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2012/08/28 02:27:18
Subject: Re:Religious Minority Want a Theocracy to Force Morality on Citizens
The Family Research Council and that lying gak stain Tony Perkins are just awful, awful people. Honestly, this is one of the least odious things I've ever read about their activities.
They're basically what happens when a person wants to feel that they're good person, but realises actually doing is really hard work. So instead they just tell lies about everyone else, which lets them and their followers getting the feeling of being good by just believing everyone else is much, much worse than them.
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
2012/08/28 04:30:45
Subject: Religious Minority Want a Theocracy to Force Morality on Citizens
Anyone notice that, while people argue over gay rights, pro life/choice and theological opinions in government, their seems less focus on important issues in government?
I wouldn't be surprised with what the media is like today.
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2012/08/28 04:40:55
Subject: Religious Minority Want a Theocracy to Force Morality on Citizens
We don't like the constitution's first amendment. Please remove it.
Sincerely;
~Every God-botherer in America since 1791
PS: You owe us for that whole Roth test ordeal.
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Mr Nobody wrote:Anyone notice that, while people argue over gay rights, pro life/choice and theological opinions in government, their seems less focus on important issues in government?
So you don't consider basic civil rights being withheld from a significant percentage of the American population to be an important issue?
Please, enlighten me: what do you consider an important issue?
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2012/08/28 05:01:35
Subject: Religious Minority Want a Theocracy to Force Morality on Citizens
We don't like the constitution's first amendment. Please remove it.
Sincerely;
~Every God-botherer in America since 1791
PS: You owe us for that whole Roth test ordeal.
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Mr Nobody wrote:Anyone notice that, while people argue over gay rights, pro life/choice and theological opinions in government, their seems less focus on important issues in government?
So you don't consider basic civil rights being withheld from a significant percentage of the American population to be an important issue?
Please, enlighten me: what do you consider an important issue?
Unemployment rates, rising debt, crime, social care systems, divide between rich and poor, climate change, fuel prices, wars over seas, decreased life span, toxic food, obesity rates etc.
If a miracle happened tomorrow and these moral issues of were solved, how much healthier and safer would the country as a whole be?
I'm not saying theological issues should be ignored but there are matters of function which must be addressed as well.
In the renaissance, rulers would argue about things like how long a woman's sleeves should be to avoid dealing with larger issues, are we repeating this.
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2012/08/28 05:41:39
Subject: Religious Minority Want a Theocracy to Force Morality on Citizens
Mr Nobody wrote:Anyone notice that, while people argue over gay rights, pro life/choice and theological opinions in government, their seems less focus on important issues in government?
So you don't consider basic civil rights being withheld from a significant percentage of the American population to be an important issue?
Please, enlighten me: what do you consider an important issue?
Unemployment rates, rising debt, crime, social care systems, divide between rich and poor, climate change, fuel prices, wars over seas, decreased life span, toxic food, obesity rates etc.
If a miracle happened tomorrow and these moral issues of were solved, how much healthier and safer would the country as a whole be?
I'm not saying theological issues should be ignored but there are matters of function which must be addressed as well.
In the renaissance, rulers would argue about things like how long a woman's sleeves should be to avoid dealing with larger issues, are we repeating this.
Okay, I see where you're coming from. Now I want you to pretend it's 1963 and you're trying to frame that argument in the context of African-Americans being denied equal rights.
2012/08/28 06:03:48
Subject: Religious Theocracy Forcing Morality on Citizens
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2012/08/28 06:51:25
Subject: Religious Minority Want a Theocracy to Force Morality on Citizens
BlapBlapBlap wrote: Wait, who is a 'victim' of Pornography? Seriously? It's designed to give people pleasure, not to harm or hurt them.
The billions of sperm that lie discarded in tissues in the wastebaskets of teengage boy's bedrooms tell you that porn is far from a victimless crime.
Think of the sperm!
