Where are all the Black Templars

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**AlmightyWalrus**

phantommaster wrote:
Lobukia wrote:BT need a significant look. I want to see that fearless, zealot anger brought. Maybe a +1 to DTW, crusade and rage as USR, and a boost to the EC stats.

That being said, I think all of this can be done in about 20 pages of extra stuff (fluff, rules, units, the whole 9 yards). I have well of 2k of BT and I love their theme more than any other, but I don't NEED a stand alone codex. Done right, they can be totally awesome and still be folded into a WD double issue or SM codex.

Am I worried my Hospitallers is space might get screwed? Yeah, I am. But if that happens, I'll just beg my local club to let me run the old dex, which may not be great, but is still really good.

Hey man, check the FAQ.

'Accept Any Challenge, No Matter the Odds' now gives the entire army - bar Neophytes - the special rule Rage.

Which replaced the infinitely better Preferred Enemy in Close Combat.

**kronk**

I'm pretty sure we'll still have our own codex. They aren't likely to stop selling the Black Templar. It wouldn't make much sense for them to stop selling a book. I'm doubtful that it will be soon, but perhaps the end of next year. We shall see.

If they roll them into the Space Marine codex, so be it. I'll adjust and make due.

**wererat**

I dunno..I think they will have a new codex. I'm not really sure who else would get the two new usr zealot and crusader.

**Amanax**

AlmightyWalrus wrote:
phantommaster wrote:
Lobukia wrote:BT need a significant look. I want to see that fearless, zealot anger brought. Maybe a +1 to DTW, crusade and rage as USR, and a boost to the EC stats.

That being said, I think all of this can be done in about 20 pages of extra stuff (fluff, rules, units, the whole 9 yards). I have well of 2k of BT and I love their theme more than any other, but I don't NEED a stand alone codex. Done right, they can be totally awesome and still be folded into a WD double issue or SM codex.

Am I worried my Hospitallers is space might get screwed? Yeah, I am. But if that happens, I'll just beg my local club to let me run the old dex, which may not be great, but is still really good.

Hey man, check the FAQ.

'Accept Any Challenge, No Matter the Odds' now gives the entire army - bar Neophytes - the special rule Rage.

Which replaced the infinitely better Preferred Enemy in Close Combat.

In a vacuum, I would agree with you. But consider that with a chaplain in the squad, you still get the best of both worlds, and as our Champion can no longer be our lone HQ, may as well take a chaplain with a thunder hammer and throw him in your hardest hitting squad.

**AlmightyWalrus**

Amanax wrote:
AlmightyWalrus wrote:
phantommaster wrote:
Lobukia wrote:BT need a significant look. I want to see that fearless, zealot anger brought. Maybe a +1 to DTW, crusade and rage as USR, and a boost to the EC stats.

That being said, I think all of this can be done in about 20 pages of extra stuff (fluff, rules, units, the whole 9 yards). I have well of 2k of BT and I love their theme more than any other, but I don't NEED a stand alone codex. Done right, they can be totally awesome and still be folded into a WD double issue or SM codex.

Am I worried my Hospitallers is space might get screwed? Yeah, I am. But if that happens, I'll just beg my local club to let me run the old dex, which may not be great, but is still really good.

Hey man, check the FAQ.

'Accept Any Challenge, No Matter the Odds' now gives the entire army - bar Neophytes - the special rule Rage.

Which replaced the infinitely better Preferred Enemy in Close Combat.

In a vacuum, I would agree with you. But consider that with a chaplain in the squad, you still get the best of both worlds, and as our Champion can no longer be our lone HQ, may as well take a chaplain with a thunder hammer and throw him in your hardest hitting squad.

That's the one instance where Rage beats out Preferred Enemy. PE also lasts after the first turn and works even if you get charged. It's not just better in a vacuum, it's better.

**J99Pwrangler**

But I think if Templars still had Preffered enemy, we would become a shooty army. Cause PE now lets your re-roll for shooting and CC, if you roll a 1. I would love to have that for all my Typhoons, assault cannons, and cyclone ML.

