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You brought the same argument in another thread, and you were shown to be wrong. GW does not agree with you. You can have your own interpretation of what the Warp/Chaos is, but your interpretation is not shared by GW.

I'm not questioning it, but where does it say that Gork and Mork are more powerful than the Chaos Gods? My friend always says that but I've never gotten any word on a source or anything.

This is a simple one:
Humans are gullible, stupid and power hungry. In other words, they are ripe for chaos to pick. Not too coincidentally, the human population is probably to blame for most of chaos' current power.

Orks just want a good fight and can find that on their own. Never mind that the ork psyche is powerful enough that when they believe something it just happens. ( power of Red paint, etc)

Necrons gave up their souls a long time ago and there isn't anything chaos can offer them.

The eldar ( both kinds ) are extremely aware of the chaos gods and actively fight against them. They know their souls are sold to slaanesh, and actively fight to stave off death.

Tyranids: they are mostly mindless automatons that eat things. Out of the ones that can "think" the hive mind is so powerful that chaos would first have to destroy that and then they could control some nids.

Tau: I'm sure these guys are just as naive as the humans but haven't developed psychic powers and thus have no warp presence.

At the end of the day, humans are the biggest target because there are so many of them in combination with a fairly high percentage of psykers.

This covers the major races. There are certainly references to minor ones being tainted by chaos, but their impact has been pretty minor. Excepting, of course, the blade that pierced Horus. Can't remember where that came from.

My thing with the Tau is how utterly resistant to the Warp they are. The Tau have no psykers by the usual definition, are resistant to Chaos' mutating effects, and have little to no psychic presence. Between that and their disuse of the Warp in travel, and they basically don't even show up on Chaos' radar.

Unless something's changed, the Tau are basically incorruptible simply because they have no Warp connection.

the old demonhunters book had rules to make anything a possessed or daemon allied army a warboss hosting a bloodthirster was fun, remember the most important bit of gwfluff there every was "It's a big universe and anything can happen"

go wild!

Justus wrote:I'm not questioning it, but where does it say that Gork and Mork are more powerful than the Chaos Gods? My friend always says that but I've never gotten any word on a source or anything.

The Ork codex. The entry says Gork and Mork laugh off the attacks of the other gods and then B***slap them back down where they belong. They don't win just because they like a good fight and want to keep fighting.


Gork and Mork's strength is proportional to the Ork race's numbers. Orks are the only race that is confirmed to be in multiple galaxies(Imperial Probe) and are the most numerous in the Milky Way.

Hence, Gork and Mork are undefeatable. They just choose not to win because it would end the fighting.

Orks and khorne, most of the reasoning seems to be that they care not for worship.....

Neither does khorne?? He doesn't care were the blood comes from, or if you are doing it FOR him.You don't need to worship khorne or even care about him to gain his favour.

If your killy he likes it... hence he likes orks!

or so far as i understand?

0.o There are plenty of chaos aligned alien races, but the game's fluff is focused on the races, like the Eldar or Tau. It'd be nice to see alien mercenary units in the next Chaos codex (some xenos don't particularly care that their employers are cultists, just that they get paid-ie Dark Eldar do it often enough in the fluff), but representing them as actual models requires effort as it means that the company has to design a new race. Humanity are the big wigs of the galaxy, so most of the attention is on them, but there's plenty of lesser races that follow x or y creeds, so just because they aren't mentioned often enough (look up lexicanum, lesser races....), doesn't mean that they don't exist.

Actually I've been pondering including a xenos chaotic champion as part of my extended Chaos Space Marine force, ie alongside cultists, Dark Mechanicus, Tratior Guard, and some alien mercenaries. The allies rules really make it easy to represent them, even if it isn't using one of the conventional races like the Dark Eldar (ie using Guard or Tau and just sculpting some models, the untrustworthy allies rules represent them as being mercenaries....or just that their way of thinking is so alien to humans). =/

Grey Templar wrote:

Justus wrote:I'm not questioning it, but where does it say that Gork and Mork are more powerful than the Chaos Gods? My friend always says that but I've never gotten any word on a source or anything.

The Ork codex. The entry says Gork and Mork laugh off the attacks of the other gods and then B***slap them back down where they belong. They don't win just because they like a good fight and want to keep fighting.


Gork and Mork's strength is proportional to the Ork race's numbers. Orks are the only race that is confirmed to be in multiple galaxies(Imperial Probe) and are the most numerous in the Milky Way.

Hence, Gork and Mork are undefeatable. They just choose not to win because it would end the fighting.

As a hardcore Chaos player that just makes me feel even more melancholic about my faction... Space Marines and Grey Knights have better toys and Orks have better gods. Are we even a threat anymore? (That's rhetorical.)

While that may be rhetorical, I say yes.

We are the enemy within, like a disease we slowly spread....

lets see from memory

Khorne orks existed at one point, we have a pic of nurgle orks too, slaanesh offers nothing to orks i feel and tzeench probably uses them like anyone else, but they dont worship her.

Imperial... yeah

Tau, we had a possessed (unwilingly) Etherial, that is the 1 and only example i have noticed, and the theory that O'shovah may have a deamon weapon possibly, now chaos (god knows why people keep saying this) CAN corrupt Tau, they can corrupt ANY sentient being its all about finding the right angle, do they do it? no because on a galactic scale Tau are absolutely no threat.... yet.

Eldar: Yes these guys can and do fall to chaos, its extremely rare however mainly due to the paths that eldar follow and the extreme fear the Deldar have of slaanesh, when i remember which book it is i will give an example of an Eldar (species) Deamon prince

Nids: cannot be corrupted in the "classic" sense, but are succeptable to the mutating force of chaos, we have a iron warrior hive ship, multitudes of mutated genestealers and chaos worshiping (thats right) genestealer cultists.