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
2012/08/28 07:57:12
Subject: Religious Minority Want a Theocracy to Force Morality on Citizens
BlapBlapBlap wrote: Wait, who is a 'victim' of Pornography? Seriously? It's designed to give people pleasure, not to harm or hurt them.
Surely your name should be Fapfapfap?
We are arming Syrian rebels who support ISIS, who is fighting Iran, who is fighting Iraq who we also support against ISIS, while fighting Kurds who we support while they are fighting Syrian rebels.
2012/08/28 08:20:30
Subject: Re:Religious Minority Want a Theocracy to Force Morality on Citizens
Whatever happens in Texas....stays in Texas Frazz......
People people be calm. Once the Frazzled enlightenment occurs, all will have their place in the Realm of the Great Wiener Dog. Peace will be for all, every believer will have their own sofa, pillow, and favorite ball. All will drink their fill from the communal waterbowl. And steak! Every night!*
*Not cats though. I'm afraid its going to be your ass.
Message approved.
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BlapBlapBlap wrote: Wait, who is a 'victim' of Pornography? Seriously? It's designed to give people pleasure, not to harm or hurt them.
The porn industry needs tighter regulation, it can be a very nasty ugly business and there are victims, exploited artists for a start.
Because the 'other Hollywood' is still mostly underground there is a lot of abuse going on.
Not that that is the main reason why zealots want a ban.
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n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
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2012/08/28 13:04:46
Subject: Re:Religious Minority Want a Theocracy to Force Morality on Citizens
Right, they want a ban because they want to enforce their own religious sect's beliefs on everyone else.
Mr Nobody wrote: Anyone notice that, while people argue over gay rights, pro life/choice and theological opinions in government, their seems less focus on important issues in government?
I wouldn't be surprised with what the media is like today.
I think the first two ARE important issues in government, as they concern directly the civil liberties of minorities within the country.
If you mean debt, debt in the US is far, FAR less of an issue than in other countries, as the US government has a reputation of stability that, despite the best efforts of the Republcian party and the worst incompetence of the Democratic party, our government has yet to manage to destroy.
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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2012/08/28 13:30:59
Subject: Religious Theocracy Forcing Morality on Citizens
Melissia wrote: Right, they want a ban because they want to enforce their own religious sect's beliefs on everyone else.
Mr Nobody wrote: Anyone notice that, while people argue over gay rights, pro life/choice and theological opinions in government, their seems less focus on important issues in government?
I wouldn't be surprised with what the media is like today.
I think the first two ARE important issues in government, as they concern directly the civil liberties of minorities within the country.
If you mean debt, debt in the US is far, FAR less of an issue than in other countries, as the US government has a reputation of stability that, despite the best efforts of the Republcian party and the worst incompetence of the Democratic party, our government has yet to manage to destroy.
Its all a sidestep. Obama can't run on the economy, or healthcare, or well pretty much anything he's done. So we get the war on women/sudden switch on gay rights/BAIN!!!!/how about those Mormons you know their really racists right?/Evil Richers!/here special interest group have some benies.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
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2012/08/28 13:54:42
Subject: Religious Minority Want a Theocracy to Force Morality on Citizens
BlapBlapBlap wrote: Wait, who is a 'victim' of Pornography? Seriously? It's designed to give people pleasure, not to harm or hurt them.
Surely your name should be Fapfapfap?
Say BlapBlapBlap out loud and it will suddenly seem to be rather appropriate.
In response to BlapBlapBlap's query, yes there are victims of pornography, particularly the actresses. No small amount of women who enter the industry do so because of abuse in their childhoods. Some do it because they can't break into real acting and become stuck in the industry.
Mr Nobody wrote:Anyone notice that, while people argue over gay rights, pro life/choice and theological opinions in government, their seems less focus on important issues in government?
So you don't consider basic civil rights being withheld from a significant percentage of the American population to be an important issue?
Please, enlighten me: what do you consider an important issue?
Unemployment rates, rising debt, crime, social care systems, divide between rich and poor, climate change, fuel prices, wars over seas, decreased life span, toxic food, obesity rates etc.
