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For obvios reasons Slaanesh is the best Chaos God, yet Slaanesh is being taken away more and more from GW, in dawn of war retribution the chaos character could get the gifts of Nurgle, Khorne, or Tzentch, but no Slaanesh, why are they taking out the God that makes turning to Chaos kinda understandible, without him/her its just a bunch people with deseases and birth defects who go onto kill people.

ZSO SAHALL wrote:For obvios reasons

Whatever do you mean?

Nurgle and Khorne have always been the favorite of Games-Workshops characters. WAR made is Tzeentch because it was the least specialized of them all.
It just so happens that Slaanesh is made for one thing: those of us nerds who NEED sex in every aspect of out nerd life.
Slaanesh will always sit on the backburner for video games.

ZSO SAHALL wrote:why are they taking out the God that makes turning to Chaos kinda understandible

To be fair, "Dawn of War" isn't from GW but THQ/Relic.

That aside, I *did* notice that the amount of "sex" or rather pseudoerotic appeal - easily one of Slaanesh's most prominent and easily portrayable fields of work (yeah, yeah, "just one aspect", "not the only thing", "should not be limited to it" ... I know!) - has been scaled back over the years, most obviously in the Daemonette miniatures, but also when looking at the descriptions and artworks. Did anyone else wonder why the "Prince of Pleasure" byname was gone in the 6E rulebook?

The explanation for this should be fairly easy, however. According to currently propagated Western sociocultural values, blood and violence are a-okay, but things like a naked human body or natural bodily functions are taboo. GW is probably starting to pander more towards the American market now than the UK, assuming that is where most money is to be made (due to sheer population numbers and thus a higher number of potential customers), and with this comes a slight shift in style to prevent backlash the sort of what BioWare faced over Mass Effect 1.



Hooray for our hypocritical culture.

No idea if this was why THQ/Relic omitted Slaanesh entirely, though.

Because many people think that Slaanesh is just sex, drugs, sex, rocknroll and sex they find it repulsive which I assume got back to GW who (as stated previously seem to be appealing more and more to the US) are like, "We can't have this!" When the truth of the matter is that Slaanesh has more in common with Lucifer of the Abrahamic religions which, i think, makes her, him, it the most appealing of all the Chaos Gods in my book. So sure they toss the Prince of Pleasure title, that only circumvented a relatively small portion of what Slaanesh covered. Now if they got rid of the title Prince of Excess we'd be having an issue on our hands.

I think the GW line on the issue is: "Yes sometimes are models are sexist but all you lovely bitches and hos should know we're trying to correct this."

Because of Mary bloody Whitehouse and the rest of those bloody morale crusaders.
Well, that's who I'm blaming anyway.

King Pariah wrote:So sure they toss the Prince of Pleasure title, that only circumvented a relatively small portion of what Slaanesh covered.

I still think that this was his/her most prominent aspect, though - or at least one which was so important that you cannot just shove it into a corner and put a blanket over it.

For example, it's a bit silly when Daemonettes are described as being alluring and revolting at the same time, yet redesign them in the way that ... well, they're not alluring at all but just hideous!
Or did they lose that "alluring" perk just like Slaanesh lost his PoP title?

While it's true that Slaanesh and the excess he/she embodies have many aspects and have many forms, how are you going to portray it on a miniature? I think it needs some form of representation, and if you take the "sex" away, it just ... well, what options do you have left? Will we just give everyone a Noise Marine ghettoblaster, or will all miniatures become fat and hold a sausage in their off-hand?
Maybe I'm too dug-in with the old style, but "taming down" Slaanesh just feels wrong. Next thing we know they put them Daemonettes in burkhas because they're still showing too much skin.

In Memoriam:

If had any skill as a convertor, I would create a Slaaneshi army just to base them off of Rocky Horror Picture show.
Because what the game needs are more Spesse Mahrines in fishnets. And it will make neckbeards cry.

Slaanesh is one of the more interesting gods to explore. In a tabletop RP, I've been playing a surgeon whose vain desire for perfection in his craft has caused him to fall to the lure of She Who Thirsts.

He's proven to be a very interesting, if disturbing character to play.

Slaanesh is probably the Chaos entity mortals would flock to more than any other. Look at how humans crave entertainment, drugs, food, sex, etc. It's the base desires.

