 6th edition. If they did it for the sake of selling more models and terrain kits, they'll be sorely disappointed because a broken system is still a broken system. People will not play a broken system that was obviously a money grab.

Independent tourneys and play groups will outright ignore the rules that make no sense or give an overwhelming advantage to those who can afford the new shiny toys. Remember- adding more FOC slots and terrain slots costs money and time to invest and if they make the game horribly imbalanced, then they will not be used or worse, alienate even more players from the fan base.


Granted, but those who may not use the new rules for terrain might be the minority. I have already seen a serge in demand for bastion kits, and the prices for them on ebay have gone up by like 15-20$.

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Spartan089 wrote:
WarOne wrote:Like has been echoed, it really depends on how well GW has thought out their strategy for integrating new elements into 6th edition. If they did it for the sake of selling more models and terrain kits, they'll be sorely disappointed because a broken system is still a broken system. People will not play a broken system that was obviously a money grab.

Independent tourneys and play groups will outright ignore the rules that make no sense or give an overwhelming advantage to those who can afford the new shiny toys. Remember- adding more FOC slots and terrain slots costs money and time to invest and if they make the game horribly imbalanced, then they will not be used or worse, alienate even more players from the fan base.


Granted, but those who may not use the new rules for terrain might be the minority. I have already seen a serge in demand for bastion kits, and the prices for them on ebay have gone up by like 15-20$.


I think GW has then accomplished its mission of increasing sales revenue.

Not let us see when the book comes out if the increased spending is justified by good rules.

   
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My take on all of this as a TO is that there is a LOT of optional rules in the back of the rulebook. No one uses them really yet GW has used them in battle reports before.

Allies and terrain could fall under the optional rules section that usually has the wackier ideas.

If not, then personally I will probably allow some form of Allies and terrain with strict regulations that is consistent with competitive play.

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I could see tournaments altering the allies matrix to be more balanced if need be. Maybe give Nids the option of IG allies(Genesneakers )

Or maybe Double's Tournaments will change to be only what can ally with what. So no more silly Eldar/Cron teams

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For AdeptiCon, it certainly is not our first rodeo. We have changed editions before and we will change editions again.

Hardly a year goes by anymore without some game system changing editions these days.

For the community things tend to shake out in time. In a few more days we will all have the rules and can start that process.




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WarOne wrote:People will not play a broken system that was obviously a money grab.
I'm afraid I cannot agree, seeing the success that the game still enjoys.
   
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Hyd wrote:
WarOne wrote:People will not play a broken system that was obviously a money grab.
I'm afraid I cannot agree, seeing the success that the game still enjoys.


6th edition isn't out so how are they "still enjoying" success after the alleged money grab that hasn't even happened yet? Or are you suggesting that 5th edition, which is almost universally hailed as the best version of the game by a huge margin, was broken?
   
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Allies perhaps but I can't see tournament organisers who want the terrain on the tables to be the same every game allowing players to rearrange it every game

 
   
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Simo429 wrote:Allies perhaps but I can't see tournament organisers who want the terrain on the tables to be the same every game allowing players to rearrange it every game


Who said players would get to re-arrange terrain set up by the store? Fortifications allow you to bring 1 piece of terrain but it still has to fit on the pre-made table within constraints already given.

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As the rulebook still hasn't been released yet, any discussion on this matter will naturally revolve around the partial rules snippets available and rumor and therefore is not a discussion about the actual game, but speculation (even if one poster does claim to have access to the rules, the other people discussing it do not).

As we really don't want discussion about the same topic spread across separate forums for no reason I'm going to lock this thread now until the rulebook has been released.

At that point you can either just start a new thread on the topic (probably the best bet) or PM me to have this thread unlocked.


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