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Ah, Oil, troops and politics. What would the world be without you?



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-19135427

Boring?

China WOULD claim that huge amount of territory.

They claim that the US is aggressive, but damn.

Melissia wrote:China WOULD claim that huge amount of territory.

They claim that the US is aggressive, but damn.

Yeah, well, it's only aggression when people you don't like do it.

Lol, China's being a little greedy.

Perhaps someone should show a map of US involvement in South America since WW2, or in other parts of the world for that matter? Ah, the joys of political relativism.

The US needs to STFU in this regard, and worry about its own problems.

Oh, it's perfectly fine for the UK to be protective of allies well outside of its own physical territory, but it's not okay for the US to protect the sovereignty and territory of its trading partners.

Pacific wrote:Perhaps someone should show a map of US involvement in South America since WW2, or in other parts of the world for that matter? Ah, the joys of political relativism.

The US needs to STFU in this regard, and worry about its own problems.

The US, last I checked, didn't claim to own South America. (Meddle in it's affairs constantly, sure)


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Melissia wrote:Oh, it's perfectly fine for the UK to be protective of allies well outside of its own physical territory, but it's not okay for the US to protect the sovereignty and territory of its trading partners.

More interestingly, it's OK for the UK to invade sovereign nations and force them to allow British interests to peddle dangerous narcotics.

Melissia wrote:Oh, it's perfectly fine for the UK to be protective of allies well outside of its own physical territory, but it's not okay for the US to protect the sovereignty and territory of its trading partners.

Considering the US gave the Falkland situation any kind of legitimacy this time around they can apparently do both at the same time...

The US needs to STFU in this regard, and worry about its own problems.

US shouldn't be worry about the Straight of Homuz then.

Also in bold top of article below title

China has summoned a senior US diplomat in a dispute over the South China Sea.

Jihadin wrote:
China has summoned a senior US diplomat in a dispute over the South China Sea.

Yeah, because how dare the state department say that landing troops is inflaming the situation. Don't they know that landing a 5,000 man 'Funsize' battalion is just China's way of greeting the neighbors?

BaronIveagh wrote:

Jihadin wrote:
China has summoned a senior US diplomat in a dispute over the South China Sea.

Yeah, because how dare the state department say that landing troops is inflaming the situation. Don't they know that landing a 5,000 man 'Funsize' battalion is just China's way of greeting the neighbors?

Funsized battalions are the best sized battalions...
Apart from party sized...

purplefood wrote:
Apart from party sized...

I seem to recall the US X corps receiving a party sized at Chosin Resevoir...

They ate them up, too, with something along the lines of a twenty to one casualty ratio (or fifty to one, if you include non-combat casualties).

Melissia wrote:They ate them up, too, with something along the lines of a twenty to one casualty ratio (or fifty to one, if you include non-combat casualties).

"Retreat Hell! We're just attacking in another direction."

I've been saying for years that the South China Sea dispute is most likely going to cause a major war in the future. Always nice when a country seeks to seize control of international waters and screw the global economy.

BaronIveagh wrote:
More interestingly, it's OK for the UK to invade sovereign nations and force them to allow British interests to peddle dangerous narcotics.

Nope. Not sure where you get that idea from.

Melissia wrote:Oh, it's perfectly fine for the UK to be protective of allies well outside of its own physical territory, but it's not okay for the US to protect the sovereignty and territory of its trading partners.

That would be...China?

Good to see the US standing up to China anyway. Hopefully in future we'll hear the Japanese speaking up a bit more. The West has suppressed Japanese militarism too much, we could do with some of that in the Far East right now.

Japan has no Emperor so that fanacticalism not there.

It takes no emperor to make people fanatical.

Jihadin wrote:Japan has no Emperor so that fanacticalism not there.

Say Whhhhhhaaaaaat?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akihito

Is he in power though.................the mentality of the japanese is not the same as it was in '45.

Oh no. He's like the Queen of England. He doesn't really have any political power anymore. The Japanese royal family is (as I understand it) popular among the Japanese. He's not looked on as divine much anymore but he's still a guy people look up to.

That said, the Emperor didn't have political power before 1945 either. Always the puppet never the master as they say

Can you imagine the japanese military fanacticalism with today tactics and tech

Japan really needs to be allowed to rebuild its military forces, especially its Navy. Ideally, Japan, India, South Korea, and Australia should have enough military might in the Far East that China won't say boo.

Jihadin wrote:Is he in power though.................the mentality of the japanese is not the same as it was in '45.

Japan is more than Tokyo. It is a very old fashioned country, in a way that few outside really understand. Tradition is big there.


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Amaya wrote:Japan really needs to be allowed to rebuild its military forces, especially its Navy. Ideally, Japan, India, South Korea, and Australia should have enough military might in the Far East that China won't say boo.

India will have its own agenda. Korea, Japan, Indonesia and Australia combined don't have half of China's manpower, or anything like its economic might.
Guess it's up to uncle Sam

I think a revived Japanese military could at least give China pause before they attempt any aggressive expansion.

India will hopefully speed up its development and turn into a superpower so the US can ignore Asia and let India and China slug each other out.

India and China are likely going to go at it with one another sooner or later. India, while not as invested as others, doesn't want China to seize the SCS, and they get less attention but they're on the upswing too. Tibet is another area of contention for China and India, as is most of SE Asia.

Japan has the economic ability to, allied with others, pose as a deterrent to Chinese expansion. Had an interesting paper to read where the author argued one reason China is so aggressive about the SCS is that Japane is the only other (parable) economic power in the region but has no military, and thus couldn't oppose the move.

Amaya wrote:I think a revived Japanese military could at least give China pause before they attempt any aggressive expansion.

India will hopefully speed up its development and turn into a superpower so the US can ignore Asia and let India and China slug each other out.

China took over Tibet years ago to pave the way for a ground war with India. Sadly, now both are Nuclear powers.

Of course, nukes might be just the ticket to win a land war in Asia...


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Jihadin wrote:Can you imagine the japanese military fanacticalism with today tactics and tech

Yes, yes I can, and I get a big smile every time I do.


That said, underestimating tradition in Japan is like underestimating heat on the surface of the Sun.

BaronIveagh wrote:
China took over Tibet years ago to pave the way for a ground war with India.

They may find it difficult to fight a ground war over the Himalayas.