Feast Of Blades - event point value has been changed

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**Mannahnin**

I was excited to try to make it out to Colorado for this from the East coast, but this is making me reconsider, to be honest.

The Coteaz and SW list possibilities are enough to break the double force org, I think.

**deathholydeath**

Mannahnin wrote:You can't play Fortifications "by the book" if you're not doing terrain "by the book", which virtually no store-based event can do.

The alternating terrain deployment rules eat too much clock time, and the varying amounts needed from table to table both add time and make it harder or impossible for many stores to reach the limit. Now, I believe they've selected Qualifier locations from stores with particularly good tables/terrain, but even good stores which have lots and lots of terrain can't get around the time issue, which random rolls for amounts and alternating placement create. You're probably looking at adding at least 20 minutes to each round to allow for those.

I think they'll probably just have a standard terrain set-up for all tables. Most of those fortifications are small enough to just be "plopped" down in any open space in one's own deployment zone. The exception, of course, being the FOR.

**Smitty0305**

So far the thread has taken a somewhat "Lolyoumadbro" format.

A 2000 point game in 5th edition with a standard FOC relied on player skill, general 40k knowledge, army synergy, and playing of the mission. I think we can all agree that these factors produce a good game.

I Fear (and I may be wrong) , that allowing a doubled FOC can create many problems for a tournament, and this is what I wish to discuss. If you disagree with me thats fine, but I would appreciate you doing so in a respectful manner (or avoid posting).

The Problems I see are as follows.
1) Abusal of flier rules to make a game where an army LITERALLY can not skill all the enemy fliers.
2) Abusal of FoC choices, to make an army that cant be destroyed by an army, literally a (Rock , Paper, Sissors) game.

I mainly fear that the game will change into a (I cant beat army B, but I can beat Army C) kind of game, and that isnt how you play a competitive game.

I know for a fact, that players will abuse a double FOC tournament. I know for a fact, that people will go up against a list, that will be un-beatable for them, not because player skill, but because of army composition, which is from a player who was willing to spend more on his army.

**Zid**

Smitty0305 wrote:So far the thread has taken a somewhat "Lolyoumadbro" format.

A 2000 point game in 5th edition with a standard FOC relied on player skill, general 40k knowledge, army synergy, and playing of the mission. I think we can all agree that these factors produce a good game.

I Fear (and I may be wrong) , that allowing a doubled FOC can create many problems for a tournament, and this is what I wish to discuss. If you disagree with me thats fine, but I would appreciate you doing so in a respectful manner (or avoid posting).

The Problems I see are as follows.
1) Abusal of flier rules to make a game where an army LITERALLY can not skill all the enemy fliers.
2) Abusal of FoC choices, to make an army that cant be destroyed by an army, literally a (Rock , Paper, Sissors) game.

I mainly fear that the game will change into a (I cant beat army B, but I can beat Army C) kind of game, and that isnt how you play a competitive game.

I know for a fact, that players will abuse a double FOC tournament. I know for a fact, that people will go up against a list, that will be un-beatable for them, not because player skill, but because of army composition, which is from a player who was willing to spend more on his army.

And thats where the banhammer comes into play; the first few GTs will be fishy for this edition til people hash out whats good and whats bad for competative play. If that makes for a game we all dislike, you can always jump ship. I'll reserve judgement til I get in a few tourneys and see whats in store.

**DarthDiggler**

Smitty0305 wrote:

I know for a fact, that players abused the GK codex in 5th edition. I know for a fact, that people will go up against a list, that will be un-beatable for them, not because player skill, but because of army composition, which is from a player who was willing to spend more on his army.

Fixed that for you.

**RiTides**

I'll just vote with my wallet- I likely won't be attending events that allow double FOC... and just like in fantasy, where TOs realized how unpopular "grand armies" were, and stuck to 2999 or 3000 with no "grand" rules.

It will happen similarly here, and most events will stick to 1999+1 as their max.

Just my prediction, of course, but it was pretty obvious trend in fantasy, and as this is much more extreme, I can't see it turning out any different.

The only event that I attended for fantasy that used "grand armies" was 'Ard Boyz, I believe...

