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Happyjew wrote:Asp Sorc are Mastery level 1 (per the FAQ). Mark of Tzeentch allows them to cast an additional psychic power making them mastery 2.

I'm still new to the csm codex so forgive me if this seems like a dumb question but where does it say that the mark of Tzeentch lets an aspiring sorcerer cast two spells? The closest thing to that I see is in the HQ sorcerer entry that lets him take a second power if he has mark of tzeentch.

Page 88, under Psychic powers. Very first paragraph. This was pointed out to me a few days ago, which is why I remembered it.

Voodoo_Chile wrote:

Tomb King wrote:The hardest part is:

Daemon princes 1 warp tokens
Typhus 1 warp tokens
ahriman 3 warp tokens

Psykers cant take powers they cant cast so the only psyker really worth it in the CSM dex is Ahriman.

You generate warp charges every turn, it was my understanding that you store warp charges if you don't use them.

So even if you get a Warp Charge 2 ability, if you save a charge for a turn you can cast it next turn.

I believe it explicitly states that you cant save them.

Yep, any warp charges not used are lost. End of the psyker main rules section

Voodoo_Chile wrote:

Tomb King wrote:The hardest part is:

Daemon princes 1 warp tokens
Typhus 1 warp tokens
ahriman 3 warp tokens

Psykers cant take powers they cant cast so the only psyker really worth it in the CSM dex is Ahriman.

You generate warp charges every turn, it was my understanding that you store warp charges if you don't use them.

So even if you get a Warp Charge 2 ability, if you save a charge for a turn you can cast it next turn.

This is incorrect, it clearly states that if a Psyker has a Mastery level lower than the Warp Charge required for a Discipline, it must reroll for one that equals his PML.

As well, the final sentence in the "Generating Warp Charge" rule, on p66, states that "Any unused Warp Charge points are lost at the end of the turn." In otherwords .. Warp Charge is not cumulative on multiple turns ;x

Each faq says the available diciplines a psyker may opt to generate in place of powers they already have. So, you would never have more powers than what you originally had. For instance, the Eldar faq reads "For each psychic power he has purchased from Codex: Eldar, generate a new power from either the Divination or Telepathy Discipline", while the Codex Space Marines faq reads that Libarians always get 2 powers (as their codex have them 2 always), and that the mastery level was 1 for a basic Librarian, 2 for Epistolary (which allows an extra power under old rules).

Thus, it directly transates from old rulespeak that "You may cast x powers a turn" into "You have x mastery level." This is different from the amount of Powers your model has, which varies according to codex faq.

Edit: keyword here is "May." I am curious if you simply get to choose during setup of a battle (ref page 424, "The Game Summary"), immediately after determining warlord traits, if each psyker will generate a random power from a discipline, vs standard codex powers, each time you play a game?

evildrspock wrote:Each faq says the available diciplines a psyker may opt to generate in place of powers they already have. So, you would never have more powers than what you originally had. For instance, the Eldar faq reads "For each psychic power he has purchased from Codex: Eldar, generate a new power from either the Divination or Telepathy Discipline", while the Codex Space Marines faq reads that Libarians always get 2 powers (as their codex have them 2 always), and that the mastery level was 1 for a basic Librarian, 2 for Epistolary (which allows an extra power under old rules).

Thus, it directly transates from old rulespeak that "You may cast x powers a turn" into "You have x mastery level." This is different from the amount of Powers your model has, which varies according to codex faq.

Edit: keyword here is "May." I am curious if you simply get to choose during setup of a battle (ref page 424, "The Game Summary"), immediately after determining warlord traits, if each psyker will generate a random power from a discipline, vs standard codex powers, each time you play a game?

Yes, you generate powers before each game. You dont get the same ones throughout the tournament. It isnt like fantasy where you have to select your lore/powers and stick with that one.

For the sorcerers with MoT, pg 88 says they can attempt two psychic powers per player turn. and in the new BRB it says mastery level is the number of powers used per turn.
Just to make sure, that means they get mastery level 2 right?

Correct Marty

I just read through this whole thing and Ive almost answered my questions:

DP with MOTz is mastery level 2
Aspiring sorceror with MoTz is mastery level 2

My questions is: do the DP and sorceror need to purchase a power for each replacement? so do I need to buy 2 in order to get 2?

My answer is this:
since ahriman is mastery 3, but has 5 powers, he can sacrifice all 5 of his given powers in the codex to utilize the psychic power generator[PPG] in the BRB. In which case he generates a psychic power for each mastery level until his mastery level is full. This is paraphrased from the 2nd paragraph of the 2nd column on p. 418.

Per the codex, a deamon prince must purchase 1 power to be a psyker, and with MoTz becomes mastery level 2(regardless of whether he purchases another power). Thus he may trade all his powers (1 chosen) in order to utilize the psychic power generator[PPG] in the BRB, which state that he must have a power for each mastery level (2 random).

Also, per the codex, an aspiring sorceror must buy 1 power, he is by definition a mastery level 2 psycher (as discussed previously), and therefore can opt to trade his codex given powers to utilize the PPG which states that he must have a power for each mastery level.

The rule that stands against this is in the eldar FAQ, which it should be noted, has nothing to do with the CSM FAQ. A farseer must purchase a power for each new power he wishes to generate.
My thought on this is that the CSM FAQ is a very bad patch job to bridge to a new codex, which will probably come after the next 3 imperial codexes.

Ignoring the eldar FAQ (which is warranted in this case), a Tz DP and an aspiring sorceror will get 2 new powers even if they only purchase doombolt. for the DP this works out to 30 points when you include the fact that the MoTz already costs 20 pts. And to be honest, for 70 pts, 2 powers is the least that can be done to make the aspiring sorceror worth his cost.

-Mark

Awesome

Darn:
I just reread the CSM Faq. now I'm just more confused,

it has the same wording as the eldar farseer, in which a psycker may replace a power with each one purchased. this may be how the ruling works for the daemon prince, and any psycker with a familiar, but the Aspiring sorceror is still in question.

He must purchase only 1 power, but also must take a power for each of his levels of mastery...

I cant figure out how to resolve this... I dont think GW addressed this.

-Mark

The FAQ rules on how many Psychic Powers are generated overrules the Main Rulebook rules on how many Powers are generated. At this time, you generate only as many powers as the FAQ tells you to, which is one for each power you have bought. Ahriman trades all 5 of his powers for 3 as per the FAQ, and Typhus trades his powers for 2.

Thus, an Aspiring Sorcerer will, despite being Mastery Level 2, only have 1 power.

ML2 is still.. amazing. Hallucination? Yes please. I'm fine paying 10pts if I roll that.