If a miracle happened tomorrow and these moral issues of were solved, how much healthier and safer would the country as a whole be?
I'm not saying theological issues should be ignored but there are matters of function which must be addressed as well.
In the renaissance, rulers would argue about things like how long a woman's sleeves should be to avoid dealing with larger issues, are we repeating this.
Okay, I see where you're coming from. Now I want you to pretend it's 1963 and you're trying to frame that argument in the context of African-Americans being denied equal rights.
African Americans had been slaves for near a century. even after they had their freedom, they weren't even allowed to exist in the same space as white Americans. They were denied the right to be equal in anything.
Though, I do see your point, it is unfair to belittle one group's discrimination because of another issue.
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2012/08/28 15:44:02
Subject: Religious Minority Want a Theocracy to Force Morality on Citizens
In response to BlapBlapBlap's query, yes there are victims of pornography, particularly the actresses. No small amount of women who enter the industry do so because of abuse in their childhoods. Some do it because they can't break into real acting and become stuck in the industry.
Victims of being paid for sex. My heart fair bleeds. The same way I'm supposed to think professional athletes that go bankrupt are victims of professional sports. In other words: no. In your happy care bear world you might think these girls don't have a choice, but back here in reality getting fethed for money is a hell of a lot easier and lucrative than working at burger king, where all those poor unabused kids earn their minimum wage because daddy loved them too much to let them get into stripping and porn.
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2012/08/28 16:18:32
Subject: Re:Religious Minority Want a Theocracy to Force Morality on Citizens
Because the 'other Hollywood' is still mostly underground there is a lot of abuse going on.
Twenty to thirty years ago that was true, but in the last two decades as profits and exposure have increased, the lion's share of US produced pornography is reasonably well regulated (primarily by trade organizations); with issues of exploitation largely being confined to the methods used in other artistic industries (basically unfair contracts). Honestly, the US porn industry is perhaps more above board than other relatively recent forms of media production, such as Youtube networks and freelance web journalism.
Of course, porn produced outside the US is still a major source of revenue for many domestic websites, and is nowhere as tightly controlled in many places.
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2012/08/28 17:56:49
Subject: Re:Religious Minority Want a Theocracy to Force Morality on Citizens
Melissia wrote: Right, they want a ban because they want to enforce their own religious sect's beliefs on everyone else.
Mr Nobody wrote: Anyone notice that, while people argue over gay rights, pro life/choice and theological opinions in government, their seems less focus on important issues in government?
I wouldn't be surprised with what the media is like today.
I think the first two ARE important issues in government, as they concern directly the civil liberties of minorities within the country.
If you mean debt, debt in the US is far, FAR less of an issue than in other countries, as the US government has a reputation of stability that, despite the best efforts of the Republcian party and the worst incompetence of the Democratic party, our government has yet to manage to destroy.
Its all a sidestep. Obama can't run on the economy, or healthcare, or well pretty much anything he's done. So we get the war on women/sudden switch on gay rights/BAIN!!!!/how about those Mormons you know their really racists right?/Evil Richers!/here special interest group have some benies.
Can't run on anything huh?
sebster wrote:
BlapBlapBlap wrote: Wait, who is a 'victim' of Pornography? Seriously? It's designed to give people pleasure, not to harm or hurt them.
The billions of sperm that lie discarded in tissues in the wastebaskets of teengage boy's bedrooms tell you that porn is far from a victimless crime.
Think of the sperm!
Mass infanticide is happening every day!
Men all over the world have the blood of billions on their hands(literally)!
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I know it's not fashionable to say it, but I think internet pornography does have a negative effect on the attitudes of young people towards sex, and it's something I wouldn't mind seeing regulated a little more than it is.
High School isn't what it was, and the discussions, knowledge and attitudes of many of the kids there would really turn your hair white.
Da Boss wrote: I know it's not fashionable to say it, but I think internet pornography does have a negative effect on the attitudes of young people towards sex, and it's something I wouldn't mind seeing regulated a little more than it is.