**BladeWalker**

I was going to check out the Qualifier and GT process this year for this but I think I'll pass now. I've never been a fan of the "I have more disposable income than you" tournaments. I'd love to see more 1500 point RTT style events, maybe I'm just getting old but tournies seem to be too many points and too many games to have a good time. I think it is less dependent on the edition change and more about everything leaning toward a more competitive mindset. 2000 points and 7 games may be the best way to find a undefeated champion but it sounds like more work than fun to me overall. I like 5 games, 1500 points, and plenty of time to BS and drink beer inbetween games so I'll pass.

If there is some kind of local qualifier I will go to it just to get 3 games in one day.

I think double FOC and taking out Warlord and other stuff will be very bland.

**DarthDiggler**

I think I will also vote with my wallet. Where can I find more info on the Feast of Blades tournament? The rules make this event very appealing.

**Mannahnin**

Looks like they haven't made a central thread for the 2012 FoB here on Dakka yet. There have been two other threads by the organizers relating to it, though:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/412787.page#3609675
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/453763.page#4370054

I don't think Chandler posts on here much, as he didn't respond to my questions about the missions, in that second thread.

**Scott-S6**

Smitty0305 wrote:18 War Walkers, 18 KillaKans, 40 missile launcher longfangs, 4 Squads of thunderwolf calvary with wolf lords, 4 seer councils with a total of 40 bikes, 18 Broadsides. You can now bring Mephiston, sanginor, Belial, and Draigo all in the same list. You can bring 6 StormRavens. 60 Fire Dragons...Necrons can now bring like 20 armor13 vehices.....you can bring MSU armies with 12+ razorbacks...Dark Eldar can bring 20'ish venoms....IG can spam 18 Vandettas(with flier rules have fun rofl)......CSM can spam 18 Oblidorators...orks can bring like 8 battlewaggons....GK can bring 6 NDK's(I dont think this is killable with all the ap2 nerfs).....

Show me a good 2000 point list with any of those combos and then we'll talk. Most of them simply run out of points way before they have what they need.

Smitty0305 wrote:6 Landraiders.....

You do realise that C:SM can take 5 in a single FoC, right? And BA can take 15 in a single FoC?

**Smitty0305**

Scott-S6 wrote:
Smitty0305 wrote:18 War Walkers, 18 KillaKans, 40 missile launcher longfangs, 4 Squads of thunderwolf calvary with wolf lords, 4 seer councils with a total of 40 bikes, 18 Broadsides. You can now bring Mephiston, sanginor, Belial, and Draigo all in the same list. You can bring 6 StormRavens. 60 Fire Dragons...Necrons can now bring like 20 armor13 vehices.....you can bring MSU armies with 12+ razorbacks...Dark Eldar can bring 20'ish venoms....IG can spam 18 Vandettas(with flier rules have fun rofl)......CSM can spam 18 Oblidorators...orks can bring like 8 battlewaggons....GK can bring 6 NDK's(I dont think this is killable with all the ap2 nerfs).....

Show me a good 2000 point list with any of those combos and then we'll talk. Most of them simply run out of points way before they have what they need.

Smitty0305 wrote:6 Landraiders.....

You do realise that C:SM can take 5 in a single FoC, right? And BA can take 15 in a single FoC?

Eldrad

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**MVBrandt**

Biggest worry for me is gk. 12 psybacks, 6 psydreads,, coteaz and basic inquisitor plus five paladins with 2 p cannons = 1994.

**Zid**

Smitty0305 wrote:
Scott-S6 wrote:
Smitty0305 wrote:18 War Walkers, 18 KillaKans, 40 missile launcher longfangs, 4 Squads of thunderwolf calvary with wolf lords, 4 seer councils with a total of 40 bikes, 18 Broadsides. You can now bring Mephiston, sanginor, Belial, and Draigo all in the same list. You can bring 6 StormRavens. 60 Fire Dragons...Necrons can now bring like 20 armor13 vehices.....you can bring MSU armies with 12+ razorbacks...Dark Eldar can bring 20'ish venoms....IG can spam 18 Vandettas(with flier rules have fun rofl)......CSM can spam 18 Oblidorators...orks can bring like 8 battlewaggons....GK can bring 6 NDK's(I dont think this is killable with all the ap2 nerfs).....

Show me a good 2000 point list with any of those combos and then we'll talk. Most of them simply run out of points way before they have what they need.

Smitty0305 wrote:6 Landraiders.....

You do realise that C:SM can take 5 in a single FoC, right? And BA can take 15 in a single FoC?