**Jefffar**

I think the relative scarcity of the BT in the BYB (the SoB got more ink) might be a sign that at the time of the books writing they were still working on their plans for BT and not sure what form those would take.

**d3m01iti0n**

Big rumor floating around now concerns some things Phil Kelly said at GD. Upcoming HH book will feature Sigismund and the split of BT and CF from IF. BT is getting update FAQd along with everybody else but will be getting a Codex down the road. No squatting, no rolling.

**kronk**

d3m01iti0n wrote:Big rumor floating around now concerns some things Phil Kelly said at GD. Upcoming HH book will feature Sigismund and the split of BT and CF from IF. BT is getting update FAQd along with everybody else but will be getting a Codex down the road. No squatting, no rolling.

You must mean the HH Imperial Armor books that Forge World will be releasing.

The HH Black Library books aren't anywhere NEAR the splitting of the legions. That happened years after the Assault on Terra.

**AlmightyWalrus**

J99Pwrangler wrote:But I think if Templars still had Preffered enemy, we would become a shooty army. Cause PE now lets your re-roll for shooting and CC, if you roll a 1. I would love to have that for all my Typhoons, assault cannons, and cyclone ML.

Black Templars got PE in close combat (which is why that's what I wrote, strangely enough). The Codex explicitly says this.

**J99Pwrangler**

J99Pwrangler wrote:
But I think if Templars still had Preffered enemy, we would become a shooty army. Cause PE now lets your re-roll for shooting and CC, if you roll a 1. I would love to have that for all my Typhoons, assault cannons, and cyclone ML.

Black Templars got PE in close combat (which is why that's what I wrote, strangely enough). The Codex explicitly says this.

Yes, in 5th Ed, and you could re-roll all misses in CC. But didnt 6th ed make it for shooting as well as close combat, but just to re-roll 1's?

**kronk**

J99Pwrangler wrote:
J99Pwrangler wrote:
But I think if Templars still had Preffered enemy, we would become a shooty army. Cause PE now lets your re-roll for shooting and CC, if you roll a 1. I would love to have that for all my Typhoons, assault cannons, and cyclone ML.

Black Templars got PE in close combat (which is why that's what I wrote, strangely enough). The Codex explicitly says this.

Yes, in 5th Ed, and you could re-roll all misses in CC. But didnt 6th ed make it for shooting as well as close combat, but just to re-roll 1's?

6th edition did make the Preferred Enemy universal rule good with shooting and assaulting.

However, the BT codex is very specific that they ONLY had PE in close combat. That's a very distinct difference. However, the argument is academic with the 6th Edition FAQ. You get the new Rage universal rule now with the "Accept Any Challenge" vow.

**J99Pwrangler**

Ahh, ok... I did not know this. But, it doesnt matter unless you get the warlord trait to give you PE anyways....

**Amanax**

AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Amanax wrote:
AlmightyWalrus wrote:
phantommaster wrote:
Lobukia wrote:BT need a significant look. I want to see that fearless, zealot anger brought. Maybe a +1 to DTW, crusade and rage as USR, and a boost to the EC stats.

That being said, I think all of this can be done in about 20 pages of extra stuff (fluff, rules, units, the whole 9 yards). I have well of 2k of BT and I love their theme more than any other, but I don't NEED a stand alone codex. Done right, they can be totally awesome and still be folded into a WD double issue or SM codex.

Am I worried my Hospitallers is space might get screwed? Yeah, I am. But if that happens, I'll just beg my local club to let me run the old dex, which may not be great, but is still really good.

Hey man, check the FAQ.

'Accept Any Challenge, No Matter the Odds' now gives the entire army - bar Neophytes - the special rule Rage.

Which replaced the infinitely better Preferred Enemy in Close Combat.

In a vacuum, I would agree with you. But consider that with a chaplain in the squad, you still get the best of both worlds, and as our Champion can no longer be our lone HQ, may as well take a chaplain with a thunder hammer and throw him in your hardest hitting squad.