But Slaanesh is the only deity that is genuinely disturbing and nekkid bewbs probably aren't ideal for the kiddie market. The game has trouble reflecting aptitude more subtle than "I IZ STRONGEST" or "I IZ TOUGHEST" so Khorne and Nurgle get the focus, with Tzeentch showing up for silly rules exploits for its effectiveness (FLYING CIRCUS RARR!).

It is kinda silly that a model with its intenstines hanging out of its abdomen is appropriate for tykes but a nipple is just too much. So yeah, I agree with Lynata.


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jmurph wrote:The game has trouble reflecting aptitude more subtle than "I IZ STRONGEST" or "I IZ TOUGHEST"

How about "IZ CONTROLIN UR MODELZ"? Slaanesh could do that.

Glorioski wrote:I think the GW line on the issue is: "Yes sometimes are models are sexist but all you lovely bitches and hos should know we're trying to correct this."

I love you!

One thing I noticed in fluff is how little the post-Heresy Emperor's Children are seen doing anything. No warbands, no famous raids, no battles, no nothing that the other Traitor Legions all get. We know they were part of the 13th Black Crusade, but between M31 and M41 what the Emp's Children have been up to is a mystery besides waging a lot of high with other CSM in the Eye of Terror.

I suspect this phenomenon attaches itself to the topic of this thread. It's understandable GW would want to keep the boobies and sex at a minimum given how many small children take part in their products, though old hard-core Slaanesh is still present in BL novels. Slaanesh tempting Talos with sex in Soul Hunter comes to mind.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2JPfhKh5Lk

But, but, I thought noise marines WERE sex drugs and rock n roll

Harriticus wrote:One thing I noticed in fluff is how little the post-Heresy Emperor's Children are seen doing anything. No warbands, no famous raids, no battles, no nothing that the other Traitor Legions all get. We know they were part of the 13th Black Crusade, but between M31 and M41 what the Emp's Children have been up to is a mystery besides waging a lot of high with other CSM in the Eye of Terror.

I suspect this phenomenon attaches itself to the topic of this thread. It's understandable GW would want to keep the boobies and sex at a minimum given how many small children take part in their products, though old hard-core Slaanesh is still present in BL novels. Slaanesh tempting Talos with sex in Soul Hunter comes to mind.

Almost every Chaos legion has extremely little post heresy fluff. Can you think of any famous Death Guard battles? Night Lords?

Harriticus wrote:One thing I noticed in fluff is how little the post-Heresy Emperor's Children are seen doing anything. No warbands, no famous raids, no battles, no nothing that the other Traitor Legions all get. We know they were part of the 13th Black Crusade, but between M31 and M41 what the Emp's Children have been up to is a mystery besides waging a lot of high with other CSM in the Eye of Terror.

If you want to delve into non-GW fluff, a bunch of Emperor's Children accompany Miriael Sabathiel on her unholy crusade through the Pyrus Sector.

Harriticus wrote:It's understandable GW would want to keep the boobies and sex at a minimum given how many small children take part in their products

Understandable? It's sad that we have come to a point where society in some nations thinks a nipple is worse than exploding people. What a travesty! Mark my words, in another 10-20 years, public kissing will be outlawed as "obscene", but you'll be able to watch real torture shows on TV. Hooray, violence!

I actually dislike Slaanesh the most of all Chaos gods. He/She is the one that you will most likely get the least out of in the end. You are going to go mad on a pleasure world at some point rather than becoming powerful and dominant over your realm. You will be lored there by your deepest desire, not making any decisions to your own fate. Like a fish on a line until you die.

Khorne lines up as the second worse, because while he will give you power it is extremely hard to be the one of the few followers that he chooses to give his power too. All the rest die, because blood for the blood god who cares where it came from!

Tzeentch would be 2nd, as you can get a massive amount of power quite easily in the form of warp power. Shooting flames and slowing time down is always extremely useful, and even if you aren't his most beloved servant you are still likely to get a pretty good deal. Following him isn't first because you know that he is always pulling your strings, pushing and pulling you until what he wants to happen does.

Nurgle is the best, while a grotesque life from the outside people infected by Nurgles rot no longer feel pain, and feel a blissful sense of euphoria from what I've read. You are near immortal since your body is not functioning by normal means anymore. Also, Papa Nurgle loves each and everyone one of his servants, and is the most likely to bring you back from the dead to serve again.

Gargantuan wrote:

Harriticus wrote:One thing I noticed in fluff is how little the post-Heresy Emperor's Children are seen doing anything. No warbands, no famous raids, no battles, no nothing that the other Traitor Legions all get. We know they were part of the 13th Black Crusade, but between M31 and M41 what the Emp's Children have been up to is a mystery besides waging a lot of high with other CSM in the Eye of Terror.

