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Battlescribe has been working great for me!

Johnny-Crass wrote:Thank god. Honestly I have seen so many mistakes with people using army builder and they get so anal that Army Builder is right that they refuse to check their book. Finally something is being done about it and I can enjoy games against legal lists.

I think you will come to find that stupidity and Army Builder are a correlation you have made, and nothing further.

I switched to Battlescribe ages ago - GW have never had any agreement with them and already tried to shut them down, so they switched to 'community datafiles' ages ago.

It's also free, and Java-based, so works on my Mac.

I wish someone would make an army builder data file for my game.. I'd even give em some free models to say thanks I tried making one myself once and all I got to show for it was a migraine... too programmer-y for my old brain.

Panic wrote:yeah,

Necros wrote:... I hope the reason is because they're making their own army builder app that won't suck (even though it'll cost $87.95).

It'll also be iPad only and über limited edition so most of us can't get hold of a copy.

meanwhile I upped my purchases for sedation wars.

Panic...

You can buy an iPad right here. Enjoy.

As for WarRoom.... has anyone seen an update on when it's going to be coming out? It's starting to feel like Duke Nukem Forever...

cincydooley wrote:You can buy an iPad right here. Enjoy.

Yeah, cause all of us want to buy a $500 toy just for one or two apps.

Platuan4th wrote:

scarletsquig wrote: not only supporting free software, but also building their own War-room app and providing it for free as standard.

PP doesn't support any free list software. They used to, then decided they'd rather charge money for it and produced War-room(which isn't free if you actually want to build lists) instead, forcing the most popular to stop being produced and distributed.

Discounting Forward Kommander and other programs, of course, which they still support.


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cincydooley wrote:

Panic wrote:yeah,

Necros wrote:... I hope the reason is because they're making their own army builder app that won't suck (even though it'll cost $87.95).

It'll also be iPad only and über limited edition so most of us can't get hold of a copy.

meanwhile I upped my purchases for sedation wars.

Panic...

You can buy an iPad right here. Enjoy.

As for WarRoom.... has anyone seen an update on when it's going to be coming out? It's starting to feel like Duke Nukem Forever...

Likely near the end of the week. Exact release date unknown due to Apple being a bunch of pricks.

Laughing Man wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:

scarletsquig wrote: not only supporting free software, but also building their own War-room app and providing it for free as standard.

PP doesn't support any free list software. They used to, then decided they'd rather charge money for it and produced War-room(which isn't free if you actually want to build lists) instead, forcing the most popular to stop being produced and distributed.

Discounting Forward Kommander and other programs, of course, which they still support.

Not shutting something down doesn't mean supporting it. Forward Kommander receives no support from PP, iBodger DID by being advertised by PP. Support is an active thing. PP currently ONLY supports War-room, that other army list programs exist independently doesn't mean anything.

Panic wrote:meanwhile I upped my purchases for sedation wars.

I heard that game is shaping up to be a sleeper hit.

Platuan4th wrote:

cincydooley wrote:You can buy an iPad right here. Enjoy.

Yeah, cause all of us want to buy a $500 toy just for one or two apps.

You're totally right. They only run 1 or 2 apps!

I also find this particularly funny in a forum devoted to all of us pushing around armies of toys easily nearing $500.

Just sayin


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Laughing Man wrote:Likely near the end of the week. Exact release date unknown due to Apple being a bunch of pricks.

Care to elaborate for those of us that aren't as "in the know."

Eh? I don't seem to recall iBodger getting any official advertising from Privateer. Sure, Whicken has a thread on the forum, but that's about it. And they didn't precisely shut it down either: From what Whicken said, PP politely asked him to stop updating it because of their competing product, and he happily complied. It may seem like semantics, but there's a difference between getting a C&D letter or a friendly call from a Privateer employee explaining the situation and asking nicely.

Laughing Man wrote:Eh? I don't seem to recall iBodger getting any official advertising from Privateer. Sure, Whicken has a thread on the forum, but that's about it. And they didn't precisely shut it down either: From what Whicken said, PP politely asked him to stop updating it because of their competing product, and he happily complied. It may seem like semantics, but there's a difference between getting a C&D letter or a friendly call from a Privateer employee explaining the situation and asking nicely.

iBodger was advertised and linked to from the main PP site. In fact, there was a whole page on the PP site about it when it was first released.

cincydooley wrote:

Laughing Man wrote:Likely near the end of the week. Exact release date unknown due to Apple being a bunch of pricks.

