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I think we've already won the war on terrorism. I mean if this is their new recruiting strategy who would ever sign up?

Join AQ, let us bugger your bung hole, and go blow yourself up for us.

http://www.torontosun.com/2012/07/12/sodomy-the-new-jihadi-training-method



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Oh and as a afterthought, did that mosque that's not a mosque ever get built down the road from ground zero?

d-usa wrote:

KingCracker wrote:

Kid_Kyoto wrote:Can't complain.

Politicians will have plenty of other venues to speak at, the Pentagon and the field in Pennsylvania where the 4th plane went down are all now gov't property after all.

There were a LOT of complaints at the 10th anniversary ceremony that victims families were shut out by all the VIPs.

I was one of them. I thought it was pretty disrespectful to have all those people pushed out so senators and bigwigs could sit and look pretty on TV

FDNY got excluded as well if I remember right.

How in the.... what the.... how could......

My head hurts.

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/responders.asp

Probably the shortest source on that.

Poppabear wrote:This crap was 11 years ago. Yes it was horrible and very very sad but have you guys ever heard of forgive and forget and let live and let die.

I mean I can't watch T.V for a whole month because EVERY channel as 9/11 stuff on it.

I mean you guys finally slaughtered an old Muslim for it? Isn't that your final retribution?

This crap was 97 years ago. Yes it was horrible and very very sad but have you guys ever heard of forgive and forget and let live and let die.

I mean I can't watch T.V for a whole month because EVERY channel as ANZAC stuff on it.

I mean you guys finally slaughtered an old German/Turk for it? Isn't that your final retribution?

In a statement, Bloomberg spokesman Andrew Brent said the commemoration ceremony is for the victims' families.

"While we are again focused on accommodating victims' family members, given the space constraints, we're working to find ways to recognize and honor first responders, and other groups, at different places and times," Brent said.

There's only so much space, I guess. I don't really know the details of that though.

Also controversial was the mayor's decision not to include clergy or formal prayers in the ceremony: Religious leaders are calling on Mayor Michael Bloomberg to reverse course and offer clergy a role in the ceremony commemorating the 10th anniversary of the terrorist attack on the World Trade Center.

City Hall officials, who are coordinating the ceremony, confirmed that spiritual leaders will not participate this year — just as has been the case during past events marking the anniversary. The mayor has said he wants the upcoming event to strike a similar tone as previous ceremonies.

"There are hundreds of important people that have offered to participate over the last nine years, but the focus remains on the families of the thousands who died on Sept. 11," said Evelyn Erskine, a mayoral spokeswoman.

"The ceremony was designed in coordination with 9/11 families with a mixture of readings that are spiritual, historical and personal in nature," Erskine said.

"It has been widely supported for the past 10 years and rather than have disagreements over which religious leaders participate we would like to keep the focus of our commemoration ceremony on the family members of those who died."

Makes sense to me... mourning isn't religious, it's human.

sirlynchmob wrote:I think we've already won the war on terrorism. I mean if this is their new recruiting strategy who would ever sign up?

Join AQ, let us bugger your bung hole, and go blow yourself up for us.

http://www.torontosun.com/2012/07/12/sodomy-the-new-jihadi-training-method



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Oh and as a afterthought, did that mosque that's not a mosque ever get built down the road from ground zero?

That's just stupid, what the hell do victims' families need honouring for? You lose a loved one - literally everyone has, or will at some point. How does that compare to selfless bravery?
Whinging morons.

youbedead wrote:

Poppabear wrote:This crap was 11 years ago. Yes it was horrible and very very sad but have you guys ever heard of forgive and forget and let live and let die.

I mean I can't watch T.V for a whole month because EVERY channel as 9/11 stuff on it.

I mean you guys finally slaughtered an old Muslim for it? Isn't that your final retribution?

This crap was 97 years ago. Yes it was horrible and very very sad but have you guys ever heard of forgive and forget and let live and let die.

I mean I can't watch T.V for a whole month because EVERY channel as ANZAC stuff on it.

I mean you guys finally slaughtered an old German/Turk for it? Isn't that your final retribution?

I think comparing Gallipoli with 9/11 is more than a little stupid.

Albatross wrote:

youbedead wrote:

Poppabear wrote:This crap was 11 years ago. Yes it was horrible and very very sad but have you guys ever heard of forgive and forget and let live and let die.

I mean I can't watch T.V for a whole month because EVERY channel as 9/11 stuff on it.

I mean you guys finally slaughtered an old Muslim for it? Isn't that your final retribution?

This crap was 97 years ago. Yes it was horrible and very very sad but have you guys ever heard of forgive and forget and let live and let die.

