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So i have been experimenting a bit with rokkit Launcha nobz and I have been curious if anyone else has been trying this it feels like with precision shot and a 50% chance a hit is actually a precision shot this could prove useful against enemies like MEQ. anyone have results to discuss or thoughts to share

My main concern at this time is getting to see the points back for buying both a nob with a rokkit + a PK

A big shoota has almost the same chance of killing MEQ, while being cheaper. That's about all there is to say about it.

 Jidmah wrote:
A big shoota has almost the same chance of killing MEQ, while being cheaper. That's about all there is to say about it.

Except for that wounding on 3's instead of 2's, and losing out on the Instant Death on T4 models; yeah, they are pretty much the same.

-Matt

Jidmah speaks the truth.

A single Rokkit Launcha has a 28% chance to kill an MEQ, while a Big Shoota has 22% chance to kill an MEQ.

Not sure where you're getting you 50% shot thing from, though.

Personally, I keep my precision shots to my Mekboyz with Big Shootas. My Nobs are expensive enough now that I've put Eavy Armour on them.

HawaiiMatt wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
A big shoota has almost the same chance of killing MEQ, while being cheaper. That's about all there is to say about it.

Except for that wounding on 3's instead of 2's, and losing out on the Instant Death on T4 models; yeah, they are pretty much the same.

-Matt

Wounding is factored it. About any model worth instant-deathing has an invulnerable save, making the rokkit worse than the big shoota.

Three shots are simply that much better than one.

Ayup, specially if you can get them TL like on the koptas. Thats why I run a unit of koptas with my biker boss. 18 TL bigshoota shots from one unit just pummels what ever your shooting it at. You get on average more kills from that then with rokkits.

 Kharrak wrote:


Not sure where you're getting you 50% shot thing from, though.

If you're only hitting on 5s and 6s then on average 50% of your shots which hit will be precision shots.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 Kharrak wrote:


Not sure where you're getting you 50% shot thing from, though.

If you're only hitting on 5s and 6s then on average 50% of your shots which hit will be precision shots.

Orite, yeah, that makes sense.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 Kharrak wrote:


Not sure where you're getting you 50% shot thing from, though.

If you're only hitting on 5s and 6s then on average 50% of your shots which hit will be precision shots.

Except that you still only get a precision shot 1 out of every 6 shots. Which means that you'll usually only get one precise shot PER GAME, if you get to shoot each and every turn. Just because 50% of the time that it hits makes it precise, doesn't change the fact that its still 1 in 6.

The big shoota will get a precise shot once every 2 turns, so if all you want is precision shots, the big shoota is much better.

Something curiously missing from this conversation is the fact that big shootas will do basically nothing to vehicles, while rokkits can actually hurt them.

I don't know, do people still bring vehicles to games of 40k anymore, or were mech lists a fad after all?

 Ailaros wrote:
Something curiously missing from this conversation is the fact that big shootas will do basically nothing to vehicles, while rokkits can actually hurt them.

I don't know, do people still bring vehicles to games of 40k anymore, or were mech lists a fad after all?

Rokkits need to roll on the damage table. While str8 is good, only hitting on 5+ muddies your chances. This is why Tankbustas get so many damned rokkit launchas. Regardless, I'd prefer to use Klaws over Rokkits. If I'm shooting at a vehicle, I can't exactly assault anything else, anyway.

I figured as much was curious all the same though.

Add in that you should almost never waste an entire mob of boyz shooting to kill one vehicle, unless you know you can kill it and assault the survivors.

Would you waste 60 or so shoota shots to try and kill a rhino with a lucky rocket?

It can be done with shootas. Again. volume of shots and weather down some hull points with decent success. I used to spam rokkits like a mofo, I had them in everything, and again, with our BS, they just arnt that great. Yes, once they DO hit something, magic happens, but you miss so much, that the points you save not taking them seems better. Unless taking tank bustaz of course, as their volume makes up for it. If I had a shot at the back of a rhino, Id just pepper it with shootas as well.

Unless I'm missing something, per the latest FAQ the Nobz won't have precision shots with their rokkit launchas. Only one Nob in the unit is a character now, they removed the character rule for units of Nobz, Paladins and Wolf Guard.

 Roboute wrote:
Unless I'm missing something, per the latest FAQ the Nobz won't have precision shots with their rokkit launchas. Only one Nob in the unit is a character now, they removed the character rule for units of Nobz, Paladins and Wolf Guard.

