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Reecius wrote:Yeah I remember you telling us about that at Adepticon. We would love to, but unfortunately I don't think we will make it to that or NOVA this year as we are getting ready to move to a bigger store in the next 2 months. We're stoked about that, but it means we will be flat broke for a while.

We'll for sure try and make it out next year. Vidar, on our team, said KC was a super fun city too, with a ton of cute girls which is always a plus!

You guys seemed like super cool fellas too, definitely an event that we'd like to go to.

Thats a shame I was gonna take you guys down to power and light. Its a place that has like 5 to 6 clubs attached together with a middle area and the clubs are all different such as one is wildwest themed and has a mechanical bull etc... Maybe next year.

Damn, that is tempting! hahaha, well, next year for sure!

Whats NOVA ???

NOVA open is a really big tournament held on the East Coast.

http://www.novaopen.com/

You know when you were shooting at the Harlequin deathstar you can focus fire on a 4+ cover save and ignore Vect.

Blackmoor wrote:You know when you were shooting at the Harlequin deathstar you can focus fire on a 4+ cover save and ignore Vect.

Why would Vect have a better cover save than other models in his unit? His 2+ save is an invulnerable save which has nothing to do with cover saves and therefore even if you focus fire on a 4+ cover save unltess vect is actually in cover better than 4+, he would still be hit.

Yakface beat me to it.

Focus fire only works on models with a different cover save. The entire unit has the same cover save unless some of them are actually in cover.

Yeah, I forgot that Vect would have the same cover save as them.

I do not think I will be taking Harlies this edition now you have to always keep a fortune on them, and they can be targeted from across the board. Also you need to be in cover all of the time, or you will just get a 4+ save (and you can focus fire when ever you have models out of cover),

They don;t need to be in cover all the time, it depend son who they;re fighting.

And remember, for some weird reason, DE Harlies still have veil! hahaha

Reecius wrote:
2 issues, 1, runes of warding means you are more likely to fail than succeed (about 55%) and take a wound.

Second, they have a 2+ cover save they can reroll, which won't be affected by null zone.

Bah, I'm not scared. Few Markerlight hits and...

Sorry I can't get the vid here at work, how do mortars (etc) snipe?

RandyMcStab wrote:Sorry I can't get the vid here at work, how do mortars (etc) snipe?

casualties from barrage weapons come from the models closest to the center of the blast. So if you place a barrage blast over a model in the middle of a unit you really want to kill and roll a 'hit' then any hits generated by that blast have to go on that model first, just like with normal shooting the wounds have to go on the model closest to the firers.

And what's even worse, if its a multi-barrage and you roll any 'hits' with your 2nd or 3rd blasts you're allowed to place them anywhere touching any part of the first blast, so any further 'hits' mean you'd be putting another blast in the same place (centered on the model you want to kill). That means even with 'look out sir' that model in the middle of the unit is probably going to die, especially when you have the heavy defensive guys up at the front of the unit to soak normal firepower.

Are you guys playing with the Eldar buffing powers work on DEldar units? Because the consensus (as well as mine) is that they don't work because they only work on "Eldar units". Besides doom of course.

So no 2++ rerollables.

yakface wrote:

RandyMcStab wrote:Sorry I can't get the vid here at work, how do mortars (etc) snipe?

casualties from barrage weapons come from the models closest to the center of the blast. So if you place a barrage blast over a model in the middle of a unit you really want to kill and roll a 'hit' then any hits generated by that blast have to go on that model first, just like with normal shooting the wounds have to go on the model closest to the firers.

And what's even worse, if its a multi-barrage and you roll any 'hits' with your 2nd or 3rd blasts you're allowed to place them anywhere touching any part of the first blast, so any further 'hits' mean you'd be putting another blast in the same place (centered on the model you want to kill). That means even with 'look out sir' that model in the middle of the unit is probably going to die, especially when you have the heavy defensive guys up at the front of the unit to soak normal firepower.

Oy Vay

So I missed that Barrage weps 'always' scatter now, bit of a nerf to direct fire...

@Fallen: Eldar are Allies in this list and the Harlequin unit is part of the allied detachment and chosen from the Eldar codex. Its an "Eldar Unit." The Dark Eldar characters have joined the Eldar unit and have become a part of it for all intents and purposes. According to RAW and Internets consensus this is "perfectly legal."

How are Dark Eldar flyers Vector Dancers?

Yak and ynehoi beat me to it.

@RandyMcStab

yeah, sniper indirect weapons....hahahaha! Oh well.