Eldrad

Farseer - Guide

7x Pathfinders
7x Pathfinders
7x Pathfinders
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3x Warwalkers 6x scatter lasers
3x Warwalkers 6x scatter lasers
3x Warwalkers 6x scatter lasers
3x Warwalkers 6x scatter lasers
3x Warwalkers 6x scatter lasers
3x Warwalkers 6x scatter lasers

Smitty, while I know you know this, that list doesn't have a hope in hell of beating many competative lists... Considering necrons are awesomesauce now.

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MVBrandt wrote:Biggest worry for me is gk. 12 psybacks, 6 psydreads,, coteaz and basic inquisitor plus five paladins with 2 p cannons = 1994.

3 man acolyte squads?

**Smitty0305**

Zid wrote:
Smitty0305 wrote:
Scott-S6 wrote:
Smitty0305 wrote:18 War Walkers, 18 KillaKans, 40 missile launcher longfangs, 4 Squads of thunderwolf calvary with wolf lords, 4 seer councils with a total of 40 bikes, 18 Broadsides. You can now bring Mephiston, sanginor, Belial, and Draigo all in the same list. You can bring 6 StormRavens. 60 Fire Dragons...Necrons can now bring like 20 armor13 vehices.....you can bring MSU armies with 12+ razorbacks...Dark Eldar can bring 20'ish venoms....IG can spam 18 Vandettas(with flier rules have fun rofl)......CSM can spam 18 Oblidorators...orks can bring like 8 battlewaggons....GK can bring 6 NDK's(I dont think this is killable with all the ap2 nerfs).....

Show me a good 2000 point list with any of those combos and then we'll talk. Most of them simply run out of points way before they have what they need.

Smitty0305 wrote:6 Landraiders.....

You do realise that C:SM can take 5 in a single FoC, right? And BA can take 15 in a single FoC?

Eldrad

Farseer - Guide

7x Pathfinders
7x Pathfinders
7x Pathfinders
7x Pathfinders

3x Warwalkers 6x scatter lasers
3x Warwalkers 6x scatter lasers
3x Warwalkers 6x scatter lasers
3x Warwalkers 6x scatter lasers
3x Warwalkers 6x scatter lasers
3x Warwalkers 6x scatter lasers

Smitty, while I know you know this, that list doesn't have a hope in hell of beating many competative lists... Considering necrons are awesomesauce now.

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MVBrandt wrote:Biggest worry for me is gk. 12 psybacks, 6 psydreads,, coteaz and basic inquisitor plus five paladins with 2 p cannons = 1994.

3 man acolyte squads?

Zid that isnt the list I would bring.

I would probably through in atleast 3 squads that can take out armor 13. Wraithlords/Avatar/Swooping Hawks/Fire Dragons would be thrown in, my point is that armies can bring maxed slots and field a decent force.

**Thunderfrog**

Smitty0305 wrote:
Zid wrote:
Smitty0305 wrote:
Scott-S6 wrote:
Smitty0305 wrote:18 War Walkers, 18 KillaKans, 40 missile launcher longfangs, 4 Squads of thunderwolf calvary with wolf lords, 4 seer councils with a total of 40 bikes, 18 Broadsides. You can now bring Mephiston, sanginor, Belial, and Draigo all in the same list. You can bring 6 StormRavens. 60 Fire Dragons...Necrons can now bring like 20 armor13 vehices.....you can bring MSU armies with 12+ razorbacks...Dark Eldar can bring 20'ish venoms....IG can spam 18 Vandettas(with flier rules have fun rofl)......CSM can spam 18 Oblidorators...orks can bring like 8 battlewaggons....GK can bring 6 NDK's(I dont think this is killable with all the ap2 nerfs).....

Show me a good 2000 point list with any of those combos and then we'll talk. Most of them simply run out of points way before they have what they need.

Smitty0305 wrote:6 Landraiders.....

You do realise that C:SM can take 5 in a single FoC, right? And BA can take 15 in a single FoC?

Eldrad

Farseer - Guide

7x Pathfinders
7x Pathfinders
7x Pathfinders
7x Pathfinders

3x Warwalkers 6x scatter lasers
3x Warwalkers 6x scatter lasers
3x Warwalkers 6x scatter lasers
3x Warwalkers 6x scatter lasers
3x Warwalkers 6x scatter lasers
3x Warwalkers 6x scatter lasers

Smitty, while I know you know this, that list doesn't have a hope in hell of beating many competative lists... Considering necrons are awesomesauce now.

