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So how would I integrate random names into all of the chapters thinking they are successors of them, what could I use to make them similar?

Pyriel- wrote:If so then it would have been mentioned in the fluff somewhere as it is for other "suspicious" chapters. As it is now, there is absolutely no mentioning about any Inquisitional coverup secret war against the Salamanders.

Why should that have happened against the Salamanders? It could have happened against that Successor Chapter. Also, the Salamanders do not have their own Codex, so obviously they have fewer fluff than the "big" fan favourites. This in turn just means more room for people to simply make stuff up.

Pyriel- wrote:I´m not saying there are no Sal successors, I´m saying there are no known what so ever and the best imperial scholars and the inquisition have done while researching this is to assume that maybe the Storm Giants and Black Dragons just might be made with Sal geneseed.

Hmm, did I miss something? Where does it say that there was an investigation into the Salamanders' Successor Chapters?

Also, there don't have to be hundreds. OP is just looking for a little more than a dozen.
That said, a potential workaround would be to have those other Chapters not Successor, or at least not only, but also include a number of allies they made over the millennia! Either that, or turn down the number somewhat. 15 Chapters is an insane concentration of power; they're not the Imperial Guard and I think it is generally best not to force the most epic and legendary confrontations into homebrewed fluff. The smaller you keep it, the better it'll fit in with other fluff, regardless of whether you'd be looking at studio sources, licensed products, or other peoples' self-made Chapters.

Salamander wrote:So how would I integrate random names into all of the chapters thinking they are successors of them, what could I use to make them similar?

Some miniscule geneseed flaw that isn't very important but fairly rare? Caution, though, you'd start adding stuff to an official Chapter in this case. Or is there anything known about the Salamanders or their Primarch that you could capitalise on?
Or how about some ancient semi-forgotten records that nobody bothered to look at for thousands of years, and which were locked away in a dark corner of the various Chapters' scriptoriums? Maybe a coded message? An obscure reference that is completely irrelevant when not viewed in context? Something where one of the Chapters could go like "hey, look what we found", and the others are like "gak, we got that too!"

 Salamander wrote:
So how would I integrate random names into all of the chapters thinking they are successors of them, what could I use to make them similar?

Do something with a forge-related theme, but don't mention anvil, smiths, vulkan, drakes, etc. Something like the Fire Wraiths or whatever

I was thinking that, I could make the Temple of Fire where Vulkan set up for a few hundred years and they are removing the manuscripts, when a techmarine accidently turns something on and its broad casted to all Salay Gene seeded physkers within a X radius. That way the salamanders would be like wtf when other marine started showing up with the same report of what happened with their psykers.

The manuscripts could be vulkans views of re-creating his legion before he returned because he did not agree with splitting up his legion.

Also for the ground forces on the planet it would only be 1,2 or the max of 3 squads per chapter, its not like 16 chapters are sitting on as planet on the outer rim of the galaxy looking at a giant rock in the middle of a desert

I am just trying to wiggle thru the cracks in fluff to allow for a great story, and a cool army concept.


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 TheAngrySquig wrote:

 Salamander wrote:
So how would I integrate random names into all of the chapters thinking they are successors of them, what could I use to make them similar?

Do something with a forge-related theme, but don't mention anvil, smiths, vulkan, drakes, etc. Something like the Fire Wraiths or whatever

How about the Ember Puff Marines

So a few names I've been considering:

Royal Marines

Nah I'm kidding maybe something like;

Chameleon Marines

There'd be lots of sneaky sneaky in the chapter and they would have integrated camo-suits.

Pyre Wardens. Dunno, pyres seem fine for chapter names.

Sons of Hephaestus

Hephaestus (play /hɪˈfiːstəs/, /həˈfɛstəs/ or /hɨˈfɛstəs/; 8 spellings; Ancient Greek Ἥφαιστος Hēphaistos) was the Greek god of technology, blacksmiths, craftsmen, artisans, sculptors, metals, metallurgy, fire and volcanoes.[1] Hephaestus' Roman equivalent was Vulcan. In Greek mythology, Hephaestus was the son of Zeus and Hera, the King and Queen of the Gods.


makes you wonder why this wasn't Vulkan's name, probably pronunciation

Why should that have happened against the Salamanders? It could have happened against that Successor Chapter. Also, the Salamanders do not have their own Codex, so obviously they have fewer fluff than the "big" fan favourites. This in turn just means more room for people to simply make stuff up.