GK. again any sentient race can be corrupted.. just hasnt happened... yet

Necrons: now this one is the most tricky, could a cron overlord get corrupted... its hard, while they are sentient im going to have to say... not yet or not that we have been told, the crons (unlike the tau) do not have ANY warp pressence.

to be turned to chaos you need a soul.
Necrons have no soul so they can't be corrupted

Formosa wrote:lets see from memory

Khorne orks existed at one point, we have a pic of nurgle orks too, slaanesh offers nothing to orks i feel and tzeench probably uses them like anyone else, but they dont worship her.

Khorne stormboyz were certainly part of the old fluff, Khorne doesn't really appeal to most orks though as he's too stuffy and uptight and serious.

Slaanesh would certainly appeal to Kult of Speed orks who get addicted to sensations of speed and noise...

Matt.Kingsley wrote:to be turned to chaos you need a soul.
Necrons have no soul so they can't be corrupted

Crons have souls, just not in the conventional sense otherwise where would all the calculaters go (robot heaven, cookie for reference), but kokes aside, we know the cron Bodies are corruptable but are there minds (well yes they are.. happens often infact) corruptable by chaos... not enough info i feel, im gonna say its "possible" in the same way GK could "possibly" be corrupted, it just has not happened and isnt likely to either

Formosa, could you give an example? You sa it happens often but I have never heard of crons being corrupted by chaos.

I think he means - they have physical bodies so they can be physcially corrupted - and if they have an interlect as well they are not invulnerable - in the same way as Machine Spirits like those in Titans can be corrupted ??

I would go along with that......

Ok, I suppose that is possible...

but:

Crons have souls

the C'Tan ate their souls, and the codex SAYS they are soulless

Because they in a way are a mirror of the Imperium a much more chaotic reflection but in the end at the heart they are xenophobes atleast thats how i see it.

Oi
I ben cross dis oonivers an back, an I can tell ya dat Gork an Mork is da strongest. Why? Dey is da Biggest an Greenest. Dats da roolz. If you dont get it, it probably cause you iz squishy an pink.

Itz true dat Nergul is big an green. He aint no propa green. I fink he iz a zit on Gorks (or possibly Morks) arse and all is buddies iz da boogerz an toejamz. You can kiss dat if ya want, but I aint worshipin it.

Now, Corn iz a right propa thinkin lad. Chop dis, smash dat. Maybe he should spend time wif Gork an Mork to learn how to really do krumpin. Plus hez red, so you would have to worship him extra fast.

Dis one time I seez dis birdheaded weirboy. Made me larff. He sayz that Zench sayz I iz goin to take ova da ooniverse. I sayz o course, cause I am da biggest. Then he starts on des plans and ideas dat made my thinkybits hurt. So I punched im in da beek till he stops talkin. Didnt even fight back.

Unova time, we wuz fightin dez beakies dat made a right propa racket. Dis cowhead come up an sayz to me dat if I stop fightin hed give me whateva I wanted. Dat didnt make no sense. SO i decided what I wanted was his cowhead. I took it an put it on da hood of my trukk. Dey was good sport, till de ladz an I figered dat dey liked gettin krumped. We still did it, but it wasnt as fun.

Da pointyears must also be in on da kaos. I seen dis big pointyear on fire once. Normally dey run away, dis time the bigun must have been whiperin in da great green to dem, cause dey fought like propa orkses. Dey still dies like pointy ears cause dey all are panzies, but made for a much better scrap. It woz even betta when Kreznit an hiz burna boyz woz talking about how tough dey are. Dey go runnin after de firepanzie an da look on dere faces when dey fired at him made me larff for a week.

Ommies iz always yellin dere gods name "For da Emprah". Now ol' For dey say is an ol brainboy dat neva gets outa his chair. How you goin to keep da ladz in line if youz neva get out of your chair? All you need to not get krumped iz to stand a bit away from da chair. Stoopid oomies. Maybe all da oomies hatz are wired to a button on da chair and he pushes it an sayz Oi you lot, get movin or Im goin to get up. Dats a pretty good idea. Id like to meet For an see if dats true. Must be a comfy chair.

Everyone follows chaos. Maybe not knowingly, but anyone who kills, gets angry, or uses an army feeds Khorne, anyone who gets sick and spreads the illness feeds Nurgle, anyone who makes a plan or plot feeds Tzeentch, and anyone who induces popularity or self-pleasures or self-harms feeds Slaanesh.

I really don't see the problem here.

Also, Orkses feed the ork gods, and eldars feed the eldar gods, assuming they exist somewhere in the 40k universe.

Wrakkar wrote:... or self-pleasures or self-harms feeds Slaanesh.

I really don't see the problem here.

Whoops, my souls screwed then

Clumpski wrote:

Wrakkar wrote:... or self-pleasures or self-harms feeds Slaanesh.

I really don't see the problem here.

Whoops, my souls screwed then

Lol

In Fulgrim there is a race of Slaanesh worshiping aliens (they look like the Sslyth from the DE range). They're called the Laer (I think) and it's an artifact that Fulgrim finds while conquering them which turns him to Chaos.

King Pariah wrote:Formosa, could you give an example? You sa it happens often but I have never heard of crons being corrupted by chaos.

Sorry I wasnt clear, I meant the bodies themselves are corruptable by chaos, not in the sense of mutation but things like the Techno (Techno Techno) virus and general long term warp exposure would certainly have an effect, as for there minds (in my mind sentience = soul) they are corruptable too (not necessarily by chaos) as we have examples in the cron book of "mad" overlords and flayed ones.

Just to be clear, I do not beleive necrons are corruptable by chaos per say... I just believe it is possible