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Tadashi wrote:

n0t_u wrote:And both are popularity polls rather than actual power. Both are personal opinion.

Ok...but the fact remains that other three are in many ways more influential or indirectly stronger than Slaanesh. In terms of squickiness and overall power they are equal, but the other three are apparently stronger, seeing as they've been around longer.

Time is meaningless to the warp.

But one of them has to be the weakest. The thing is they're all kind of even at the same time as they constantly struggle. It was because of the struggle of the other three that Slaanesh was able to gather so much power to bring itself up to their level. Slaanesh is sort of like the Tau of the Chaos gods in that way. It is easily dealt with but due to other threats it is left on its own to grow in strength and become a new threat. The main difference is that this will take the Tau a lot longer to achieve if at all.

Slaanesh also sort of overlaps the others as it encompasses excess in all things. But, that can sort of be said for the others; they're not as clean cut as it seems as I think a few of them would overlap in parts. Wrath, anger and hatred for example, they sound like Khorne from the start but can also apply to Slaanesh. It probably comes down more to what god the cultist eventually makes a deal with. I sort of think they'd all get a little bit of the energy from everyone and that by dealing with them it simply focuses it their direction instead.

Slaanesh has( or had ) one of the best roles in W40K
here is form lexicaniom :
The name Slaanesh derives from Slaaneth - the god's name in the language of Chaos, (Slaa meaning "ecstasy", "pleasure", etc, Neth meaning "lord of", "master of", or "prince of"; hence, the Prince of Pleasure). The correct adjective of things associated with Slaanesh (such as its worshippers) is "Slaaneshi"[...]
[...]Slaanesh's symbol is rarely worn openly by its followers. They instead often wear items of jewellery bearing erotic motifs. Followers dress in robes which are often opened to leave the right side of the chest uncovered, a requirement of many of the rituals involved in his worship. Pastel and electric shades are the chief colours, although white is often used as well. These colours are also sometimes carried over into everyday wear, although they may be modified to fit in with current fashions. Regardless of any considerations, all Slaanesh followers wear garb of sensuously high quality.
Even the most militant of Slaanesh's followers do not deny themselves this hedonistic lifestyle; cultist hideouts may be fortified and stocked with weapons, but they are equally stocked with luxurious furniture, sumptuous food, and erotic decorations.
In the mythology of the primitive inhabitants of Fenris, "Sla Nahesh" (presumably a misinterpretation of Slaanesh) is an evil deity, described as the offspring of the dark god Horus and the dragon goddess Skrinneir, and is imprisoned within one of the planet's volcanic islands after being defeated by Leman Russ [..]

from wiki :
Slaanesh, also known as the Dark Prince, the Prince of Pleasure and even the Prince of Chaos in the Imperium of Man, is the Chaos God of Pleasure, Passion, and Decadence. Lust, pride and self-indulgence are the hallmarks of all who follow him

so i believe:
That is the reason that 1000 sons follewed him ( perfection and pleasure) and that if BA turn heretic will go to him and not Krone , as BA hun PERFECTION and JOY and not BLOOD .remeber : SM were STILL humans. and as eldar, they had no-joy in heir lifes..................

Pada wrote: and as eldar, they had no-joy in heir lifes..................

It was Eldar's 'joy' in their lives that brought Slaanesh into being to begin with
Just saying.

Pada wrote:
so i believe:
That is the reason that 1000 sons follewed him ( perfection and pleasure) and that if BA turn heretic will go to him and not Krone , as BA hun PERFECTION and JOY and not BLOOD .remeber : SM were STILL humans. and as eldar, they had no-joy in heir lifes..................

Emperor's Children, not Thousand Sons.

BA wouldnt go to slaanesh if they go as far into madness as to turn to chaos theyd all be death company and follow khorne.

Aren't Death Company ones those who have fallen prey to the fault in their gene-seed & become eternally angry? If so, if at time of BA turning, wouldn't that mean only those who had the 'Black Rage' would look to Khorne whilst the remaining BA would prefer to pursue their vane hunt for perfection with Slaanesh, especially if it could help them to avoid succumbing to the Black Rage? I imagine Slaanesh could do that - after all Slaanesh is a Chaos God!

She Who Thirsts...



I know who I'm serving, come the warpstorms...



(and Nurgle followers don't just get pustules and disease, they gain Endurance beyond mortal reckoning)

:| what the hell is that thing?

