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Can't wait for that book! What are the bets that they drag it into one book per individual battle / section of the palace and all that?

Sorry - that's taking it OT

Isnt one of the twin Primarchs dead?

In one of the old White Dwarf's (Index Astartes article), after the Horus Heresy died down, Guillemann and his Ultramarines took on The Alpha Legion.

During the capaign, Guillemann fought in single combat against one of the twin Primarch's.

They stood facing off against one another, then in the same instant took a single lunge at each other with their swords/ hand weapons and stood apart. Then Alpharius(?) fell to the ground dead.

Guillemann believing that all marines fought to the codex believed that by decaitating their commander/ command structure the Alpha's would collapse before the Ultramarines might.

However he didnt reckon for the Alpha Legions independence tenacity and tactical skill on a personal/ squad/ company/ chapter scale. Instead the Ultramarines were pushed harder than ever to the point they had to quit the planet that the Alpha Legion were holding and bomb it from orbit in the hope of obliterating the remaining Alpha Legionnaires..... thus declaring an imperial victory.

So if this is correct, one of the twins is dead, however knowing the Alpha Legion, it was probably a proxy and neither twin.

It explains why the Alpha Legion have an intense hatred for the Ultramarines (besides the difference in doctrine). The short story "The long game" is an ideal example of this

I ultimately think that the Alpha Legion is loyal to humanity, but are for all intents and purposes are neither loyal to the Imperium or to Chaos. And they are not trusted by either side. They utilise any and all means to survive and to make sure that justice is kept.... if it means killing Ultramarines and their successors, so much the better .

So They are neither Imperialist or Heretical, but Independent.

IIRC gulliman killed alpharius, but it isn't certain. Some say it was Omegon or the battle never happened at all.

Alpharius is loyal to humanity, not his father which is why he ended up betraying him to help Horus, to then help himself and "save humanity."

BrotherGnaeus wrote:Alpharius is loyal to humanity, not his father which is why he ended up betraying him to help Horus, to then help himself and "save humanity."

Why do people keep posting this? We know Alpharius was contacted by the cabal and appeared to be working for them. That's fact.
What we don't know is his current affiliation, Omegon's affiliation (past and present), which twin(s) are alive and whether he actually followed the Cabal, or just appeared to.

I think the answer about the Cabal may be answered at the end of Deliverance Lost.

The Crusade was to re-unite lost human colonies and to eradicate any Xenos threat. Alien species have been said to have preyed on humanity during the Age of Darkness before the Emperor came to power and the warp storms around Terra lifted. Choosing to follow the orders/ideals of Xenos over the Emperor is clearly Treachery, and having Horus win would eventually extinguish Humanity so I'm not sure how that makes Alpharius loyal to Humanity either.

Heretic.

I still wonder what exactly the Cabal showed Alpharius/Omegon that made them believe that what they were shown was indeed the Truth. The Alpha Legion are masters of deception so they above all would have detected a lie.

No one thinks that Alphy may have sided with Horus because Horus was the only Primarch he got along with out of the few he met?

Not really. Reading Deliverance Lost gave me the impression that Alpharius/Omegon's relationship with Horus was unsteady at best.

Eiríkr wrote:Not really. Reading Deliverance Lost gave me the impression that Alpharius/Omegon's relationship with Horus was unsteady at best.

Horus & his cronies gave off a really bad vibe. The Story in the Primarchs also shows that the Alpha Legion have thier own Agenda.

Alpha Legion never joined because of his relationship with Horus, it is propably somthing more complcated

People loyal to humanity don't drown entire worlds in bloobaths of carnage, depravity, and daemon worship. The Alpha Legion does.

They're not loyal to humanity, they're loyal to the galaxy, you know, the greater good

YELLOWBLADES wrote:Alpha Legion never joined because of his relationship with Horus, it is propably somthing more complcated

Yup, it was to prove a point, that Alpharius was a badass and could beat any other legion.

However, it is not thought that Alpharius was blindly following Horus, for he seemed to have his own agenda. He relished every battle against loyalist Space Marines as the ultimate test of military skill. Again and again the Alpha Legion proved they were the match of the other legions. They started going out of their way to find Space Marine opponents, and inflicted stinging defeats on the loyalist White Scars at Tallarn, a Space Wolves company at Yarant and other legions at dozens of smaller outposts.

Even after the defeat of Horus on Terra, the Alpha Legion continued on unchecked, apparently inventing objectives with absolutely no connection to the rebellion as a whole.

He also had a grudge against the Ultramarines and Roboute Guilliman

His conduct of the battle for Tesstra brought Alpharius censure from many quarters. Roboute Guilliman is recorded as having called it "a huge waste of time, effort and the Emperor's bolt shells". .... Nevertheless, Alpharius was furious at the reaction to his Legions masterful performance.

It is possible that Alpharius deliberately sought out the Ultramarines, that he wished to confront Roboute Guilliman in battle and prove the superiority of his tactics.

Well GW has stated that everything is canon and nothing is canon

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King Pariah wrote:They're not loyal to humanity, they're loyal to the galaxy, you know, the greater good

I am certain the galaxy will be glad when the already barely contained, green tide of orkdom washes over it.