Space Marines and.Imperial.Guard relations

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**Lord General Cheese**

I know that in the Ciphias Cain novels by sandy Mitchell that Commissars and guard officers liase with space marines for joint operations

**Mr Morden**

Indeed - however the tensions and difficulties of co-ordinating actions between hugely different organisations such as the Guard, Astartes, Sororitas and Mechanicus are also made clear in these and other novels

**Manchu**

Mr Morden wrote:I find the Mechanicus therories about their specfic problem quite good

I'm not catching the allusion, could you elaborate?

**Mr Morden**

Ok I'll try

Spoiler:

**acekevin8412**

I recall from the IA Badab War books that the Raven Guard successors, the Raptors, are happy to work with and the Imperial Guard to maximize mission efficiency, usually using them as auxiliary troops or distractions to their main strikes.

**Manchu**

Mr Morden wrote:Ok I'll try

Spoiler:

The Mechancius Magos says that the Iron Hands consider all flesh weak and inferior and in need of replacement in their quest for perfection. She considers taht they are trying to improve on biological perfection and so their aims are flawed and really akin to a mental illness. When the irony is pointed out to her, she says that the Mechanicus are trying to improve on their biological imperfection so thats all fine and different. There is a short piece ascribed to the Iron Hands Primarch at the beginning where he recognises the same issue and pledges to sort it out when the Heresy is finished - as he is concerend that they see his metal hands as better than flesh - wehereas he does not......... not sure how clear that all is - I thought the novel was pretty good actually

What novel is this?

**Mr Morden**

Wrath of Iron by Chris Wraight

review here:

http://www.sfsignal.com/archives/2012/05/review-wrath-of-iron-by-chris-wraight/

**Manchu**

Thanks!

**Mr Morden**

Extract from the BFG Expansion: Armada

"....High Marshall Helbrecht of the Black Templars, like many descendants of Dorn, had always prided himself on his willingness to work with other elements of the monolithic Imperial institutions......"

yeah the Allies Matrix got things sooo right, sigh

**DarthMarko**

Mr Morden wrote:Wrath of Iron by Chris Wraight

review here:

http://www.sfsignal.com/archives/2012/05/review-wrath-of-iron-by-chris-wraight/

Dude,that book was so booooorrrrring....

**Mr Morden**

Realyl - I enjoyed it - ah well different strokes