Ronin wrote:

Pada wrote: and as eldar, they had no-joy in heir lifes..................

It was Eldar's 'joy' in their lives that brought Slaanesh into being to begin with
Just saying.

yes that i was meanig

@skyD : thx for corection, im noob at chaox fluff ( i always change their sides)

Overlord Zerrtin wrote:BA wouldnt go to slaanesh if they go as far into madness as to turn to chaos theyd all be death company and follow khorne.

nope all will go to slaanesh , remeber Death company are pleasured whith the blood , the others whith the perfection

Fido198674 wrote:Plus you wouldnt need Slaaneshs pleasures since you would be in a steady state of euphoria ALL the time.

See, that's the tricky thing about Chaos - you will always want more.

Knock knock, Malal would like to join the "who is the greatest chaos god of them all" party. Any god who hunts the others has my vote. Damn you GW for putting him in the lore basement and throwing away the key.

mjl7atlas wrote:Knock knock, Malal would like to join the "who is the greatest chaos god of them all" party. Any god who hunts the others has my vote. Damn you GW for putting him in the lore basement and throwing away the key.

Well there were the copyright issues and GW tried to make up for it (gasp!) via Malice. Sure Malice is a lesser chaos god but where the fluff was left off for him and the Sons of Malice was that the Sons had just summoned Malice into physical, material form and were ready to go crash some parties figuratively speaking.

Knock knock, Malal would like to join the "who is the greatest chaos god of them all" party. Any god who hunts the others has my vote. Damn you GW for putting him in the lore basement and throwing away the key.

It's one thing to hunt. It's quite another to hunt, fail, and get devoured.

Lynata wrote:

ZSO SAHALL wrote:why are they taking out the God that makes turning to Chaos kinda understandible

To be fair, "Dawn of War" isn't from GW but THQ/Relic.

That aside, I *did* notice that the amount of "sex" or rather pseudoerotic appeal - easily one of Slaanesh's most prominent and easily portrayable fields of work (yeah, yeah, "just one aspect", "not the only thing", "should not be limited to it" ... I know!) - has been scaled back over the years, most obviously in the Daemonette miniatures, but also when looking at the descriptions and artworks. Did anyone else wonder why the "Prince of Pleasure" byname was gone in the 6E rulebook?

The explanation for this should be fairly easy, however. According to currently propagated Western sociocultural values, blood and violence are a-okay, but things like a naked human body or natural bodily functions are taboo. GW is probably starting to pander more towards the American market now than the UK, assuming that is where most money is to be made (due to sheer population numbers and thus a higher number of potential customers), and with this comes a slight shift in style to prevent backlash the sort of what BioWare faced over Mass Effect 1.



Hooray for our hypocritical culture.

No idea if this was why THQ/Relic omitted Slaanesh entirely, though.

It's because the idea that violence is something that should not be portrayed is fairly new in comparison to the "No nudity and such" concept which is an age-old religious taboo.

DOOMBREAD wrote:It's because the idea that violence is something that should not be portrayed is fairly new in comparison to the "No nudity and such" concept which is an age-old religious taboo.

I suppose that makes sense, especially when you look at various nations/cultures and their relationship to nudity in comparison to the level of some religion's influence.

Still a sad thing.

Regardless of how liberal your attitudes about sex and nudity are, its easy to see why GW is getting away from slannesh.
The hobby is plagued by so many terrible stereotypes and cliches as it is, scaling down the sex just seems like a logical choice to try and make the hobby seem more legitimate.
Social constraints about sex need to be addressed, but a hobby wargame is really not the venue for it.

I mean, look at most rpgs and comics these days, the female armour (chainmail bikini at best) or cover art. It's so over the top that instead of making it sexy, it just makes me uncomfortable and hope a girlfriend or friend doesnt get the wrong impression.

Also, do you really need sexy daemonettes?

sc0ttfree wrote:
Also, do you really need sexy daemonettes?

Hmmmmm... yes, yes I do.

sc0ttfree wrote:Regardless of how liberal your attitudes about sex and nudity are, its easy to see why GW is getting away from slannesh.
The hobby is plagued by so many terrible stereotypes and cliches as it is, scaling down the sex just seems like a logical choice to try and make the hobby seem more legitimate.

But if it were to eliminate stereotypes and cliches, why not tackle one of the far more obvious ones?

