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To be fair to AL their armour range from total chaos to plain loyalist depending on the fluff you read and the direction you'd like your army to take. I personally have mine in chaos army though without daemons and mutations. When the new codec hit I'm probably gonna go full chaos to try out the new vehicles and of course cultists

Chrysis wrote:
To be fair, they could be different people. While I think the new models are for the most part good, they don't exactly fit with the aesthetics of my chosen army (Ahriman's Cabal) or an army I'd like to start (Alpha Legion.)

And in the case of aesthetics not matching up, simply using a FW Chaos Dreadnought is perfectly fine, because they're now Helbrutes. Because Helbrutes are just renamed Dreadnoughts.

Oh yeah, definitely. I've got a Forgeworld Dread, and any list I make would be using it as a Hellbrute. Because that's what they are in all but name.

I was thinking more the overall aesthetic changes, the change from spiky marine to mutated marine. As a whole I actually find spiky marine preferable (to an extent), and I'm probably not alone. As such, I never whinged about the spiky marine aesthetic, and while I'm not going to whinge about the new mutated marine aesthetic either some people are. The complaints should only be confusing if it's the same people complaining that the old marines were just spiky marines and the new marines aren't just spiky marines.

I like the spikey marines, myself. I like the new people-shaped models, but not the new critters. I find them too visually noisy. Someone above said, you don't know what to look at. That suits a notion of chaos as being, well, chaos. But aesthetically, I find them a mess.

I want to know how the hell honsou didn't get a model!!!!!!!

If you still want dreadnoughts, the forgeworld one are always there. I'd prefer them over the hellbrute imho

. Eldar Wraithlords used to be called Eldar Dreadnoughts

This is a little nick-picky of me, but that's not 100% true.
The current "Wraithlord" concept is a combination of both the old Eldar Dreadnaught and something that was called a "Spirit Warrior". Back then, normal Eldar dreadnaughts still had a crewman like all the other dreds. The Spirit Warrior was guided by a soul stone like today's Wraithlords. Spirit Warrior's were recognizable becuase of their much smaller heads. The big headed ones had a living crewman
http://www.solegends.com/citcat911/c2101eldardreadnoughts.jpg
It was only later that the Dreadnaught/Spirit Warrior morphed into the Wraithlord that today's 40k players are familiar with.

As to Chaos Dreadnaughts, I'm looking forward to seeing the weapon loadout options to see which one will be the best "counts as" fit for my Blood slaughterer of Khorne.


TR

 Trench-Raider wrote:

. Eldar Wraithlords used to be called Eldar Dreadnoughts

This is a little nick-picky of me, but that's not 100% true.
The current "Wraithlord" concept is a combination of both the old Eldar Dreadnaught and something that was called a "Spirit Warrior". Back then, normal Eldar dreadnaughts still had a crewman like all the other dreds. The Spirit Warrior was guided by a soul stone like today's Wraithlords. Spirit Warrior's were recognizable becuase of their much smaller heads. The big headed ones had a living crewman
http://www.solegends.com/citcat911/c2101eldardreadnoughts.jpg
It was only later that the Dreadnaught/Spirit Warrior morphed into the Wraithlord that today's 40k players are familiar with.

As to Chaos Dreadnaughts, I'm looking forward to seeing the weapon loadout options to see which one will be the best "counts as" fit for my Blood slaughterer of Khorne.


TR

To further nitpick, the Ghost Warriors are the successors to the Wraith Guard which look almost the exact same as the Ghost warriors, except that they're not hunched over.

Since I know that Trenchie is into the old school, for the old Blood Slaughterer, I would actually say that the new Mutilators would be great, assuming that you have multiples. Otherwise, I recall the old Slaughterer having a whip, which would be great for a Helbrute with a Power Scourge.

If you have the newer Blood Slaughterer, I would recommend using it as a Maulerfiend.

Hmmm I love my Night Lords FW dreadnaught. Hopefully the options for weapons dont change too much. I actually have lots of luck with plasma cannon and it looks awesome glowing green gun.

So even if the name changes i dont think ill be getting rid of it.

Even if the rules change for what guns it can take thankfully i magnetized.

 Vladsimpaler wrote:
Since I know that Trenchie is into the old school, for the old Blood Slaughterer, I would actually say that the new Mutilators would be great, assuming that you have multiples. Otherwise, I recall the old Slaughterer having a whip, which would be great for a Helbrute with a Power Scourge.

I've been using mine as a counts-as dreadnought for a long time, will probably continue to do so. I did replace the wagon wheels and the odd 3rd wheel tread because frankly, they looked sketchy. Only downside imo is that it's pretty small by current standards, and it's hard to see the scythe while everything is black.

 Trench-Raider wrote:

. Eldar Wraithlords used to be called Eldar Dreadnoughts

This is a little nick-picky of me, but that's not 100% true.
The current "Wraithlord" concept is a combination of both the old Eldar Dreadnaught and something that was called a "Spirit Warrior". Back then, normal Eldar dreadnaughts still had a crewman like all the other dreds. The Spirit Warrior was guided by a soul stone like today's Wraithlords. Spirit Warrior's were recognizable becuase of their much smaller heads. The big headed ones had a living crewman
http://www.solegends.com/citcat911/c2101eldardreadnoughts.jpg
It was only later that the Dreadnaught/Spirit Warrior morphed into the Wraithlord that today's 40k players are familiar with.

As to Chaos Dreadnaughts, I'm looking forward to seeing the weapon loadout options to see which one will be the best "counts as" fit for my Blood slaughterer of Khorne.


TR

Actually, the dualk powerfist Wraithlord model from 3rd edition started life as a 2nd edition Eldar Dreadnought. So really, there is an Eldar Dreadnought model that made the transition to Wraithlord.

 Vilegrimm wrote:
So I'm going over my Chaos Legions, getting ready to sell them, pricing bits, etc. at Games Workshop's website, when it suddenly hits me:

I can't find a Chaos Dreadnought in the Chaos Space Marines army listings. Anywhere.

Does this mean that the Forgefiend/Maulerfiend is replaced the Dreadnoughts? Are they being retooled, and thus are not available to purchase right now?
Is this an oversight on GW's part on the website?

Anyone have any clues?

-Vilegrimm

The dreadnought has been renamed the "hellbrute". The only thing here is that the old and ugly chaos dreadnought model is now gone. You can get the new hellbrute mini in the Dark Vengance box and forge world still has their complete line of CSM dreadnought minis available as well.

Skriker


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 Trench-Raider wrote:
As to Chaos Dreadnaughts, I'm looking forward to seeing the weapon loadout options to see which one will be the best "counts as" fit for my Blood slaughterer of Khorne.
TR

Why not just use the Blood slaughterer of khorne rules rom forge world themselves? Of course the base bloodslaughterer is pretty much just a dread with 2 close combat weapons and daemonic possession. If you are talking about the old school smaller sized blood slaughterer model released by citadel many years ago, those rules could work, or the dread with 2 CCW and daemonic possession would work just as well. I have 2 forge world blood slaughterers and 1 old citadel which has had a flamer and combi-bolter added to its two arms to use as a baseline dread.

Skriker