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MVBrandt wrote:Biggest worry for me is gk. 12 psybacks, 6 psydreads,, coteaz and basic inquisitor plus five paladins with 2 p cannons = 1994.

3 man acolyte squads?

Zid that isnt the list I would bring.

I would probably through in atleast 3 squads that can take out armor 13. Wraithlords/Avatar/Swooping Hawks/Fire Dragons would be thrown in, my point is that armies can bring maxed slots and field a decent force.

It's obvious that you are both concerned and up at some of the design directions of 6th edition and how it will impact tournament play. At this point it seems to be a matter of coaxing you into relaxing long enough to wait and see. that Eldar list would probably kill a few things, but unless you had the good fortune of only playing Will of the Emperor, there's no way you would be able to run up and hold any objectives other than home base.

I would advise just a weebit less worry. If for some reason these x6 heavy slot lists dominate, a few things will happen.

1) The meta will shift to defending that.
2) TO's will adapt.

**Scott-S6**

Smitty0305 wrote:
Scott-S6 wrote:
Smitty0305 wrote:18 War Walkers, 18 KillaKans, 40 missile launcher longfangs, 4 Squads of thunderwolf calvary with wolf lords, 4 seer councils with a total of 40 bikes, 18 Broadsides. You can now bring Mephiston, sanginor, Belial, and Draigo all in the same list. You can bring 6 StormRavens. 60 Fire Dragons...Necrons can now bring like 20 armor13 vehices.....you can bring MSU armies with 12+ razorbacks...Dark Eldar can bring 20'ish venoms....IG can spam 18 Vandettas(with flier rules have fun rofl)......CSM can spam 18 Oblidorators...orks can bring like 8 battlewaggons....GK can bring 6 NDK's(I dont think this is killable with all the ap2 nerfs).....

Show me a good 2000 point list with any of those combos and then we'll talk. Most of them simply run out of points way before they have what they need.

Smitty0305 wrote:6 Landraiders.....

You do realise that C:SM can take 5 in a single FoC, right? And BA can take 15 in a single FoC?

snip~warwalker spam

You don't actually think that's a good army do you? Plus, you can get a very similar result with a single FoC using max warwalkers+vypers.

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Smitty0305 wrote:my point is that armies can bring maxed slots and field a decent force.

Even if that were true, why is that a problem?

People said the same when the guard codex came out but how many 9x vendetta or 9x hydra armies do you see?

**Therion**

how many 9x vendetta or 9x hydra armies do you see?

You didn't see them because squadrons are awful. If you have an infinite amount of slots there's no way a 2000 point IG army would play with less than 4 Vendettas. They're simply so points efficient. I'd probably use 6 myself and just spend less on the Heavy Support slot.

I think double FOC is a terrible idea. If it's not balanced in 1999 points why is it balanced in 2000 points? Some of the extreme armies proposed in this thread are awful but it's a result of you trying to get to the max of 6 or 8 choices (allies) per slot when in fact it's already abusive when you take anything more than 3. The FOC exists for a reason. It tries to force the armies into having some internal balance. If you happen to have something overpowered and underpriced, atleast you can't spend all your points on it.

Coteaz based Grey Knights have to spend 373 points and then they have two HQ and 4 troops with tanks. Now they have access to a ton of stuff. In fact the most imbalanced way they can go about it is just take troops choices. With 12 psyback teams and the two HQs they're still at only 869 points and they've got tons of scoring units. With 6 Psyriflemen they're still at only 1679 points, leaving the rest of the points to be spent how you see fit. If you don't want 6 of those Dreads, take 4 or 5 and then you get more stuff elsewhere. I just don't think anyone can argue that this type of army is fair against most opponents.

Personally for my own Necrons, I can see plenty of ways to take advantage of a system like this. It depends on what direction you want to take the army to and no matter what you choose it'll become more of a hard counter against someone in the rock paper scissors game leading to more one-sided and uninteresting games.

**narked**

Smitty0305 wrote:
You can now bring Mephiston, sanginor, Belial, and Draigo all in the same list

Failing to see how, considering the second Allied Detachment must be from the same Codex as the first...

**Chase**

Mannahnin wrote:You can't play Fortifications "by the book" if you're not doing terrain "by the book", which virtually no store-based event can do.

The alternating terrain deployment rules eat too much clock time, and the varying amounts needed from table to table both add time and make it harder or impossible for many stores to reach the limit. Now, I believe they've selected Qualifier locations from stores with particularly good tables/terrain, but even good stores which have lots and lots of terrain can't get around the time issue, which random rolls for amounts and alternating placement create. You're probably looking at adding at least 20 minutes to each round to allow for those.