No, I'm fairly sure this was done simply to tap a new market and/or a younger audience. Which is unfortunate, as it dilutes the setting for those who have grown up with a more mature version of it. I really don't want 40k to go the way of WoW.
It is understandable from an economical point of view, but not from an artistical one.

sc0ttfree wrote:Also, do you really need sexy daemonettes?

When their god is about pleasure and perfection? Yeah, I think so. Otherwise it just ends up a mockery of a lot of what this supposed deity stands for.
Might as well write Slaanesh out of the setting entirely.

But I agree about the "chainmail bikini" issue. Although I will say that - depending on the setting and the situation - even such armour might have a place, albeit only when it is obvious to an intelligent reader that such designs are (in-universe) inspired more by tradition and/or decoration rather than function. An example being Warcraft's Night Elves (since they do not intend to get into melee combat and rely on mobility over protection), or for 40k various Slaneeshi cultists or Dark Eldar who want to make a point about presenting their "perfect" bodies.
We even had this on our real Earth - look at female Roman gladiators and what they were wearing. The skimpy choices range from entirely topless to metal bras.
People just have to be careful and consider where skimpiness might actually fit (or where it could even be necessary) and where it obviously doesn't and just looks out of place.

The "chainmail bikini", incidentally, has a tradition as well. This was commonly described and depicted in the pulp-fiction era of R.E. Howard and contemporary writers and artists, throughout the 1920s, 30s and beyond, possibly reaching its zenith in the Marvel-produced Red Sonja comics of the 1970s and early 80s, though it is debatable whether RS was carrying on the tradition or simply maintaining the tradition established by Conan.

Psienesis wrote:The "chainmail bikini", incidentally, has a tradition as well.

Oh, I meant in-setting tradition, not in our own world!

Throughout the ages, militaries all over the world had their efficiency hampered by some sort of tradition. Just look at the armies of the Napoleonic Wars, if we're talking fashion.

Lynata wrote:

sc0ttfree wrote:Regardless of how liberal your attitudes about sex and nudity are, its easy to see why GW is getting away from slannesh.
The hobby is plagued by so many terrible stereotypes and cliches as it is, scaling down the sex just seems like a logical choice to try and make the hobby seem more legitimate.

But if it were to eliminate stereotypes and cliches, why not tackle one of the far more obvious ones?

Indeed. The setting was built on cliche and there are still quite a few blatant silly ones adorning the setting. Toning down the 'sex' aspect of Slaanesh is not dealing with a silly cliche it's tampering with a core attribute of one of the Chaos Gods. Sex, it can be argued, produces the highest state of emotional enjoyment & ecstasy a human can know. It is one of the things we all enjoy & are actually one of the only species in our world who perform sexual intercourse for enjoyment! Therefore it is quite a large part of being human and to tone it down on the God of enjoyment, hedonism, pleasure & perfection is... silly. Reminds me of this;

true story............

Waiit op...

You claim GW is removing Slannesh... and yet they just released new model kits for them including 3 different codex units now...

no totally getting rid of them, obviously.

IronfrontAlex wrote:Waiit op...

You claim GW is removing Slannesh... and yet they just released new model kits for them including 3 different codex units now...

no totally getting rid of them, obviously.

Judging by the 'farm machinery' design of the chariot, however, Slannesh has been reinvented as the god of agriculture.

yes, it also has and that thing behind

English Assassin wrote:Judging by the 'farm machinery' design of the chariot, however, Slannesh has been reinvented as the god of agriculture.

Cue "Sex Farm" by Spın̈al Tap.

Should be noted that reading through some 6th edition rulebook fluff, Slaanesh is indeed called the "Prince of Pleasure". So the concept isn't totally gone.

Really? Huh, could've sworn that this was missing from the list of aliases on his/her rundown - I distinctively remember pausing there as something seemed "different".

Thanks, I'll go back and review the entry. Maybe it was something else. >_>

Lynata wrote:Really? Huh, could've sworn that this was missing from the list of aliases on his/her rundown - I distinctively remember pausing there as something seemed "different".

Thanks, I'll go back and review the entry. Maybe it was something else. >_>

Page 221 of the Rulebook, Slaanesh is called the "Lord of Pleasure".

I myself only caught it when I was bored the other day and browsing through some bits I initially skimmed.

Ahhhh, thanks for pointing this out - I'm relieved. I only read the rundown on page 222.

I shall read up on those other bits as well; so far, I only skimmed the book as well, limiting my attention to the bits that mattered most to my own interests.