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Rokkits are ten points a piece, and lootaz still make sense in all those mobile lists, they always have. Since 6th has done nothing but buff them, now even more than ever.

So, yes, they are pretty much auto-include unless you are playing at low point levels. Using rokkits is instead is a complete waste of points and offensive power (you are wasting those other 18/27 boyz after all).

Only other real competition i've seen to lootas would be the big gunz kannonz. those things are awesome now, but I would probably only use them in low points levels or double FOC though. In between, there sadly isn't enough room for them by the time I get the battlewagons I want and whatnot.

Your other competition of sorts would be the dakka jet, but it's not quite the same thing. If you can get side shots it's amazing, but it'll never match the firepower a full unit of lootaz could put out on a single turn. And, a dakkajet can't be on the table turn one either.

There are some lists that can survive just fine without lootaz I'm sure, but they're definitely a top tier choice. I'm playing a doubles tourney with my foot guard and a friend's green tide. I didn't take a single autocannon. because I knew his lootas are far better for the points. That should tell you something there alone

I dunno, I think if you had to choose between the DAKKAjet or lootas, itd be a tough call. The smallest Lootas unit is 75pts and can balloon to 225pts. The DAKKAjet is 120-130 max. Not to mention, they are just hard to bring down if you dont prepare for them, where as Lootas are boyz, and boyz were never considered hard to kill. And Lootas ARE random with shooting, where as a DAKKAjet is not, and only get better on WAAAGHS!


I personally think the choice between the 2 would be a tough call depending on the game.

I have yet to field a Dakkajet because I seem to be addicted to Lootas... raining down that many shots and averaging 5-8 wounds (per full 45 shots, if the dice cooperate). I usually find some kind of cover for my lootas... The dakkajet would be nice to have reliable shots turn after turn or unitl it gets shot down AV10 could easily be glanced to death by large shooty unit...

I field both. More dakka!

But seriously, whenever my list already has a dakkajet, I add lootaz. If I have an equal amount of jets and lootaz (including zero), I add another jet. Works great for me so far.

I could never run any army without Lootas

I use two Dakka Jets, and one unit of Lootas. If I had more points, I'd add a second unit of Lootas.

Combined, you have a healthy amount of anti-air that's generally effective in many situations.

I combine that with Grots firing a Quad Gun ADL, so I can have anti-air and an additional troops choice on the table.

Ive honestly yet to use a DAKKAjet, as I dont have one. But I did start building one last night, so that will end. And as badass as bosses have become in 6th......I dunno.....Im still finding myself gravitate towards Meks and all the awesome gak they can take/use. Im focusing on going shootier and shootier in 6th. My last game I ran a KFF and a SAG mek, and together they were really bringing the killyness of my horde to a fething 10! So my opponent could either shoot the mass of bodies charging towards him guns a blazing, or try and take out the SAG thats lobbing AP2 death all over his deployment. It worked out rather well for me.

So once I get my Jet or 2 built, Im going to further tweek my dual Mek build and see what type of damage I can muster.

I have been running nothing but dual meks since I have been playing orks (about 3 months now). The dual cover saves allow added manueverability (sp?) to a large army where breaking the 6 inch comfort zone is necessary. I have since (after reading this thread) been digging in the codex and BRB and would like to try (depending on luck of the dice) to roll the warlard trait that would allow an HQ to outflank.... I am going to build a unit of Nobz with a warboss leading them in a Battlewagon dedicated transport. I need to do a tad more research into 6th, but since it is a dedicated transport for Nobz it should work. Give them all kombi skorchas and it should be a pretty nasty surprise. Coming from other armies (CSM) it is hard to get used to Ork BS, I have to come to rely heavily on templates that do not rely on BS to hit... In this next few games I will experiment with some shootier units, but I have come to be dissappointed on several occasions where I have really needed ranged shots with them. Lootas fill that gap nicely with their sheer, if not random, volume of shots.

The secret to getting over Ork BS, is to pump out more shots. Heres a fun exercise to practice with. Practice writing lists with as many shots as you can possible push. Look at every entry and see how to get the absolute max amount of shooting per slot. Do that a few times, and at differing points levels, and once you get a list that is ridiculous in its shootyness, run it a few times on the table. You will be pleasantly surprised at how many models you can soot down with just Ork shooting.

Right now, Ive only been charging a few times a game. Most the time, Im just riddling my opponents with shootas.

Yeah I'm learning all the roles for the different aspects... I have become a real big fan of big shootas. I'll add some more shooty guys and see how it works out. I need to keep it in my mind that bad shots are better than no shots.

Again, we make up for it with more shots. And Bigshootas are the tits, specially when TL. Its why I love stock koptas now with a biker boss. That unit just mows down damn near anything

Besides "bad shots" is just an illusion due to low BS. Poin for point, shoota boyz outshoot any unit wearing power armor.

 KingCracker wrote:
Again, we make up for it with more shots. And Bigshootas are the tits, specially when TL. Its why I love stock koptas now with a biker boss. That unit just mows down damn near anything

Huh, i never thought of that. I guess with just shootas they're just slightly better warbikers.

Why do you not use the rokkits? Just don't hit enough for you?

Wow! Thanks for the idea! I have been putting off running a biker boss due to lack of warbikes... Can't wait to try out that kombo!

MrMoustaffa wrote:

 KingCracker wrote:
Again, we make up for it with more shots. And Bigshootas are the tits, specially when TL. Its why I love stock koptas now with a biker boss. That unit just mows down damn near anything

Huh, i never thought of that. I guess with just shootas they're just slightly better warbikers.

Why do you not use the rokkits? Just don't hit enough for you?

I run the unit with 1 buzzsaw, and nothing else to keep it "cheap" as they are basically there to suck up wounds from the boss. So thats 1 reason. Another is the rokkits dont really shoot enough rokkits to make it worth while in this build. AND lastly, the boss and the saw can pop transports pretty easy. They are set up to just shoot the piss out of a unit before assaulting it

strengthofthedragon2 wrote:Wow! Thanks for the idea! I have been putting off running a biker boss due to lack of warbikes... Can't wait to try out that kombo!

Your welcome