I can't ever see a situation where we would allow players to place their own terrain each round. It's a complete logistical nightmare and that's to say nothing about the fact that most players treat terrain like crap.

The fortifications thing is odd. We're obviously going to allow them in all of our events but I definitely hope no one shows up with a Fortress of Redemption.

**Prodigalson**

I was planning on going to the qualifier, but double FOC? That's no fun, and I hope that this isn't the new format that people start using 1500-1999 sounds fine to me.

I think I'll go test drive that mini roadster I've been looking at.

**MrDrumMachine**

This is why double FOC is bad

2000 Pts – Codex: Orks Roster

1 Big Mek, 35 pts

5 Lootas, 75 pts

5 Lootas, 75 pts

5 Lootas, 75 pts

5 Lootas, 75 pts

5 Lootas, 75 pts

5 Lootas, 75 pts

10 Boyz, 105 pts (Shootas)
1 Trukk (Reinforced Ram; Rokkit Launcha)

10 Boyz, 105 pts (Shootas)
1 Trukk (Reinforced Ram; Rokkit Launcha)

10 Boyz, 105 pts (Shootas)
1 Trukk (Reinforced Ram; Rokkit Launcha)

10 Boyz, 105 pts (Shootas)
1 Trukk (Reinforced Ram; Rokkit Launcha)

10 Boyz, 105 pts (Shootas)
1 Trukk (Reinforced Ram; Rokkit Launcha)

10 Boyz, 105 pts (Shootas)
1 Trukk (Reinforced Ram; Rokkit Launcha)

10 Boyz, 105 pts (Shootas)
1 Trukk (Reinforced Ram; Rokkit Launcha)

10 Boyz, 105 pts (Shootas)
1 Trukk (Reinforced Ram; Rokkit Launcha)

10 Boyz, 105 pts (Shootas)
1 Trukk (Reinforced Ram; Rokkit Launcha)

10 Boyz, 105 pts (Shootas)
1 Trukk (Reinforced Ram; Rokkit Launcha)

10 Boyz, 105 pts (Shootas)
1 Trukk (Reinforced Ram; Rokkit Launcha)

3 Big Gunz, 60 pts
6 Gretchin

3 Big Gunz, 60 pts
6 Gretchin

3 Big Gunz, 60 pts
6 Gretchin

3 Big Gunz, 60 pts
6 Gretchin

3 Big Gunz, 60 pts
6 Gretchin

3 Big Gunz, 60 pts
6 Gretchin

Total Roster Cost: 2000

And Mr. I don’t need to spend 2k to beat you.