High School isn't what it was, and the discussions, knowledge and attitudes of many of the kids there would really turn your hair white.
Well that's really the parents fault, because if they're in high school, then they shouldn't have access to porn. Those parents who allow the kids to see porn are breaking already existing laws.
2012/08/28 18:41:28
Subject: Religious Minority Want a Theocracy to Force Morality on Citizens
Da Boss wrote: I think internet pornography does have a negative effect on the attitudes of young people towards sex
The research really doesn't support this. For example, many of the more recent meta-analyses have found no supportive evidence of a link between sexual assault and pornography, and indeed, many of the older studies were found to have a lot of confirmation bias.
A far, FAR bigger effect is in parenting. Poor parenting, or even actively misogynistic and/or abusive parenting, has a far stronger correlation.
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
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2012/08/28 18:45:03
Subject: Religious Minority Want a Theocracy to Force Morality on Citizens
Da Boss wrote: I know it's not fashionable to say it, but I think internet pornography does have a negative effect on the attitudes of young people towards sex, and it's something I wouldn't mind seeing regulated a little more than it is.
High School isn't what it was, and the discussions, knowledge and attitudes of many of the kids there would really turn your hair white.
Do you have any idea of the sheer quantity of hardcore porn that was widely available in my school in the early 90's? IIRC it was even illegal (or at least not fully legal) then. Bootlegged and much copied German and US films from the 70's were very popular, they were dreadful but I can still remember bits from some of them.
Teenagers will always be interested in porn and there really isn't much that you can do to block them from it so really there isn't much point in trying. They do need to be made aware of the differences between reality and porn though.
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RegalPhantom wrote: If your fluff doesn't fit, change your fluff until it does
The prefect example of someone missing the point.
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-Leman Russ, Meditations on Imperial Command book XVI (AKA the RT era White Dwarf Commpendium).
Its just a shame that they couldn't fight off Andy Chambers.
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2012/08/28 18:49:12
Subject: Re:Religious Minority Want a Theocracy to Force Morality on Citizens
I graduated high school in 1990. I knew better then to hide my Hustler and Playboy magazine under the matress...only had those two...they were hiding in my stack of Boy's Life (Boy Scout magazines)
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2012/08/28 18:52:32
Subject: Religious Minority Want a Theocracy to Force Morality on Citizens
Da Boss wrote: I know it's not fashionable to say it, but I think internet pornography does have a negative effect on the attitudes of young people towards sex, and it's something I wouldn't mind seeing regulated a little more than it is.
High School isn't what it was, and the discussions, knowledge and attitudes of many of the kids there would really turn your hair white.
Do you have any idea of the sheer quantity of hardcore porn that was widely available in my school in the early 90's? IIRC it was even illegal (or at least not fully legal) then. Bootlegged and much copied German and US films from the 70's were very popular, they were dreadful but I can still remember bits from some of them.
Teenagers will always be interested in porn and there really isn't much that you can do to block them from it so really there isn't much point in trying. They do need to be made aware of the differences between reality and porn though.
I'm not sure it's even a bad thing for teens, a lot of them aren't used to having that intense of sexual urges so having a way of venting it is probably more positive than anything.
2012/08/28 18:57:15
Subject: Re:Religious Minority Want a Theocracy to Force Morality on Citizens
Jihadin wrote: I graduated high school in 1990. I knew better then to hide my Hustler and Playboy magazine under the matress...only had those two...they were hiding in my stack of Boy's Life (Boy Scout magazines)
I used to steal my dads and trade them in school. Nothing was ever said in case my mum found out
RegalPhantom wrote: If your fluff doesn't fit, change your fluff until it does
The prefect example of someone missing the point.
Do not underestimate the Squats. They survived for millenia cut off from the Imperium and assailed on all sides. Their determination and resilience is an example to us all.
-Leman Russ, Meditations on Imperial Command book XVI (AKA the RT era White Dwarf Commpendium).
Its just a shame that they couldn't fight off Andy Chambers.
Warzone Plog
Whatever happens in Texas....stays in Texas Frazz......
