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DeathReaper wrote:My current favorite is my most recent remix:
Plus, who doesn't love Strongbad!
Spoiler:
I had high hopes for that given that I love Strongbad. The execution was sadly terrible.
What didn't you like about it?
The cadence of the Strongbad music doesn't fit the song, and the meter on it is terrible. Perhaps it's me being a perfectionist musician. As a drummer, errors in meter and conflicts of cadence are like nails on a chalkboard.
For anyone who is aware of and understands the terminology you're using, you sound like a hopelessly elitist wannabe-muso snob. I'd advise against using the terms 'cadence' and 'meter' in future if you don't properly understand them. Just putting it out there. Take that however you like.
Albatross wrote:Uh, my choice would be 'Strawberry Fields Forever' by the Beatles. 'Nuff said.
Man, I don't even factor the Beatles into these conversations. I would then have to decide what my favorite Beatles song is, which is impossible.
Yeah... Me and a couple of my course buddies attempted to decide our top 10 favourite Beatles songs one drunken night. Negotiations were... Let's say 'fraught'.
DeathReaper wrote:My current favorite is my most recent remix:
Plus, who doesn't love Strongbad!
Spoiler:
I had high hopes for that given that I love Strongbad. The execution was sadly terrible.
That is the beauty of music. Everyone finds different things they enjoy about it. A song eithe rmoves you or it doesnt, and it is a personal thing that is often hard to explain and relate to others.
For example the song you initilly posted Aerethan sounds cheesy and pretentious to me (even masturbatory), almost Spinal Tap-esque. I can respect that you like it, but no thanks.
Technical proficiency does not always translate to emotional/artistic power imho. Some of the simplest/roughest songs can be very powerful and moving, the same way that some "masters" of their instruments drain all character/life from music in their attempt to show you all the chops they have...
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That is the beauty of music. Everyone finds different things they enjoy about it. A song eithe rmoves you or it doesnt, and it is a personal thing that is often hard to explain and relate to others.
For example the song you initilly posted Aerethan sounds cheesy and pretentious to me (even masturbatory), almost Spinal Tap-esque. I can respect that you like it, but no thanks.
Technical proficiency does not always translate to emotional/artistic power imho. Some of the simplest/roughest songs can be very powerful and moving, the same way that some "masters" of their instruments drain all character/life from music in their attempt to show you all the chops they have...
Well said CT. It was a dreamtheater song wasnt it? Some of the more 'virtuoso' performers are quite entertaining to listen to but never really moving.
While i'm here, A really rare thing is when you have a song that is danceable but sincere and written with emotion behind it. For example the work of Beatles, Abba, Michael Jackson and i suppose Queen. A modern example imo would be this overplayed but still great song. (Also goes back to CT gamer's Point, the singer is technically pretty crummy.
DeathReaper wrote:My current favorite is my most recent remix:
Plus, who doesn't love Strongbad!
Spoiler:
I had high hopes for that given that I love Strongbad. The execution was sadly terrible.
What didn't you like about it?
The cadence of the Strongbad music doesn't fit the song, and the meter on it is terrible. Perhaps it's me being a perfectionist musician. As a drummer, errors in meter and conflicts of cadence are like nails on a chalkboard.
For anyone who is aware of and understands the terminology you're using, you sound like a hopelessly elitist wannabe-muso snob. I'd advise against using the terms 'cadence' and 'meter' in future if you don't properly understand them. Just putting it out there. Take that however you like.
'Badly', would be my guess.
I will just add that most people know Alby as a singer these days, but I remember him playing the feth out of the drums when I was a young pup, and he will always be a drummer to me.
The best fething drummer I've ever watched anyway.
He is to drum kits what I am to the underwater knife fighting fraternity.
We are arming Syrian rebels who support ISIS, who is fighting Iran, who is fighting Iraq who we also support against ISIS, while fighting Kurds who we support while they are fighting Syrian rebels.
DeathReaper wrote:My current favorite is my most recent remix:
Plus, who doesn't love Strongbad!
Spoiler:
I had high hopes for that given that I love Strongbad. The execution was sadly terrible.
What didn't you like about it?
The cadence of the Strongbad music doesn't fit the song, and the meter on it is terrible. Perhaps it's me being a perfectionist musician. As a drummer, errors in meter and conflicts of cadence are like nails on a chalkboard.