I suspect this phenomenon attaches itself to the topic of this thread. It's understandable GW would want to keep the boobies and sex at a minimum given how many small children take part in their products, though old hard-core Slaanesh is still present in BL novels. Slaanesh tempting Talos with sex in Soul Hunter comes to mind.

Almost every Chaos legion has extremely little post heresy fluff. Can you think of any famous Death Guard battles? Night Lords?

Death Guard I see your point, in general the 4 "God Legions" seem to be the least developed oddly enough. Night Lords have a few though. Fall of Vilamus, Destruction of Grendel'S world, Scound's Fall Raid.

Farseer Mael Dannan wrote:I actually dislike Slaanesh the most of all Chaos gods. He/She is the one that you will most likely get the least out of in the end. You are going to go mad on a pleasure world at some point rather than becoming powerful and dominant over your realm. You will be lored there by your deepest desire, not making any decisions to your own fate. Like a fish on a line until you die.

Why does joining Chaos have to equal a desire for power? Personally I'd be more than happy with going mad on pleasure & perfection, I love sating my appetites & urges (in good ways), and thus for someone like me who wants to get as much happiness & enjoyment out of life, Slaanesh is perfect. Power is fleeting & never leads to happiness or fulfillment, but eternally seeking new & more exciting pleasures...sign me up!

Khorne lines up as the second worse, because while he will give you power it is extremely hard to be the one of the few followers that he chooses to give his power too. All the rest die, because blood for the blood god who cares where it came from!

Except as a warrior of the Blood God you can prove your skill & prowess, which, apart from the skulls & blood, is what Khorne wants - the best warriors fighting for him. If you're not the best then it'll be a bit of a dodgy position for you.

Tzeentch would be 2nd, as you can get a massive amount of power quite easily in the form of warp power. Shooting flames and slowing time down is always extremely useful, and even if you aren't his most beloved servant you are still likely to get a pretty good deal. Following him isn't first because you know that he is always pulling your strings, pushing and pulling you until what he wants to happen does

Tzeentch would blow my mind. You can keep the power, I can do without the headaches caused by Tzeentch's logic, plans & trickery.

Nurgle is the best, while a grotesque life from the outside people infected by Nurgles rot no longer feel pain, and feel a blissful sense of euphoria from what I've read. You are near immortal since your body is not functioning by normal means anymore. Also, Papa Nurgle loves each and everyone one of his servants, and is the most likely to bring you back from the dead to serve again.

Having worked in a hospital 'news agents' shop Nurgle appeals to me the least. Having seen & smelt the stench of infected limbs*, wounds & nasty, nasty stuff I can't stand the idea of Nurgle.

*We had one woman who came in everyday who reeked. Her foot was swollen up to three times it's normal size by the looks of it, was a mixture of black, blue & purple and stank of sweat, pus, blood & rotting flesh - how I was not sick each time is a miracle.

To respond to the OP. Yes, I agree, Slaanesh is a great Chaos God, often overlooked for the sexual connotations, although other areas such as a search for perfection, are just as valid portfolios for him. Apparently Forgeworld may be doing more Slaaneshi bits, the new daemons stuff includes some nifty Slaanesh bits, so perhaps Slaanesh is going to get a bit of a boost. I can deal with the Daemonettes not having boobs flying all over the place but I do hope Slaanesh gets some 'love', haha!, from GW.

I would never fall to Tzeentch if I lived in WH40K, convoluted plans, unsettling shapes, colours, and geometries, and he would probably turn you into chaos spawn at some point. Even if you do reach power you can never rest or you will lose the favor of Tzeentch, since if you stop with the plans and just carry out a regular, peaceful rule over a world or something your aren't changing anything, which runs counter to Tzeentch's wishes.

Also, Slaanesh offers something for everyone, pleasure for the masses, perfection for people who want to improve themselves, and like the rest of chaos, power in one form or another.

It is entirely people like you lot, who think you can "get one over" on Chaos by being "crafty" or "cunning" or who believe that there comes a point where the Ruinous Powers stop demanding more and more of you, and from you, who become the worst sorts of Heretics.

Slaanesh is and likely will always be my favourite Chaos god.