I agree. Making stuff up is part of the fun but if we are talking strictly fluff then no, there are most probably no successors and if you wan to bring arguments like everything goes just because it isnt mentioned in the fluff we might as well stop right now because you know, there is a female space marine chapter out there

Hmm, did I miss something? Where does it say that there was an investigation into the Salamanders' Successor Chapters?

Sal IA. It doesnt mention an investigation but it does mention no successors with the possibility of two already mentioned. Of course you can invent anything claiming there is no fluff on that but then again, so can I.

Logically and fluff supported a successor could very well be possible but then it would probably have to originate way back so that by some means its history is lost.

I'm gonna have to steal Ash Drakes. Grey (ash) armor with runes and flames for the Chapter symbol. Sounds awesome.

I'm pretty sure the Black Dragons are Salamanders successors.

Ash Drakes sound really cool

I'm pretty sure the Black Dragons are Salamanders successors.

In fluff they are "assumed" to be but not proven.

Knights of the Burning Pyre - Milites de Incendens Rogi
Pyrelords - rogum Dominos
Midnight Hammers - media nocte mallei
The Anvil Guard - Incudem Cohortis
Sons of Vulkan - Filii Vulkan
Fire Hammers - ignis mallei
Dragon Guard - draco Cohortis
Guardians of Nocturne - Custodes Nocturne
Fire Swords - Ferris Ignis
The Flaming Cohort - Flammeus cohortis

The generic 'Sons of...' Dragon something....' Hammer something...' aren't that good and are probably too over used, but some of the others may be quite good. I've put the names in Latin (High Gothic) if your that way inclined.

I personally like The Anvil Guard and Knights of the Burning Pyre - might use those my self to name a couple of Termie squads

Also, if i've mentioned any possible names that others in the comments above me have - of course the credit is due to them.

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Oh, I forgot to say that despite people saying that the Salamanders only have two (theorized) successor chapters, you could go down a slightly offset route of a possible third chapter being made from dissenters from the Salamanders. If I may digress, it is said that the Blood Angels have a successor chapter named the Knights of Blood who were named Excommuniate Traitoris but who answered the Blood Angels call in a time of strife.

Who's to say that a company of Salamanders did not leave the chapter as they were disillusioned, but continued to serve the Emperor as an Excommuniate Traitoris company. Personally, i'm not keen on the idea, but it's a possible - not sure how you'd find a way to back it up with fluff though - possibly Dragon Warriors that did not fall to Chaos, I dunno....

I came up with the name Iron Wyverns for my Salamanders successor chapter.

Fire Swords - Ferris Ignis

Iron fire?

Isnt latin for sword, gladius?

Pyriel- wrote:
Iron fire?

Isnt latin for sword, gladius?

Ah, you could be right there. Ferrus may not be sword (Google says Ferrum is sword but Google Translate cannot always be trusted), but a Gladius isn't the only Latin Definition for sword. You have to remember that although the Gladius is the most renowned Roman sword, the Legionaries only developed it after experiences fighting Iberian troops in the Punic Wars and developing upon Iberian swords. However, they would have had other swords before that so presumably they would have given them different names. I know for instance that in the later years of Rome, Legionaries switched to using the cavalry Spatha for a longer reach and in some cases auxilaries may have used the Kopis, Machiara and the Xiphos (though these are greek names - the latin would have been different).

But in essence, you are right, my translation was wrong - possibly Ferrum as Google so reliably tells me -.-

Ferrus is iron, however it was often used to mean a piece of iron in your hand e.g. a dagger or sword. A gladius was a roman short sword, only used for stabbing, the only other commonly used one was the spatha which was more of an officer's sword type of thing (although in battle they'd still use the gladius, which was pretty much the only one ever used in large-scale combat).
Latin nerd, Away!

I would pick Fire Dragons or El Fuego

I know Dragon Warriors are a chaos chapter but what are some chaos chapters I could make for my salai successors fight?


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Okay so I've been writing some of my story, and I have been thinking what after? I was thinking that the succssesor chapter consolidate there forces then push back the chaos, after that they stick together and from a large fleet, tasked to protect the system and the surrounding system so each chapter would set up on a habitable planet and start recruiting, they'll get some forge worlds set up and start re-building there forces and making them stronger from the help of the salamanders. I am also thinking that each one will have quite a large fleet in the systems.

