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No, to the 2 armed law enforcement agencies the NOAA is responsible for.

This will blow your minds - the NOAA also owns (well, shared) a Global Hawk unmanned drone.

d-usa wrote:http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/ole/ole_about.html

Kool!

We're gettin more like a facist state every day!

Way to go Nixon!!


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Ouze wrote:No, to the 2 armed law enforcement agencies the NOAA is responsible for.

This will blow your minds - the NOAA also owns (well, shared) a Global Hawk unmanned drone.

They share it with a few agencies, old nooz.

d-usa wrote:I am glad that for all the work NOAA does, the only thing people know about is "they predict the weather". I wouldn't expect to know infowars to be aware that there are legitimate reasons for NOAA to have bullets if they don't know that they do a lot more than that.

Still not seeing the legtimacy. There are other departments for that. This is duplication of effort in crazy land.

Ouze wrote:I have a friend who worked at the IRS. You most definitely do not get to carry a gun just by virtue of said employment, other then what a normal citizen would have, at least at the IRS. He did have the right to carry one since he was in an enforcement capacity, but chose not to.

His previous job was as a beta tester for Nintendo, which he hated. He's had some weird employment.

I actually work at the IRS, they are too smart to give all the employees guns... Criminal Investigators do have the option to carry side arms, but not as mentioned above, all Willie nilly and such. I am fairly certain they have to check their side arms if they are traveling, just like anyone else, its just a lot less paperwork because they carry as part of their official duty.

Secondly, its a little different with government organizations on where money comes from. Know where the IRS is housed budget wise? You guessed it, the Department of Agriculture!

Edit: by mentioned above I was referring to the post someone put about IRS agents carrying wherever they want with no checks, not to Ouze's post that I quoted :-)

Frazzled wrote:

d-usa wrote:I am glad that for all the work NOAA does, the only thing people know about is "they predict the weather". I wouldn't expect to know infowars to be aware that there are legitimate reasons for NOAA to have bullets if they don't know that they do a lot more than that.

Still not seeing the legtimacy. There are other departments for that. This is duplication of effort in crazy land.

They have to be able to shoot wienderdogs that run into federal water and try to catch fish there

While weather is a well knowm part of NOAA's responsibilities there are numerous branches within NOAA thay serve law enforcement and even military purposes. Seriously, 10 min on wiki will see why this story is a bunch of ignorant hand waving. NOAA is more than just the weather.

ITS still stupid. Thats like giving NASA abunch of guns to go after duck hunters.

Er..they don't do they?

Frazzled wrote:ITS still stupid. Thats like giving NASA abunch of guns to go after duck hunters.

Er..they don't do they?

Frazzled, now you are just being a troll.

We both know they have the guns to protect us from the aliens. Space is their territory.

d-usa wrote:

Frazzled wrote:ITS still stupid. Thats like giving NASA abunch of guns to go after duck hunters.

Er..they don't do they?

Frazzled, now you are just being a troll.

We both know they have the guns to protect us from the aliens. Space is their territory.

True Dat. I forgot. Electrolytes from the Eighth Dimension!

Frazzled wrote:ITS still stupid. Thats like giving NASA abunch of guns to go after duck hunters.

Er..they don't do they?

Only on Mars.

NASA has no pervue for ducks. NOAA has duties for the Ocean and many of the things that go on there. Different branches can share an area of interest but have differing duties and jurisdictions. We dont use the US Navy to go after illegal fishing groups after all...

Is it 100% efficient? Of coursr not. No form of government is. But NOAA has its jobs and duties and pretending they only do one thing and hand waving about their purchases is ludicrous and disingenuous.

d-usa wrote:I am glad that for all the work NOAA does, the only thing people know about is "they predict the weather".

Even fewer people know that the NOAA also CONTROLS the weather!!!

streamdragon wrote:NASA has no pervue for ducks

NASA, at least at the Johnson Space Center, is more interested in deer. There are several dozen deer on-site.

Here is one of their yearly reminders that they distribute to the workers on site. I used to live 3 miles from there and drove on NASA Rd 1 as part of my daily commute. I'd see these deer all of the time running around in the field out front...

streamdragon wrote:NASA has no pervue for ducks. NOAA has duties for the Ocean and many of the things that go on there. Different branches can share an area of interest but have differing duties and jurisdictions. We dont use the US Navy to go after illegal fishing groups after all...

