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The Zoom rules do not require you to move at Cruising speed, or equivalent... it says you must move at least 18" in a straight line.

Furthermore, the rule for 'count as' cruising speed, applies for *shooting* purposes; it does not say it applies for movement nor Zooming purposes.

So no it doesn't. And not supported by rules.

coredump wrote:
The Zoom rules do not require you to move at Cruising speed, or equivalent... it says you must move at least 18" in a straight line.

Furthermore, the rule for 'count as' cruising speed, applies for *shooting* purposes; it does not say it applies for movement nor Zooming purposes.

So no it doesn't. And not supported by rules.

What is cruising speed for a zooming flyer. I'll wait while you check and see it is more than 18". If it moved at cruising speed it moved more than 18".

Read it again. It says the unit that enters by deep strike can move no further. It doesn't say cannot move, but cannot move further. Further tells us that it did in fact move. So, yes it is.

Yes the rules says you moved. Never said otherwise. Ignore that strawman.

Yes the rules say you count as moving Cruising speed. That is not necessarily the same as physically moving 18" in a straight line.

Also, the rules say you move Cruising speed for *shooting purposes*, but I see you decided to ignore that detail.

coredump wrote:
Yes the rules says you moved. Never said otherwise. Ignore that strawman.

Yes the rules say you count as moving Cruising speed. That is not necessarily the same as physically moving 18" in a straight line.

Also, the rules say you move Cruising speed for *shooting purposes*, but I see you decided to ignore that detail.

You like to call any argument that refutes your point a strawman don't you? It's not a strawman, it is a valid argument you cannot overcome. It moved cruising speed, which is more than the minimum required. Moving cruising speed is the same as moving at least 18".

I didn't ignore anything. The speed a vehicle travelled at in the movement phase only matters in shooting. It is not relevant because it doesnt mean what you think it means.

If arriving by normal reserve via table edge how far would a flyer have to move to count as zooming? Could you just place it on the table edge? (of course this is a leading question)

 Byte wrote:
If arriving by normal reserve via table edge how far would a flyer have to move to count as zooming? Could you just place it on the table edge? (of course this is a leading question)

Of course it cannot. However, the major difference is that when coming in from Reserves the models move as normal, from the edge of the board. DS units cannot move further.

Well I did fire off an email to GW about this topic theday I posted this question. No response yet and I was wondering if they even respond to these questions and/or is there a more direct email path to ask this question aside from the general email link they give? Thanks for all the input into this issue everyone.

 mjl7atlas wrote:
Well I did fire off an email to GW about this topic theday I posted this question. No response yet and I was wondering if they even respond to these questions and/or is there a more direct email path to ask this question aside from the general email link they give? Thanks for all the input into this issue everyone.

They will answer it, eventually and even though the answer you get might be the total opposite of the one someone else gets the simple fact that you sent it in increases the chance of this issue getting into the FAQ.
Mainly because you increase the frequency at which this question got asked, with that in mind i suggest everyone do the same instead of continuing to argue.
After all wouldn't it suck if after hundreds of pages of arguments among numerous threads, we don't get an answer because GW didn't think that question was asked enough.

 Captain Antivas wrote:


You like to call any argument that refutes your point a strawman don't you?

No, just the ones you 'respond to' that I never made. Like you when you 'prove' that DSing *is* movement. (Hint: I never said it wasn't, of course it is.) Thus, attacking that was a 'strawman'.

It's not a strawman, it is a valid argument you cannot overcome. It moved cruising speed, which is more than the minimum required. Moving cruising speed is the same as moving at least 18".

Which is *not* what i referred to as a strawman... there were only three sentences, why do you have such trouble keeping track of them?

I didn't ignore anything. The speed a vehicle travelled at in the movement phase only matters in shooting. It is not relevant because it doesnt mean what you think it means.

Obviously you are wrong, because obviously how far you move *does* count in the movement phase, since that is the entire discussion we are having here. The rules clearly state that the flyer must move >18" or crash. So the end of the movement phase comes.... did you move >18? Did you even more Cruising speed? Rules don't say you have...


And I have not agreed that 'counting as cruising' is the same as 'move 18" in a straight line"; but you first need to get past the movement phase before that is even an issue.

Are you seriously making the argument that you should parse the rules in such a way that they are all chronologically applied and cannot go into effect until you get to the section that says that? You cannot parse the rules that way, it doesn't work. Unless the rules are discussing how to complete a particular action, such as disembarking, you cannot parse them such that the vehicle is only moved an unspecified distance until it is too late in the Shooting phase. Its a ridiculous argument that has no basis in the rules or logical deduction.

Note I never said distance didn't matter until shooting phase, I said speed. Clearly the distance traveled matters, but a vehicle's ability to shoot weapons at full ballistic skill is not considered based on the distance traveled but the speed traveled. Note, the rules say what I am saying not what you are saying. A vehicle with special rules can move further than 6" and still only be considered going combat speed. Flyers have a combat speed of 18". If you try to claim that since my flyer moved more than 12" he can only fire 4 guns at full BS you would be wrong because he did not move cruising speed. Distance is irrelevant with shooting, only the speed that distance is defined as is relevant.

wtf does this have to do with the first post?

A Swooping FMC and a Zooming Flyer both have a minimum movement range, which they cannot technically do if deep striking. It is the same discussion, just using a different unit type.

People are turning it away from a discussion.

I heard on Faeit212 that FAQs are up. I saw it on the Spanish GW, but then I checked the UK GW and did not see them.