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I've used double Bargelords, and it worked alright.
I've used double lords with warrior mobs, and it too has worked alright.
My next tourney, I'm going to be using a single destroyer lord with my wraiths.

IMHO, the characters aren't really worth their points. Cool tricks, but they aren't game winning tricks anymore.

Two points first:

a) Thanks a lot for your reply. I really appreciate it!

b) Don't get me wrong. Reading my own posts, I get the idea of you having the idea (inception, huh?) I consider Szeras bad...while he certainly isn't. His ability can be really strong. I fielded him a few times too in lower point games and a unit of 10 Immortals with T5 truly lives up to its name. I simply got stuck on the bad choice of +1S.

So far :=)

ShadarLogoth wrote:

Sigvatr...I addressed multiple pieces of your post, I'm not entirely sure what makes you think I didn't address or read something. You stated that I2 was really bad, then went on to make some assumptions based on I2 being bad that simply weren't true. S5 FC/CA Tesla Immortals would be more then a match for most bog standard troops in CC. To suggest that they couldn't take out Tactical marines was just silly.

Oh, they certainly could, with some lucky rolling, but on average, they will lose to them because the Tacticals may strike first and are likely to have a Sergeant among their ranks. If he challenges, you lose Szeras and if you don't, you lose up on his 4 attacks. Give the (pretty much) exact same profile, Immortals are likely to lose the fight. The "not read my post?" part referred to you saying sth. about 3++ etc. - and I clearly adressed these guys before, stating that such an enemy does not care for S4 AP- attacks at all.

You also mentioned I2 being an achilles when they lose assault and fail the leadership roll. Sure, that's absolutely true. But they have LD 10, and between your X times 2 S5 attacks, and the damage from a Warscythe lord(and MSS)+Anrakyr or Phaeron Overlord if the case may be, their quite simply aren't many things out there that your are afraid of losing CC too. And if you are, you can still backpedal them until you get to the point that you aren't, in which case the S5 will still be valuable. Again, to say its useless or worthless is simply not true.

Well, we suddenly have an Overlord in this unit too? I was under the assumption that we discussed a unit solely consisting of Szeras as in lower point games, I don't think it's likely to have 2 HQ (which you'll need in order to get Lords too). Valid point about LD 10, which is likely to become a test on LD 8 and thus likely to be passed - though on average, they are still going to lose due to getting less attacks in than e.g. Tacs.

Yes, it certainly isn't useless. Misstatement on my part there. I just consider it the choice that's a clear miss because you did not take him for the S bonus, you took him for a 66% chance to get a really useful bonus (let's face it, a blob of Warriors with BS 5 is ridiculous) - and an ability that's worth 30-55 points (depending on how you rate the bonus attacks and the bonus wound) better be damn useful imo. I'd never pay 30 points for +1S, but +1 BF or T? Maybe.

A lot of people seem to be of the opinion that necron units are so bad in CC that the various buffs you can give them will never be worth it.

This is often based on the assumption that they are being assaulted by a dedicated assault unit at full strength.

This isnt the way games play out though.
While you may fail to stop a CC unit reaching your lines, you will probably have done some damage to it. A mob of Orks that has been shot up will not give up and wait to die just because they no longer have the numbers to reliably wipe their target, they will charge in anyway and hope for the best.

Also a non dedicated CC unit may assault necrons if they think they stand a better chance in CC than in a fire fight.


Its in these, quite common, situations that the various deffensive CC buffs tip the odds in Necrons favour.

Not saying its the best but my cousin uses a NL with a scythe MSS and a 2+ with 3++. he also has him running around with 5 lychguard with warsythes.....he always manages to get them into my lines some how and they ALWAYS just absolutely wreck face!!!!!!

just my 2cents