Nobz are characters in units that they lead, aka warbiker squads, boyz mobz, tankhunters squads, stormboy mobs, Kommando nobz, etc.

If the nob is leading a unit, he's a character. If he's part of a nob mob, he isn't. Pretty simple to follow really.

Yeah, upgrade nobs with rokkits are iffy (depending on what you want to do), but a nob squad with rokkits doesn't sound like the worst idea, at least not to pass a few around in a mixed squad.

except they're they'd only be able to take kombi rockets, which means a single volley and they're gone. And they're not characters anymore so none of them can pick out a hit on a 6 anyways, defeating the point

Although a full squad with kombirokkits to crack a transport wouldn't be a bad idea. Although even an 8 strong nob squad wouldn't fill me with confidence.

 Big Mek Wurrzog wrote:
So i have been experimenting a bit with rokkit Launcha nobz and I have been curious if anyone else has been trying this it feels like with precision shot and a 50% chance a hit is actually a precision shot this could prove useful against enemies like MEQ. anyone have results to discuss or thoughts to share

My main concern at this time is getting to see the points back for buying both a nob with a rokkit + a PK

nob bikers/warbikers vs MEQ can get the job done better. TL assault 3 S5 guns can punch through marines and rhino chassis.

Not to offend any of you non-orks, but maybe don't contribute unless you have at least an idea about how orks work, including having read the rules printed in our codex?

Just clearing up all the nonsense written in this thread would derail it. This is about special weapons in boyz mobs and whether there is a point of attempting precision shots with the squad leader.

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
except they're they'd only be able to take kombi rockets, which means a single volley and they're gone. And they're not characters anymore so none of them can pick out a hit on a 6 anyways, defeating the point

Although a full squad with kombirokkits to crack a transport wouldn't be a bad idea. Although even an 8 strong nob squad wouldn't fill me with confidence.

If your going that route, Id just stick with combiskorchas. The thing about a Nob unit, is its almost certain to be the victim of a counter charge. So might as well "Wall of Death" the poor sods that attempt it first. At least you KNOW that will do some damage, where as the rokkits, probably will only achieve points filler

Agree, I've always had combi-skorchas on at least one nob, and always on my warboss. Adding a fuel tank to the AOBR warboss' shoota was actually my first kit-bash

Just having the option to wall of death will have an impact on your opponent's gameplay, which is awesome. Where trowing a bunch of gaunts at nobz kept them busy for a couple of turns before, they might now kill them within one turn. So no tyranid player in their right mind would toss their gaunts at them anymore - and you don't need to actually use your combi-skorchas to archive that. You can still go after those gaunts and barbecue them, but that's your choice now, not your opponent's. This is, of course, true for any other assault unit with 4+ armor or worse.

Hell, even MEQ can take some casualties from a bunch of WoD attacks. I dont really use Nobz, but when I do (specially in 6th now) I give them all kombi skorchas. Its very effective

I also agree that kombi skorchas are the way to go Overwatch is fine with only a 50% reduction in BS, but I feel good about at least landing D3 wounds guaranteed...

A rokkit in a squad gives a chance to do damage vs vehicles. You can even take snap shots at flyers.

Those reasons are enough to take them.

 labmouse42 wrote:
A rokkit in a squad gives a chance to do damage vs vehicles. You can even take snap shots at flyers.

Those reasons are enough to take them.

Or you could spend those 15-30 points on something that's actually good at any of those things. Shooting a rokkit at a vehicle means wasting 40+ perfectly fine shoota shots. Not something you can afford in 6th.

Yeah, but if you're not taking lootaz, then rokkits are one of a short list of options.

If you're not taking lootaz, you should drop 8 of those silly rokkits across your list and get lootaz instead

Honestly the Nob as a squad leaders is kinda on the way out for me right now.

I'm finding that just 30 plain boyz, shoota or slugga is the way to go, with Rokkitz or Big Shootaz to taste. With the changes to fearless they do way better as a tarpit in CC which allows you to use a specialized CC unit as a haymaker.

Jidmah wrote:If you're not taking lootaz, you should drop 8 of those silly rokkits across your list and get lootaz instead

Lootaz are good, but not auto-include.

If you're playing a list where foot orks don't make sense (like in a bike list, or a kanz list, or to a somewhat lesser extent, a battlewagon list), then having to spend 5 whole points apiece for the chance to do much of anything is better than nothing.