Is it 100% efficient? Of coursr not. No form of government is. But NOAA has its jobs and duties and pretending they only do one thing and hand waving about their purchases is ludicrous and disingenuous.

Maybe not the Navy, but certainly the Coast Guard goes after ocean poachers...

streamdragon wrote:NASA has no pervue for ducks. NOAA has duties for the Ocean and many of the things that go on there. Different branches can share an area of interest but have differing duties and jurisdictions. We dont use the US Navy to go after illegal fishing groups after all...

Is it 100% efficient? Of coursr not. No form of government is. But NOAA has its jobs and duties and pretending they only do one thing and hand waving about their purchases is ludicrous and disingenuous.

Nonsense. How many other agencies are also doing the same thing? (evidently at least the Coast Guard as noted above).
Also NASA handles the atmosphere, therefore it has federal jurisdiction over ducks. Send out the Spetznatz!

streamdragon wrote:Is it 100% efficient? Of coursr not. No form of government is. But NOAA has its jobs and duties and pretending they only do one thing and hand waving about their purchases is ludicrous and disingenuous.

bs. Im tired of the government wasting $$ on duplication of effort. Id love an audit of the Fed. Im tired of every department thinking they need to have a SWAT team of their own. It's really gotten out of hand.

Spacemanvic wrote:

streamdragon wrote:Is it 100% efficient? Of coursr not. No form of government is. But NOAA has its jobs and duties and pretending they only do one thing and hand waving about their purchases is ludicrous and disingenuous.

bs. Im tired of the government wasting $$ on duplication of effort. Id love an audit of the Fed.

I'd like an undercover audit of all of the local strip clubs for seeing if they are following the 3' rule in the VIP sections and volunteer my time for this worthy cause...

kronk wrote:

Spacemanvic wrote:

streamdragon wrote:Is it 100% efficient? Of coursr not. No form of government is. But NOAA has its jobs and duties and pretending they only do one thing and hand waving about their purchases is ludicrous and disingenuous.

bs. Im tired of the government wasting $$ on duplication of effort. Id love an audit of the Fed.

I'd like an undercover audit of all of the local strip clubs for seeing if they are following the 3' rule in the VIP sections and volunteer my time for this worthy cause...

If thats where your money goes. I pay taxes, I dont want to see it wasted. So far, thats all government is proving it's good for.

kronk wrote:

Spacemanvic wrote:

streamdragon wrote:Is it 100% efficient? Of coursr not. No form of government is. But NOAA has its jobs and duties and pretending they only do one thing and hand waving about their purchases is ludicrous and disingenuous.

bs. Im tired of the government wasting $$ on duplication of effort. Id love an audit of the Fed.

I'd like an undercover audit of all of the local strip clubs for seeing if they are following the 3' rule in the VIP sections and volunteer my time for this worthy cause...

Agreed, and seeing how audits require multiple sources of results as to remain unbiased and to prove results are not tainted by one specific test site, I will join you in the audit and also volunteer.

Thats not very many rounds....

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Spacemanvic wrote:

streamdragon wrote:Is it 100% efficient? Of coursr not. No form of government is. But NOAA has its jobs and duties and pretending they only do one thing and hand waving about their purchases is ludicrous and disingenuous.

bs. Im tired of the government wasting $$ on duplication of effort. Id love an audit of the Fed.

I'd like an undercover audit of all of the local strip clubs for seeing if they are following the 3' rule in the VIP sections and volunteer my time for this worthy cause...

I think the Wife might object.

Spacemanvic wrote:
If thats where your money goes. I pay taxes, I dont want to see it wasted. So far, thats all government is proving it's good for.

That's called stimulus spending.

kronk wrote:

Spacemanvic wrote:
I'd like an undercover audit of all of the local strip clubs for seeing if they are following the 3' rule in the VIP sections and volunteer my time for this worthy cause...

There's a 3' rule?

Supposedly. I've only been once (a friend's bachelor party) and if there is a 3' rule, it certainly wasn't in effect that night...

See, this is why I come to Dakka for my news. I get all the regular news -politics, world happenings etc.- but I also get rabid beavers and hollow point packin' weathermen!