Care to elaborate for those of us that aren't as "in the know."

The app's finished. We're currently twiddling our thumbs because Apple's approval process for apps is overly draconian, and simultaneous releases between OSes are apparently in right now.


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Platuan4th wrote:

Laughing Man wrote:Eh? I don't seem to recall iBodger getting any official advertising from Privateer. Sure, Whicken has a thread on the forum, but that's about it. And they didn't precisely shut it down either: From what Whicken said, PP politely asked him to stop updating it because of their competing product, and he happily complied. It may seem like semantics, but there's a difference between getting a C&D letter or a friendly call from a Privateer employee explaining the situation and asking nicely.

iBodger was advertised and linked to from the main PP site. In fact, there was a whole page on the PP site about it when it was first released.

Huh. Apparently I don't look at their front page enough.

cincydooley wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:

cincydooley wrote:You can buy an iPad right here. Enjoy.

Yeah, cause all of us want to buy a $500 toy just for one or two apps.

You're totally right. They only run 1 or 2 apps!

I also find this particularly funny in a forum devoted to all of us pushing around armies of toys easily nearing $500.

Just sayin

That sound was the point going over your head.

1. Many people aren't big app people, so yes, it would only be for 1 or 2 apps for them. How many it CAN run is irrelevant because we're not going to be downloading them just because it does it.

2. One single payment of $500 is a totally different animal from $500 over 5-6 months. If you can't see that difference, I envy your life.

Laughing Man wrote:

cincydooley wrote:

Laughing Man wrote:Likely near the end of the week. Exact release date unknown due to Apple being a bunch of pricks.

Care to elaborate for those of us that aren't as "in the know."

The app's finished. We're currently twiddling our thumbs because Apple's approval process for apps is overly draconian, and simultaneous releases between OSes are apparently in right now.

Cool, thanks for the update! Prices still set at $.99 for the app itself and $7.99 for each "army pack" ?

The app itself is free. The cards are $7 for each faction, last I heard.

EDIT: Yep, $6.99 per faction, including all future releases for that faction. Bundles for all Warmachine ($35.99), Hordes ($29.99), or everything ($59.99).

Laughing Man wrote:The app itself is free. The cards are $7 for each faction, last I heard.

There's also a $60 option for all factions, IIRC.

Platuan4th wrote:
I also find this particularly funny in a forum devoted to all of us pushing around armies of toys easily nearing $500.

Just sayin

That sound was the sarcasm going over your head.

1. Many people aren't big app people, so yes, it would only be for 1 or 2 apps for them. How many it CAN run is irrelevant because we're not going to be downloading them just because it does it.

I think this is a silly answer. Not being "big apple people" doesn't eliminate all other application possibilities from the iPad. Further, there are plenty of free apps to use on the iPad. I presume, based on this logic, that you also would refuse to use the internet browser because you're "not big Apple people." IMO, that's just ridiculous.

2. One single payment of $500 is a totally different animal from $500 over 5-6 months. If you can't see that difference, I envy your life.

But buying an army outright isn't that uncommon. Plenty of people do it. Hell, chances are if you bought into 6E you'll spend in the neighborhood of $150 just on rules and accessories and the few models you think are must haves for the new rules. Guess what? You know how you budget out $500 over 5-6 months for miniatures? You could do the same with an iPad.

cincydooley wrote:

1. Many people aren't big app people, so yes, it would only be for 1 or 2 apps for them. How many it CAN run is irrelevant because we're not going to be downloading them just because it does it.

I think this is a silly answer. Not being "big apple people" doesn't eliminate all other application possibilities from the iPad. Further, there are plenty of free apps to use on the iPad. I presume, based on this logic, that you also would refuse to use the internet browser because you're "not big Apple people." IMO, that's just ridiculous.

"App" is a colloquialism for "application". Hence "app store", et cetera. It has very little bearing on whether it is Apple specific, Android specific, or whatever.