I mean I can't watch T.V for a whole month because EVERY channel as ANZAC stuff on it.

I mean you guys finally slaughtered an old German/Turk for it? Isn't that your final retribution?

I think comparing Gallipoli with 9/11 is more than a little stupid.

As is complaining about memorial services

Not really. Presumably you wouldn't be massively happy about a memorial service for Abdelbaset al-Meghrahi or Osama Bin Laden?

Attempting to validate your own memorial by trashing those of your supposed friends and allies is childish and stupid. Knock it off.

71 yrs so far on the Pearl Harbor Memorial service.

Albatross wrote:Not really. Presumably you wouldn't be massively happy about a memorial service for Abdelbaset al-Meghrahi or Osama Bin Laden?

Attempting to validate your own memorial by trashing those of your supposed friends and allies is childish and stupid. Knock it off.

I want you to read his post, and then read mine. My post was highlighting the absurdity of his statement. As you said trashing the memorial services 'of your supposed friends and allies is childish and stupid. Knock it off'

Jihadin wrote:71 yrs so far on the Pearl Harbor Memorial service.

How do you mean? Do they not hold them or something? I find that hard to believe.

Albatross wrote:

Jihadin wrote:71 yrs so far on the Pearl Harbor Memorial service.

How do you mean? Do they not hold them or something? I find that hard to believe.

I think he means they have memorial services at the Pearl Harbor Memorial still.

youbedead wrote:

Albatross wrote:Not really. Presumably you wouldn't be massively happy about a memorial service for Abdelbaset al-Meghrahi or Osama Bin Laden?

Attempting to validate your own memorial by trashing those of your supposed friends and allies is childish and stupid. Knock it off.

I want you to read his post, and then read mine. My post was highlighting the absurdity of his statement. As you said trashing the memorial services 'of your supposed friends and allies is childish and stupid. Knock it off'

You'll note that I mocked him for what he posted. What I didn't do is insult the millions of other New Zealanders (and Australians) by belittling the sacrifice of the ANZACs in return for his comments. That's childish and petty, especially if you don't actually believe what you're posting. Not everything has to be a nationalist pissing contest, even on Dakka.


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Frazzled wrote:

Albatross wrote:

Jihadin wrote:71 yrs so far on the Pearl Harbor Memorial service.

How do you mean? Do they not hold them or something? I find that hard to believe.

I think he means they have memorial services at the Pearl Harbor Memorial still.

Ah, OK. Quite right too.

Albatross wrote:

youbedead wrote:

Albatross wrote:Not really. Presumably you wouldn't be massively happy about a memorial service for Abdelbaset al-Meghrahi or Osama Bin Laden?

Attempting to validate your own memorial by trashing those of your supposed friends and allies is childish and stupid. Knock it off.

I want you to read his post, and then read mine. My post was highlighting the absurdity of his statement. As you said trashing the memorial services 'of your supposed friends and allies is childish and stupid. Knock it off'

You'll note that I mocked him for what he posted. What I didn't do is insult the millions of other New Zealanders (and Australians) by belittling the sacrifice of the ANZACs in return for his comments. That's childish and petty, especially if you don't actually believe what you're posting. Not everything has to be a nationalist pissing contest, even on Dakka.

If you take that as in insult to the sacrifice of the aussie and new zealend soldiers or an attempt at instigating a pissing contest then I believe you may misunderstood my intent. He obviusly doesn't understand that 9/11 was a pretty big deal for us, and as such we honor those who lost their lives especially those that made a willing sacrifice. So I decided to the same argument around on him to attempt to make him understand, the gallipoli landings was the first thing that came to mind that would have similar cultural impact to a to a new zealender that 9/11 has to an american

Regards not slagging off mourners, I always think its fair game me. I mean, fairs fair.

Remember this classic video? If you haven't seen it, it's laugh out loud funny. "Lets talk about the thoughtlessness and mean spiritedness of your comments"

"By all means!"





I love the oily preacher guy with his "Lets elevate the civility of our discourse" fething nonsense.

I'm an equal opportunities hater me. I only feel happy when Im hating! I proper hate hippies for example, but I hate hypocrites even more, so I always encouraged them to make signs and throw insults at me. Call me a baby raper if it makes you feel better, that's your right.

I agreed with the marches through Wooton Bassett too. Ban them? For what?! I think that Muslims should be not only allowed, but encouraged to burn poppies, piss on graves and generally say awful things about soldiers. They have that right.

As long as In retort I can then say the things that get me endlessly banned from dakka.

Only if we allow people to say the offensive, can we ever clamber over this current wall of horse gak, whereby minorities and Religious people can get away with saying truly outrageous things, while everyone else has to constantly mind their Ps and Qs.