@Salamander - Depending on which period of time your set in, either Post-Heresy, Sort of 39,000's or the period we're in now (42nd Millenium), you could use a variety of chapters - possibly the Dragon Warriors , or maybe the Red Corsiars seeking revenge from the Badab War. Alternatively, it could be that you use a Traitor Legion as an enemy. Pretty much any Chaos Traitor Marine band could be used as they don't seem to be much fussed with who they're fighting as long as it's the Imperium.

@p_gray99 - Latin Nerd? Meh - I can deal with that, at least it shows I have an Iota of IQ I'm pretty sure that the Spatha did become the standard infantry weapon in the later periods - mainly in part to fighting celts with a longer reach to their swords than the gladius could reply with. Nevermind though as this is all a bit off topic. I'll take your word for it if your adamant.

The Magmarines. They are a Salamander successor chapter that wishes they could be Ultramarines.

Or a good name for a Chaos warband of Salamander descent would be the Firestarters. Twisted firestarters.
Led by Lord Crispin, the crisp. Their armour is a scorched brown/black and all their exposed flesh has horrific warp burns. Their warcry? "I like mine extra crispy".

For the main chapter in the story I was thinking the Hell Fire Marines Or but would something like the Warp Dragons be Okay, because I want to use purple in my color scheme. I also want a chapter with a turtle name, like not turtle but one of the other words for turtle ;D


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I also think I may use Death Geckos

Hmm, I would possibly avoid using a Chaos name involving Dragons or reptiles - simply because your Salamander Successor Chapter is going to have a similar name and you won't want to get confused or to get others confused. If you don't intend to use a Drake reference like as not your going to be including drake-like references or iconography somewhere. To be honest, if I was in your position I would choose a god for your Chaos Marine enemies then come up with a suitable name.

As for turtles - how about Magma Testu - The Magma Turtles

Magma Tetsu is a name I shall steal. Sorry bout that.

I created a Successor Chapter named Imperial Hellkites. There fluff is they are Vulkans private force used to extricate lost relics. I know he is suppose to wander the galaxy alone but cmon, its a big galaxy and everyone needs a little help.

no known successors. rumours of black dragons and storm giants.


Personally i think cool names for successor chapters would be Sons of Prometheus, Forge Lords, Fire Lords, Sons of the Anvil.....

ExNoctemNacimur wrote:Magma Tetsu is a name I shall steal. Sorry bout that.

Be my guest, that's the exact reason I posted it. Feel free to purloin any other ones you like.

@Corennus - Sons of Prometheus - Liking the sound of that one

I made a sm chapter thats a successor to space wolves or ultramarines haven't decided but useing space wolf models none the less i call them the wodes after a class of old celtic warriors.
id suggest looking things like that up inhistory mabe name them after a asian dragon or maybe a leviathan of yor.
and yes i know space wolves have no successor chapters but i like the idea any way.

As a fan of the Salies I would say why not just play them AS Salamanders. Salamanders have no known succesor chapters so picking obvious connections may not be such a good idea. If you want to do your own paint scheme on them than make a cool looking paint shceme, run some flamesrs and multimeltas and come up with a Fire related name. (Burninators was a real good one ) Or Flame Bringers, Sons of the Pyre etc. Maybe make them a Fire Lords or Storm Giants succesor or hell even Storm Giants or Fire Lords themselves. Either way, in order to retain the sanctity of the Salamaders I think it is presumtuous of one to interject their own fluff to the Chapter. Not dogging on your idea but why mess with a good thing? By "creating" a succesor chapter you would have to come up with an interesting back story as to how and WHY the Salamanders created a succesor chapter even when they themselves didnt even have enough surviving members to form a fully functional chapter themselves.

If you want to make a succesor chapter make them completely NOT name related to Vulkan, the Forge, Fire etc but keep the love of flamers meltas and hammers in the theme of the Army. Have their origins be a Mystery to even them and run with it. If you start painting their skin black and calling them the "Lost Sons of Vulkan that know one knows about Marines" ya kinda jump the shark on that one.

Either way, its your chocolate factory do what you want.

Welcome To Dakka! Erm, forget the Warp Serpents though man, that sounds too much like Chaos/Alpha Legion... The Nyoka Miali? (Flame Snakes in swahili)