For anyone who is aware of and understands the terminology you're using, you sound like a hopelessly elitist wannabe-muso snob. I'd advise against using the terms 'cadence' and 'meter' in future if you don't properly understand them. Just putting it out there. Take that however you like.
'Badly', would be my guess.
First off, who are you to say what I know about music? Do you know me? Have we discussed the matter at length? Please do not tell me what I do and do not know, unless it is your middle name or where you went to grade school. I'm not here to brag about how much I may or may not know about music. The words I used were used in proper context and referred to the proper issues with the song.
Um, I could whip out a metronome and measure the time in between strongbad bass notes to measure consistency if I really had to in order to prove that the meter was off, having been done by hand and not programmed by a computer. Odds that the person who made it have practiced music for 20 years? Probably low. I didn't say that the idea was crap, I said the execution, from a musical standpoint, was poor. With some polishing it could perhaps be a cool song, but I maintain that the strongbad "siren" sound cadence is improper for the music it is being set to. This happens a lot with mashups, and I could link a few of examples of it.
I'm not seeing how me disliking the song based on mechanical errors is elitist. The production is flawed. That isn't opinion, it is fact. I like the idea of the mashup, but the execution is sub par.
As to the points made about my song, indeed. Not all music is for everyone. I enjoy that particular song because of the complexity of what is played, particularly by the drummer. As a drummer that is what I look for in any non pop song(I've just about given up on hoping for good drums on pop music). The song isn't really emotionally moving. I appreciate it from a very different perspective as someone who likes that new Ke$ha song.
I don't think I've ever heard a song referred to as masturbatory. Interesting.
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Aerethan wrote:
First off, who are you to say what I know about music? Do you know me? Have we discussed the matter at length? Please do not tell me what I do and do not know, unless it is your middle name or where you went to grade school.
My middle name is Joseph. Another thing you don't appear to know is the correct usage of the word 'cadence'. I could have been generous and assumed you were talking about a percussive rhythmic figure such as that played by a marching band - which still would have made you factually incorrect, incidentally, as the rhythm of the superimposed piece would have been compatible had it been properly edited, which it wasn't, granted. However, the context in which you used the word 'cadence' didn't suggest that this was the point you were making In fact, this was conveniently reinforced by you here:
I maintain that the strongbad "siren" sound cadence is improper for the music it is being set to.
I honestly have no idea what you're talking about. Do you mean the interval between the notes? That's not what a cadence is, at least not within the main body of a melodic or harmonic passage. Yes, rhythmically the sampled material is out of sync; there is nothing melodically 'wrong' with it.
I'm not here to brag about how much I may or may not know about music.
It seemed like you were using certain musical terminology to beat another poster over the head with and make yourself look clever, something I object to, not least because you used the terminology incorrectly.
The words I used were used in proper context and referred to the proper issues with the song.
No, they really weren't. You're just going to have to trust me on this.
Um, I could whip out a metronome and measure the time in between strongbad bass notes to measure consistency if I really had to in order to prove that the meter was off, having been done by hand and not programmed by a computer.
The 'meter' isn't 'off' per se, (both are in 4/4, and are executed well, internally) or rather, it shouldn't matter anyway - the two pieces are just synched and edited together woefully badly.
I'm not seeing how me disliking the song based on mechanical errors is elitist.
It's not that, it's the use poseur-ish use of musical terms that sounds elitist. Don't worry, as a Dream Theatre fan you're not in the minority!
All I'm saying is, it's best to avoid it.
The production is flawed. That isn't opinion, it is fact. I like the idea of the mashup, but the execution is sub par.
No disagreement here. I would go further and say that it's absolute gak.
I don't think I've ever heard a song referred to as masturbatory. Interesting.
when guitarists (for example) showboat it is sometimes referred to as "spanking off on the guitar" ( playing as many notes as they can as fast as they can not to further the song but demonstrate their speed) hence "masturbatory"
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I don't think I've ever heard a song referred to as masturbatory. Interesting.
when guitarists (for example) showboat it is sometimes referred to as "spanking off on the guitar" ( playing as many notes as they can as fast as they can not to further the song but demonstrate their speed) hence "masturbatory"
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