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I'll take Sikhs over anything China has any day.

Just send Sikh Regiments and Tibetan Monks to the borders and China will never cross.

Mountain Pass fight. Neither China nor India willing to do a meat grinder strairght up fight for a pass......airborne troops all the way to seize the other end of the pass. The killer of it be the harsh condition both have to fight in. Itscold up in them mountains...might cold

But what if the Chinese respond by sending elite regiments of Kung Fu Pandas?

But what if the Chinese respond by sending elite regiments of Kung Fu Pandas?

They finally figure out how to get the panda's to ignore bamboo thickets?

That map near the beginning of the thread reminded me a lot of this on about the Greater Japanese Co Prosperity Sphere.


So maybe this one is the Chinese not so far flung version?

Melissia wrote:They ate them up, too, with something along the lines of a twenty to one casualty ratio (or fifty to one, if you include non-combat casualties).

And after my uncle's platoon was overrun he survived, but was crazy ever after. Dad would talk about a lot of things, but never Korea. Never Korea.


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dogma wrote:

BaronIveagh wrote:
China took over Tibet years ago to pave the way for a ground war with India.

They may find it difficult to fight a ground war over the Himalayas.

Japanese trained sherpa Ninjas!!!

I hear that Fraz. My Grandather was one of very few survivors and has only talked about it twice that I know of. And both times he got crazy drunk first. Was your uncle a marine?

dogma wrote:
They may find it difficult to fight a ground war over the Himalayas.

Tibet contains major passes through the Himalayas, and unlike Nepal (now a Maoist country), had a boarder with China. Further, China has been building rail lines and road systems throughout Tibet, as well as a few major military depots.

There's speculation that some of the depots in Tibet may in fact be Soviet style non vertical ICBM launch systems for a nuclear decapitation first strike. I think this says all that needs to be said.

My International politics fu might be weak, but wouldn't the next big brawl be between Pakistan vs India instead of China vs India? What does China want in India?

BaronIveagh wrote:
Tibet contains major passes through the Himalayas...

Indeed it does, but this is 2012, even India has reconnaissance aircraft and satellites that turn those passes into choke points.

BaronIveagh wrote:
...and unlike Nepal (now a Maoist country)...

Nepal is not Maoist. Its PM is Maoist, but the country is not.

BaronIveagh wrote:
There's speculation that some of the depots in Tibet may in fact be Soviet style non vertical ICBM launch systems for a nuclear decapitation first strike. I think this says all that needs to be said.

Which has nothing to do with a land war.

dogma wrote:
Which has nothing to do with a land war.

You do know they come in an exciting new 'tactical' flavor rather then just plain old boring 'strategic', right?

You mention ICBM which is stratigic. Tactical nukes are different

BaronIveagh wrote:
You do know they come in an exciting new 'tactical' flavor rather then just plain old boring 'strategic', right?

But they're still deployed via air, or strategic, forces. The age of nuclear torpedoes and nuclear artillery is long gone.

Jihadin wrote:You mention ICBM which is stratigic. Tactical nukes are different

Granted, however, the launch setups I referred to also can handle things like cruise missile launches. IIRC they look like huge ass railroad turn tables inside, with the item being launched taken from the magazine and moved to a correct facing on the table.

dogma wrote:
But they're still deployed via air, or strategic, forces. The age of nuclear torpedoes and nuclear artillery is long gone.

Well, I've never seen anyone use a torpedo in a mountain pass besides a bangalore, so that would be a new one. However, neither one of us have any idea what the Chinese have in those mountains, so it's entirely possible the Chinese still do have a few nuclear artillery shells laying around.

Either way, isn't that off topic? We're talking about the south china sea conflict, which hasn't become hostile but might if China continues its aggressive land-grab.

More of a naval matter than a ground war.

WHy we're talking Japan rearming itself to counter China

Hulksmash wrote:I hear that Fraz. My Grandather was one of very few survivors and has only talked about it twice that I know of. And both times he got crazy drunk first. Was your uncle a marine?

Both of them were.


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dogma wrote:

BaronIveagh wrote:
Tibet contains major passes through the Himalayas...

Indeed it does, but this is 2012, even India has reconnaissance aircraft and satellites that turn those passes into choke points.

BaronIveagh wrote:
...and unlike Nepal (now a Maoist country)...

Nepal is not Maoist. Its PM is Maoist, but the country is not.

BaronIveagh wrote:
There's speculation that some of the depots in Tibet may in fact be Soviet style non vertical ICBM launch systems for a nuclear decapitation first strike. I think this says all that needs to be said.

Which has nothing to do with a land war.

Worse to worse drop a nuke into the pass and make it impassible?

Frazzled wrote:
Worse to worse drop a nuke into the pass and make it impassible?

No! Don't! Radioactive, laser-eye kung-fu pandas! The horror!

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Frazzled wrote:
Worse to worse drop a nuke into the pass and make it impassible?

No! Don't! Radioactive, laser-eye kung-fu pandas! The horror!

They could hit them with 1,000,000 of those rickety almost eyewateringly bright wooden trucks so common in India and Pakistan. No army borne could handle that.

I think Japan all ready has a pretty big defense force.

It's called the US.

Jihadin wrote:WHy we're talking Japan rearming itself to counter China

Done and done....they rearmed quite a while ago. They have a large hi-tech navy/airforce/army

And they have US support as well, and a very high budget for their army.

Not to mention they just developed this,

And they have Godzilla. You can't forget about Godzilla. After all, Godzilla may attack Tokyo every three to five years, but only HE gets to attack Tokyo.

"HO! Its Godzilla!"
"I'll alert Tokyo for the monthly evacuation."
"No, he's attacking...Beijing!?!??"
"Ok, I'll just make some tea then."

Frazzled wrote:And they have Godzilla. You can't forget about Godzilla. After all, Godzilla may attack Tokyo every three to five years, but only HE gets to attack Tokyo.

"HO! Its Godzilla!"
"I'll alert Tokyo for the monthly evacuation."
"No, he's attacking...Beijing!?!??"
"Ok, I'll just make some tea then."

They say he's got to go.

Current japanese military forces has no foot print. Its a defense force. How is the "Defense" force suppose to project power in SCS? Also remember in a few more yrs the US Navy will be mothballing quite a few ships limiting our "projection of power" oceanwide.

Yeah, but those ships are getting replaced and existing ships will be undergoing retrofits.

The Railgun will also be ready in a few years. It'll bring ship to ship bombardment back, that can't be intercepted. It eliminates a key flaw in our current missile based combat technology.

Grey Templar wrote:Yeah, but those ships are getting replaced and existing ships will be undergoing retrofits.

The Railgun will also be ready in a few years. It'll bring ship to ship bombardment back, that can't be intercepted. It eliminates a key flaw in our current missile based combat technology.

Sounds like it also makes carrier fleets obsolete...

In ship to ship combat yeah, but they'll be invaluable for air to precision ground strikes and troop deployments.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/story/2012-01-26/panetta-military-defense-cuts/52805056/1

Railguns need to come on line a bit faster