It is about breaking the laws, opening you mind to experiences and amorality. It is about the achievement of states of perfection and elevation. It is, perhaps the most alien of the 4 to understand. There are strong elements of the same in the Cenobites from the Hellraiser mythos and the Tzimisce from the Vampire: The Masquerade lore.

It's about constant states of emerging from the chrysalis, absorbing the new sensation and becoming greater and more perfect from each.

Farseer Mael Dannan wrote:I actually dislike Slaanesh the most of all Chaos gods. He/She is the one that you will most likely get the least out of in the end. You are going to go mad on a pleasure world at some point rather than becoming powerful and dominant over your realm. You will be lored there by your deepest desire, not making any decisions to your own fate. Like a fish on a line until you die.

Khorne lines up as the second worse, because while he will give you power it is extremely hard to be the one of the few followers that he chooses to give his power too. All the rest die, because blood for the blood god who cares where it came from!

Tzeentch would be 2nd, as you can get a massive amount of power quite easily in the form of warp power. Shooting flames and slowing time down is always extremely useful, and even if you aren't his most beloved servant you are still likely to get a pretty good deal. Following him isn't first because you know that he is always pulling your strings, pushing and pulling you until what he wants to happen does.

Nurgle is the best, while a grotesque life from the outside people infected by Nurgles rot no longer feel pain, and feel a blissful sense of euphoria from what I've read. You are near immortal since your body is not functioning by normal means anymore. Also, Papa Nurgle loves each and everyone one of his servants, and is the most likely to bring you back from the dead to serve again.

That makes zero sense to me.

The Chaos Gods are pretty easy to understand.

Tzeench says "do stuff for me, and I'll give you political power"

Khorne says "do stuff for me, and I'll give you physical/martial power"

Slaanesh says "do stuff for me and I'll give you pleasure"

Nurgle says "do stuff for me and I'll give you pustules and infections"

Who the hell would ever sign up for Nurgle? Keep your pustules and infections for yourself, I'll be over here with the drugs and sexy ladies.

Best? Slaanesh is best? Sorry, but if you look at the polls scattered across Dakka, you'd know Khorne and Nurgle are at the top of the popularity pyramid.

And both are popularity polls rather than actual power. Both are personal opinion.

n0t_u wrote:And both are popularity polls rather than actual power. Both are personal opinion.

Ok...but the fact remains that other three are in many ways more influential or indirectly stronger than Slaanesh. In terms of squickiness and overall power they are equal, but the other three are apparently stronger, seeing as they've been around longer.

Lynata wrote: Did anyone else wonder why the "Prince of Pleasure" byname was gone in the 6E rulebook?

its gone? that makes Eldar and Dark Eldar fluf more sily........

I like this thread...

Kaldor wrote:

Farseer Mael Dannan wrote:I actually dislike Slaanesh the most of all Chaos gods. He/She is the one that you will most likely get the least out of in the end. You are going to go mad on a pleasure world at some point rather than becoming powerful and dominant over your realm. You will be lored there by your deepest desire, not making any decisions to your own fate. Like a fish on a line until you die.

Khorne lines up as the second worse, because while he will give you power it is extremely hard to be the one of the few followers that he chooses to give his power too. All the rest die, because blood for the blood god who cares where it came from!

Tzeentch would be 2nd, as you can get a massive amount of power quite easily in the form of warp power. Shooting flames and slowing time down is always extremely useful, and even if you aren't his most beloved servant you are still likely to get a pretty good deal. Following him isn't first because you know that he is always pulling your strings, pushing and pulling you until what he wants to happen does.

Nurgle is the best, while a grotesque life from the outside people infected by Nurgles rot no longer feel pain, and feel a blissful sense of euphoria from what I've read. You are near immortal since your body is not functioning by normal means anymore. Also, Papa Nurgle loves each and everyone one of his servants, and is the most likely to bring you back from the dead to serve again.

That makes zero sense to me.

The Chaos Gods are pretty easy to understand.

Tzeench says "do stuff for me, and I'll give you political power"

Khorne says "do stuff for me, and I'll give you physical/martial power"

Slaanesh says "do stuff for me and I'll give you pleasure"

Nurgle says "do stuff for me and I'll give you pustules and infections"

Who the hell would ever sign up for Nurgle? Keep your pustules and infections for yourself, I'll be over here with the drugs and sexy ladies.

The sick and dying turn to him to feel no pain and to stave off death. Plus you wouldnt need Slaaneshs pleasures since you would be in a steady state of euphoria ALL the time.