2000 Pts – Grey Knights Roster

1 Inquisitor Coteaz, 100 pts

1 Inquisitorial Henchmen Warband, 62 pts
3 Warrior Acolyte (Chainsword; Laspistol)
1 Razorback (Psybolt Ammunition)

1 Inquisitorial Henchmen Warband, 62 pts
3 Warrior Acolyte (Chainsword; Laspistol)
1 Razorback (Psybolt Ammunition)

1 Inquisitorial Henchmen Warband, 62 pts
3 Warrior Acolyte (Chainsword; Laspistol)
1 Razorback (Psybolt Ammunition)

1 Inquisitorial Henchmen Warband, 62 pts
3 Warrior Acolyte (Chainsword; Laspistol)
1 Razorback (Psybolt Ammunition)

1 Inquisitorial Henchmen Warband, 62 pts
3 Warrior Acolyte (Chainsword; Laspistol)
1 Razorback (Psybolt Ammunition)

1 Inquisitorial Henchmen Warband, 62 pts
3 Warrior Acolyte (Chainsword; Laspistol)
1 Razorback (Psybolt Ammunition)

1 Inquisitorial Henchmen Warband, 62 pts
3 Warrior Acolyte (Chainsword; Laspistol)
1 Razorback (Psybolt Ammunition)

1 Inquisitorial Henchmen Warband, 62 pts
3 Warrior Acolyte (Chainsword; Laspistol)
1 Razorback (Psybolt Ammunition)

1 Inquisitorial Henchmen Warband, 62 pts
3 Warrior Acolyte (Chainsword; Laspistol)
1 Razorback (Psybolt Ammunition)

1 Inquisitorial Henchmen Warband, 62 pts
3 Warrior Acolyte (Chainsword; Laspistol)
1 Razorback (Psybolt Ammunition)

1 Inquisitorial Henchmen Warband, 62 pts
3 Warrior Acolyte (Chainsword; Laspistol)
1 Razorback (Psybolt Ammunition)

1 Dreadnought, 135 pts (Psybolt Ammunition; Twin-Linked Autocannon; Twin-Linked Autocannon)

1 Dreadnought, 135 pts (Psybolt Ammunition; Twin-Linked Autocannon; Twin-Linked Autocannon)

1 Dreadnought, 135 pts (Psybolt Ammunition; Twin-Linked Autocannon; Twin-Linked Autocannon)

1 Dreadnought, 135 pts (Psybolt Ammunition; Twin-Linked Autocannon; Twin-Linked Autocannon)

1 Dreadnought, 135 pts (Psybolt Ammunition; Twin-Linked Autocannon; Twin-Linked Autocannon)

1 Dreadnought, 135 pts (Psybolt Ammunition; Twin-Linked Autocannon; Twin-Linked Autocannon)

Total Roster Cost: 1592

Loganwing:

2000 Pts – Space Wolves Roster

1 Logan Grimnar, The Great Wolf, 275 pts

1 Wolf Guard Pack, 99 pts
2 Wolf Guard in Power Armour (Bolt Pistol; Combi-Plasmagun x1)
1 Wolf Guard in Power Armour (Bolt Pistol; Close Combat Weapon)
1 Rhino

1 Wolf Guard Pack, 104 pts
3 Wolf Guard in Power Armour (Bolt Pistol; Combi-Meltagun x1)
1 Rhino

1 Wolf Guard Pack, 104 pts
3 Wolf Guard in Power Armour (Bolt Pistol; Combi-Meltagun x1)
1 Rhino

1 Wolf Guard Pack, 104 pts
3 Wolf Guard in Power Armour (Bolt Pistol; Combi-Meltagun x1)
1 Rhino

1 Wolf Guard Pack, 104 pts
3 Wolf Guard in Power Armour (Bolt Pistol; Combi-Meltagun x1)
1 Rhino

1 Wolf Guard Pack, 104 pts
3 Wolf Guard in Power Armour (Bolt Pistol; Combi-Meltagun x1)
1 Rhino

1 Wolf Guard Pack, 104 pts
3 Wolf Guard in Power Armour (Bolt Pistol; Combi-Meltagun x1)
1 Rhino

1 Wolf Guard Pack, 104 pts
3 Wolf Guard in Power Armour (Bolt Pistol; Combi-Meltagun x1)
1 Rhino

1 Wolf Guard Pack, 104 pts
3 Wolf Guard in Power Armour (Bolt Pistol; Combi-Meltagun x1)
1 Rhino

1 Wolf Guard Pack, 104 pts
3 Wolf Guard in Power Armour (Bolt Pistol; Combi-Meltagun x1)
1 Rhino

1 Wolf Guard Pack, 104 pts
3 Wolf Guard in Power Armour (Bolt Pistol; Combi-Meltagun x1)
1 Rhino

1 Wolf Guard Pack, 104 pts
3 Wolf Guard in Power Armour (Bolt Pistol; Combi-Meltagun x1)
1 Rhino

1 Land Speeder Squadron, 80 pts (Multi-melta x1; Multi-melta x1)

1 Land Speeder Squadron, 80 pts (Multi-melta x1; Multi-melta x1)

1 Land Speeder Squadron, 80 pts (Multi-melta x1; Multi-melta x1)

1 Land Speeder Squadron, 80 pts (Multi-melta x1; Multi-melta x1)

1 Land Speeder Squadron, 80 pts (Multi-melta x1; Multi-melta x1)

1 Land Speeder Squadron, 80 pts (Multi-melta x1; Multi-melta x1)

Total Roster Cost: 1998

Or my favorite, here, it’s my 11 flyers. Each carrying a troop choice I can just beam down wherever on last turn.

Have fun.