The Americans have the right of it in this regard.. In the UK you can wind up in court for being fething rude, and its the most ridiculous gak I have ever heard frankly.

We can quit all this crap fighting about who has the bigger reason to be sad about something that happened at some point, or we can lock this thread. Doesn't really matter at this point I guess.

youbedead wrote:

Albatross wrote:

youbedead wrote:

Albatross wrote:Not really. Presumably you wouldn't be massively happy about a memorial service for Abdelbaset al-Meghrahi or Osama Bin Laden?

Attempting to validate your own memorial by trashing those of your supposed friends and allies is childish and stupid. Knock it off.

I want you to read his post, and then read mine. My post was highlighting the absurdity of his statement. As you said trashing the memorial services 'of your supposed friends and allies is childish and stupid. Knock it off'

You'll note that I mocked him for what he posted. What I didn't do is insult the millions of other New Zealanders (and Australians) by belittling the sacrifice of the ANZACs in return for his comments. That's childish and petty, especially if you don't actually believe what you're posting. Not everything has to be a nationalist pissing contest, even on Dakka.

If you take that as in insult to the sacrifice of the aussie and new zealend soldiers or an attempt at instigating a pissing contest then I believe you may misunderstood my intent. He obviusly doesn't understand that 9/11 was a pretty big deal for us, and as such we honor those who lost their lives especially those that made a willing sacrifice. So I decided to the same argument around on him to attempt to make him understand, the gallipoli landings was the first thing that came to mind that would have similar cultural impact to a to a new zealender that 9/11 has to an american

Just don't let poppa wind you up mate, I have seen him post some doozies during his stay here. He is one of the very few posters on here that really does seem to have a serious dislike for Americans due to the (probably quite fair lets be honest!) stereotype that many of you guys are a bit more overtly patriotic than most people.

Not like Matty.. I like Americans more than anyone precisely BECAUSE they are more xenophobic than Europeans.

I had a French plane providing air support for me once in Helmand... He was more conservative with his ammo than a guy with a six shooter during a zombie holocaust. It was only when we had an A-10 with a national guardsman behind the stick that things started to get fun!

French pilot was following standards...you know us quite well Matty...we train to standards but its out the window on contact with the enemy.

Poppabear wrote:

Albatross wrote:

Poppabear wrote:But 9/11 was just an incorporation of fear. It was an excuse to go to 'war' with an enemy that is not there, but the government still invaded the Middle East which shouldn't have happened at all really.

9/11 is just used to keep Americans thinking that 'Terrorism' actually exists, and thats its around them at any corner when this is simply untrue

All that has been done in the middle east is the killing of innocent people (and no, just because some random Saudi and Pakistani's killed American civilians does not mean you guys can do that as well) and some militants that are part of a group called Al Qaeda which the American government made up to instill this fear

This whole installment of fear is just used to blind you of the real crap that is happening, which is the building of your empire in the middle east and to bring up oil out from there as well.

Since 2001 the Middle East has just become one big military base for the states to guard there assets there. Not to fight some imaginary foe and declare war under false pretenses and to invade regions THAT HAD NOTHING DO WITH ANY OF THAT BULLCRAP!

I predict big things for you round these parts, Poppabear. Big things.


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Ahtman wrote:

juraigamer wrote:And they think just keeping politicians from speaking will keep it from being a political issue.

It was a political decision to keep politicians out.

Bingo. I was just coming onto this thread to post that exact thing.

Worst that can happen to me is that I'll get internet bashed by some Americans, unless... they now have the power to reach through the computer screen and punch people across the world?

Anywhere else outside of the States and Britain most people would tend to agree with me

Never heard of a drone strike?

He's not part of any terrorist organization.

Still though I totally agree on not allowing politicians make remarks at a ceremony dedicated for the families that loss love ones. Its not a political tool/event to booster one's carreer. It'll cheapen the ceremony itself. Watch how many politicians be at the Pentagon though for they're ceremony.

d-usa wrote:

KingCracker wrote:

Kid_Kyoto wrote:Can't complain.

Politicians will have plenty of other venues to speak at, the Pentagon and the field in Pennsylvania where the 4th plane went down are all now gov't property after all.

There were a LOT of complaints at the 10th anniversary ceremony that victims families were shut out by all the VIPs.

I was one of them. I thought it was pretty disrespectful to have all those people pushed out so senators and bigwigs could sit and look pretty on TV

FDNY got excluded as well if I remember right.

I dont remember if they were excluded, or forced to sit in the back or something like that. That pissed me off even more. Like really? THEY were the heroes in that whole debacle