That's the one instance where Rage beats out Preferred Enemy. PE also lasts after the first turn and works even if you get charged. It's not just better in a vacuum, it's better.

Given that Preferred enemy isn't as good as it once was for the Templars (We would get to re-roll ones in Close combat, yippee?) I would personally rather have rage + chaplain. If it was the old preferred enemy, then yeah, I'd be upset. The new one just doesn't cut it for me though.

**AlmightyWalrus**

Amanax wrote:
AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Amanax wrote:
AlmightyWalrus wrote:
phantommaster wrote:
Lobukia wrote:BT need a significant look. I want to see that fearless, zealot anger brought. Maybe a +1 to DTW, crusade and rage as USR, and a boost to the EC stats.

That being said, I think all of this can be done in about 20 pages of extra stuff (fluff, rules, units, the whole 9 yards). I have well of 2k of BT and I love their theme more than any other, but I don't NEED a stand alone codex. Done right, they can be totally awesome and still be folded into a WD double issue or SM codex.

Am I worried my Hospitallers is space might get screwed? Yeah, I am. But if that happens, I'll just beg my local club to let me run the old dex, which may not be great, but is still really good.

Hey man, check the FAQ.

'Accept Any Challenge, No Matter the Odds' now gives the entire army - bar Neophytes - the special rule Rage.

Which replaced the infinitely better Preferred Enemy in Close Combat.

In a vacuum, I would agree with you. But consider that with a chaplain in the squad, you still get the best of both worlds, and as our Champion can no longer be our lone HQ, may as well take a chaplain with a thunder hammer and throw him in your hardest hitting squad.

That's the one instance where Rage beats out Preferred Enemy. PE also lasts after the first turn and works even if you get charged. It's not just better in a vacuum, it's better.

Given that Preferred enemy isn't as good as it once was for the Templars (We would get to re-roll ones in Close combat, yippee?) I would personally rather have rage + chaplain. If it was the old preferred enemy, then yeah, I'd be upset. The new one just doesn't cut it for me though.

The new PE is just as good (literally) as Rage on the charge for everything except Power Fists, where it's something like .05 wounds behind against MEQ. It also isn't dependant on you charging.

**Amanax**

While true, with the number of LRC we can bring to the field, I don't usually have that big of an issue with the charge though. So for me, it's better to have the best of both worlds, versus neither (like it was pre-fifth). But hey, it's all good, at least compared to the other terrible changes, like the fact we can't use our Champion as a lone commander, so we have a minimum 100 point tax on our army just to play a game above 750 points (Which really hurts, if you are playing a 750 game btw).

**simplexcity**

BTNeophyte wrote:We are currently launching a crusade at GW HQ to punish them for this slight on our honor

Ignore all heretical sayings that Templars do not deserve a codex.

No Pity, No Remorse, No Fear, Brother

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for all the posts, both on rules and lore

Wardragoon wrote:
jordanis wrote:
Wardragoon wrote:
simplexcity wrote:i remember high marshal helbrecht being the front standing character on the splash page of GW as long as i can remember.
but i think the fact that they are a fleet based marine chapter with no home world of unknown numbers who dont specificly follow the codex astartes sets them apart from other chapters.. and especially their mixed troops. and dont forget they found those landraiders
altho i guess the fact that they are secound founding.. you could consider them a lesser chapter, but only to imperial fist!

also love the whole chained weapon look. vowing never to lay down their arms and give up the crusade. which i also hear is a tradition taken from the world eaters...

more of my WIP black templars that need some love...

I think I have that center BT, what on earth was supposed to go in his right hand?

its a kitbash of the AOBR captain and some wings and a hood...he is supposed to have a powersword

Ah, now for the million dollar question, why do people break that arm off O.o

and yeah, that middle one is going to be a fancy marshall. i used his sword on another guy. Hes the captain from AOBR (my first kit) and a dark angel head, and blood angel wings. not sure what im going to give him for his right hand. i was thinking lightning claw, but now im not sure. im keeping the bolter cos its fancy lookin.. maybe hed look good with a huge hammer, or chainfist..