2000 Pts – Necrons Roster

1 Overlord, 180 pts (Warscythe)
1 Catacomb Command Barge

5 Warriors, 165 pts
1 Night Scythe (TL Tesla Destructor)

5 Warriors, 165 pts
1 Night Scythe (TL Tesla Destructor)

5 Warriors, 165 pts
1 Night Scythe (TL Tesla Destructor)

5 Warriors, 165 pts
1 Night Scythe (TL Tesla Destructor)

5 Warriors, 165 pts
1 Night Scythe (TL Tesla Destructor)

5 Warriors, 165 pts
1 Night Scythe (TL Tesla Destructor)

5 Warriors, 165 pts
1 Night Scythe (TL Tesla Destructor)

5 Warriors, 165 pts
1 Night Scythe (TL Tesla Destructor)

5 Warriors, 165 pts
1 Night Scythe (TL Tesla Destructor)

5 Warriors, 165 pts
1 Night Scythe (TL Tesla Destructor)

5 Warriors, 165 pts
1 Night Scythe (TL Tesla Destructor)

Total Roster Cost: 1995

**Panzeh**

Most of the bad armies in 40k are bad because the FOC is incredibly limiting to them. No surprise that big tourney guys want to keep the best armies good.

**keithb**

Panzeh wrote:Most of the bad armies in 40k are bad because the FOC is incredibly limiting to them. No surprise that big tourney guys want to keep the best armies good.

Expaning FOC to DOUBLE helps point efficient codexes the most. End of story. If it was +1 to each slot, it would be different.

**narked**

MrDrumMachine, none of those lists are legal at 2000 points, as they lack a 2nd HQ

**MrDrumMachine**

narked wrote:MrDrumMachine, none of those lists are legal at 2000 points, as they lack a 2nd HQ

Nitpick if you like, or you can recognize that adding one min point HQ doesn't do didily to decrease the overall effectiveness of any of those lists.

**Kaotik**

Double force org would cause me to lose friends at the FLGS.

2k - Its Raining Missiles

Logan
Rune Priest

(6) 5x Wolf Guard with (1)CML

(6) 6x Long Fang (5)Missile Launchers

That is 42 missiles flying at 18 targets. Not a very fun game for my opponent if I go first. If I wanted to min/max more or get some AA I could drop a couple or all of the CML, because 30 missiles from the heavies alone is ludicrous. There WILL be some VERY stupid lists to come out of this tournament. I would put money on it.

**RiTides**

MrDrumMachine- Albiet missing the second HQ, those lists really do demonstrate why I don't think I'd ever want to play in a tournament that allows 2 full FOC at 2K... at least not with the many other tournies that I can choose from that will be running a single 1.

**Byte**

Nevermind...

**Duke**

www.feastofblades.com

*PLEASE READ*

First I want to thank everyone who expressed their opinions both FOR and AGAINST double FOC. There are some serious feelings on both sides.

One thing we try very hard to do at Feast of Blades is to create an event that players are excited to attend. This is why we have events that are hobby related (40k Open and 40k Narrative) and events that are competitive related (40k Invitational). The ability to go in this direction was fairly easy at the end of 5th edition when we had all played thousands of games. Of course, though, with a new edition comes lots of new questions. One of the main ones this year was "what point level to play at." We went back and forth with 2000 points and 1999+1 for a long time and settled (shortly) on 2k. The reasons were simple: This was one of the 2 point levels that were actually play-tested by GW (the other was 1500) and we also found that while the meta shifted dramatically it wasn't completely broken, especially if missions were balanced.

However, shortly after choosing 2000 points a steady drip of emails came in from players around the country, you can imagine with 2000+ players from over 100 locations in 46 states we had a lot of opinions! I personally tried to respond to each one (And my wife hated me for a week). After talking to many of you the messages were different but the conclusion was the same "We don't like double FOC." Some cited balance issues, others cited 'too much to learn, too quickly,' and still others mentioned financial issues associated with acquiring a whole new force org (and allies!)

So, I gathered my team together and we talked some about what was the best form of action to take. It was clear that we wanted to continue with our mission of "Throwing a party everyone wants to attend," and that meant:

Points levels at the Qualifiers will be 1999+1 (No Double Force Org.) Yes, that means you should bring a 1999 point list but you can be one point over.

I hope (and my staff hopes) that you all are excited about the upcoming Feast of Blades, we have thousands of players looking to qualify and the convention weekend is going to be bigger and better than ever!!!

If any of you have any further questions please email FOBcustomerservice@gmail.com

Honor Your Chapter!

Chandler
Feast of Blades TO

**yakface**

I'm going to go ahead and lock this thread as the first page or two are now based on information that has since changed and people coming in late might get confused about what is actually happening.

So if you'd like to discuss this tournament, please visit the official thread here:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/461526.page