@Backfire

I didn't thin of that, actually, that would work really well if you could bypass the Archons.

yenhoi wrote:

How are Dark Eldar flyers Vector Dancers?

I also see no mention of this anywhere. And it would be nice, because otherwise DE flyers are quite lackluster.

@RandyMcStab:

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying about "always" scattering. Scatter rules are specific on page 6 and they're pretty much always the same. A hit roll doesn't scatter. Blasts and direct fire barrages scatter 2D6 minus Ballistic Skill if you don't roll a hit. Indirect fire barrages scatter 2D6 if you don't roll a hit.

@Sephyr

They don't have the rule, at least not in the FAQs or the BRB.

I think DE flyers are pretty awesome, actually. The Void Raven is pretty beastly with str9 lances.

I like the Razorwing a lot too as it is versatile with the missiles and lances.

lambadomy wrote:@RandyMcStab:

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying about "always" scattering. Scatter rules are specific on page 6 and they're pretty much always the same. A hit roll doesn't scatter. Blasts and direct fire barrages scatter 2D6 minus Ballistic Skill if you don't roll a hit. Indirect fire barrages scatter 2D6 if you don't roll a hit.

I thought that's what they were saying at the time (haven't been able to watch vid yet) I went home and looked it up and know they can 'hit' now, thanks.

Reecius wrote:@Sephyr

They don't have the rule, at least not in the FAQs or the BRB.

I think DE flyers are pretty awesome, actually. The Void Raven is pretty beastly with str9 lances.

I like the Razorwing a lot too as it is versatile with the missiles and lances.

The problem is that you can't snapfire the missiles/bombs and you have no hover mode. The lances are fun, yes, but the Twin-linked heavy weaponry favored by other flyers may be better for aerial duels at a smaller cost.

Fair enough. I still like the DE flyers a lot, but different stokes for different folks.

yakface wrote:
casualties from barrage weapons come from the models closest to the center of the blast.

Where's this in the rulebook? All I'm finding on my own is that cover is determined from the center of the blast, nothing about casualties.

pg.34 BRB

second bullet point, first sentence.

Reecius wrote:pg.34 BRB

second bullet point, first sentence.

Played my Duke Silicus/Eldrad Combo army against a tough SW list this weekend and achieved a major victory (1999 points). I am telling you one of the best alliances in the game right now is eldar+dark eldar. They cover eachothers weaknesses well.

Yeah, they'e a crazy good. We're find that to be a super powerful combo, too.

ok, being on vacation for a week after 6th is released has been pretty nice...up until i played a few games vs. this DE/Eldar pain train.

I played 4 games. 2 with Tau, 1 with Crowe/Purifiers, 1 with Coteaz MSU. In my most optimal shooting phases for Tau, I put 50 wounds into the unit, Instant Death'ing an Archon and killing a single Harliquin. In the second game, I managed 41 wounds in one shooting phase, downing just 2 regular harliquins. Afterwards, the harli-bomb split up and went to town on my scoring units.

In the Crowe game, the best shooting phase I could muster was 48 wounds...i killed one damn harliquin. I did win this game however because I was able to trash the rest of his army and it was Purge the Alien.

In the Coteaz game, I lost all my scoring troops as the game went to turn 7 and you can't score inside your vehicles. My Storm Ravens and Psyflemans de-meched him pretty fast but TLOS kept me from being able to go get him off his objectives. Best shooting vs. the deathstar was 35 wounds...killed one single Harlie.

I don't know what to really do about that unit. Yeah, I can ignore it but it just goes to town in my lines if I do. I don't have a fearless blob big enough to tank it when he's got Vect, Karadaras, or something like that. Really glad I got to see this out on the internet before I saw it on the tabletop. I just don't see any reason at all to shoot this deathstar. Well, unless you have barage weopon but even then it's not much better if they're fearless.

Yeah, it is bananas.

We've found the ONLY way to beat it consistently is to shut down Fortune and then hit it with everything, or to multi layer Tar pit it (tar pit with one unit, surround the entire combat with another to stop them from Hit and Running, or at least directing them in a certain direction) or with luck and barrage weapons.

It is incredibly OP.

Farseer on JB, Autarch on JB, 10 Warlock on JB, and Baron Sarth is my personal Fav atm. It's significantly more points then the Harliestar, but it's faster. It's also arguably more survivable thanks to everyone is a character and 3+/4+/4++ on the basic guys.

Also with 8 heavy flamers god help you when you assault them.

Oooh, yeah, that is savage! I was thinking about Warlock combos, too, but that is pretty crazy. I had not considered the Baron, but that is pretty genius. He slows them down, but man does he add a lot to that squad! Nice one.