2. One single payment of $500 is a totally different animal from $500 over 5-6 months. If you can't see that difference, I envy your life.

But buying an army outright isn't that uncommon. Plenty of people do it. Hell, chances are if you bought into 6E you'll spend in the neighborhood of $150 just on rules and accessories and the few models you think are must haves for the new rules. Guess what? You know how you budget out $500 over 5-6 months for miniatures? You could do the same with an iPad.

You could, but consider this: You do not want an iPaid. This could be because you chose to get a tablet from a different vendor, or simply because you have no genuine need for such a device. The value of such a device is directly proportional to the number of uses you have for it. Advocating a $500 gadget (that's questionably fit for the purpose you're advocating it for) as a replacement for an existing tool that is inexpensive, already implemented, and is easy to use is generally considered bad form.

daedalus wrote: Advocating a $500 gadget (that's questionably fit for the purpose you're advocating it for) as a replacement for an existing tool that is inexpensive, already implemented, and is easy to use is generally considered bad form.

Pencil & paper are about as inexpensive and easy to use as it gets.

I like how any post about Army Builder instantly goes off topic with people telling others to quit using it and posting other software instead of doing much to actually address the OPs question. Maybe 3 post in hear that are actually on topic.

Necros wrote:I wish someone would make an army builder data file for my game.. I'd even give em some free models to say thanks I tried making one myself once and all I got to show for it was a migraine... too programmer-y for my old brain.

We're in the same boat Necros

Though I personally would like someone do to a Forward Kommander style website for Brushfire.

daedalus wrote:

"App" is a colloquialism for "application". Hence "app store", et cetera. It has very little bearing on whether it is Apple specific, Android specific, or whatever.

same here one day I hope to be able to sell enough models to afford to hire a programmer that can build me a ginormous online gang builder that's all web based so it works on every device in the world.

Johnny-Crass wrote:Thank god. Honestly I have seen so many mistakes with people using army builder and they get so anal that Army Builder is right that they refuse to check their book. Finally something is being done about it and I can enjoy games against legal lists.

You know how many times I've come across errors in AB printed lists in my 12 years doing this? Maybe twice, where a stat line wasn't altered properly by magic items. That error had nothing to do with the person who wrote the list, and I'm sure the error was fixed in an update.

You know how many times I've seen errors on hand written lists? A crap ton of times. Sometimes it was people adding up points wrong, other times it was blatant cheating.

Also, no player wants to try and decipher the hieroglyphics that some 12 year old scratched down minutes before the game started. When I supply a copy of my list for tournaments or for my opponent to see after the game, it is nicely formatted and easy to read.

AB files may not be perfect(as are many things which are free on the internet), but it is still worlds better than hand writing a list.

And as people have stated:
Army Builder itself as a program is unaffected by this
The developers for the data files will continue to make data files
GW can do this as much as they want, people will just keep changing servers for the files, or they will end up being uploaded somewhere out of GW's legal reach like ThePirateBay or demonoid.

+1 for BattleScribe.

Necros wrote:I wish someone would make an army builder data file for my game.. I'd even give em some free models to say thanks I tried making one myself once and all I got to show for it was a migraine... too programmer-y for my old brain.

Again, OT, but I'll point out that you could probably write your own Battlescribe Data Files pretty easily. I have absolutely no programming/coding/complex maths experience, but I've managed to successfully submit a couple of finished BS data files to the general server..

I love how some people take a thread about one product, and instead of discussing that topic they plug their preferred product instead.

This thread has feth all to do with battlescribe. Leave it out of this thread.

AB does have a program for designing files iirc, though I'm not sure how hard it is to use.

It isn't hard to use if you know what you are doing.

You just need to be able to see where this change 'X' will effect 'Y' and 'z' there. That and a smattering of HTML coding will see you through.

I bought Army Builder a few months ago, I've been really impressed with it and found it great for producing a clear to see list to bring to games for my opponents to look over and for me to reference.

There is no evidence atm that GW would actually produce something of their own to replace it.
There is a likelihood GW would produce an inferior product.
There is a historical precedence for them producing something then failing to update it or keep it accurate.
There is a strong likelihood of the GW product costing considerably more than the AB.


This is so regrettably typical of the C&D-happy corporation.