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Ouze wrote:

KalashnikovMarine wrote:The IRS, EPA, Department of Education, the Weather Service and many, many others who do not have law enforcement duties as part of their job curriculum receive the blessing of the Federal Government to carry a weapon everywhere they please, this includes on a plane, courts of law, and everywhere else John Q. Citizen can't take a gun.

Do you have a citation for the above, that they can carry armed on planes? Also, you know every single one of those departments you listed has a law enforcement element, right?

I know the IRS and EPA have armed agents. If the weather service does (in case those hurricanes get uppity I guess) I could definitely see the Sept. of Education.

And thats the problem. I posted this thread for the humor of it, but its a serious issue and really reflects both the incredibly nonexistent budget review procedures and priorities of our departments; and incredible expansion of criminalization of the regulation industry.

The Weather Service does not have an enforcement arm. The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Agency does. They protect marine life, and there isn't very many of them. That's why their purchase order is shopped by the NWS who actual has purchasing agents. If you actually read the request it says specifically it will be shipped to the OLE offices. Infowars is all about scaremongering, sometimes they have a point. In this case they are being deliberately obtuse.
Also 46,000 rounds is not a whole lot. It's enough to do an Army MP course of fire 920 times (which is 50 rounds BTW). Most of the guys that I know carry 2 spare magazines which puts the number of rounds on an agent at about 36, they also carry an extra 50-100 in thier car or duty bag, thats a minimum of 150(issued by the box) per agent.
TLDR. 46,000 rounds of 40SW fits in the trunk of most cars with room for a dead body or two.

rubiksnoob wrote:See, this is why I come to Dakka for my news. I get all the regular news -politics, world happenings etc.- but I also get rabid beavers and hollow point packin' weathermen!

And wiener dogs crew serving anti aircraft guns against the evil Red Squirrel Menace.


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AustonT wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

Ouze wrote:

KalashnikovMarine wrote:The IRS, EPA, Department of Education, the Weather Service and many, many others who do not have law enforcement duties as part of their job curriculum receive the blessing of the Federal Government to carry a weapon everywhere they please, this includes on a plane, courts of law, and everywhere else John Q. Citizen can't take a gun.

Do you have a citation for the above, that they can carry armed on planes? Also, you know every single one of those departments you listed has a law enforcement element, right?

I know the IRS and EPA have armed agents. If the weather service does (in case those hurricanes get uppity I guess) I could definitely see the Sept. of Education.

And thats the problem. I posted this thread for the humor of it, but its a serious issue and really reflects both the incredibly nonexistent budget review procedures and priorities of our departments; and incredible expansion of criminalization of the regulation industry.

The Weather Service does not have an enforcement arm. The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Agency does. They protect marine life, and there isn't very many of them. That's why their purchase order is shopped by the NWS who actual has purchasing agents. If you actually read the request it says specifically it will be shipped to the OLE offices. Infowars is all about scaremongering, sometimes they have a point. In this case they are being deliberately obtuse.
Also 46,000 rounds is not a whole lot. It's enough to do an Army MP course of fire 920 times (which is 50 rounds BTW). Most of the guys that I know carry 2 spare magazines which puts the number of rounds on an agent at about 36, they also carry an extra 50-100 in thier car or duty bag, thats a minimum of 150(issued by the box) per agent.
TLDR. 46,000 rounds of 40SW fits in the trunk of most cars with room for a dead body or two.

Its not the amount, its the sublimely stupid nature of it, and duplication of bureacracies/oversight.
Fire half the government and no one would notice a decline in "efficiency."

Ouze wrote:

KalashnikovMarine wrote:The IRS, EPA, Department of Education, the Weather Service and many, many others who do not have law enforcement duties as part of their job curriculum receive the blessing of the Federal Government to carry a weapon everywhere they please, this includes on a plane, courts of law, and everywhere else John Q. Citizen can't take a gun.

Do you have a citation for the above, that they can carry armed on planes? Also, you know every single one of those departments you listed has a law enforcement element, right?

http://www.tsa.gov/lawenforcement/programs/traveling_with_guns.shtm

Courtesy of the TSA

and that's kind of my point, why the hell does the Department of Education need armed cops?

No child left behind?

Or else. *ch-chick*

wait a minute

paper targets? so, what exactly will be left of these targets after a blow from a hollow point?