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I really don't see how that could be interpreted as being able to take 2 in an 11 man squad. It still sounds like you would need 20 NM in order for two of them to have sound blasters.

 MrMoustaffa wrote:

Sebbyp538 wrote:
can landraiders now take 10 units in term armour now ? i cant see anywhere saying they cant.


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can landraiders now take 10 units in term armour now ? i cant see anywhere saying they cant.

Termie models still count as 2 for transport purposes, so I'm guessing that unless the land raider has a capacity of 20 that'd be a no.

The landraider says it has transport capacity of 10 and in the armour section it states nothing saying that terminator armour counts as x2 power armour. Tell me what page i can look at in the new codex or the 6th edition rules where you cant.

Plus the cult infantry have more character than the characters.


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I think somewhere terminator armor says it's bulky.

Sebbyp538 wrote:

 MrMoustaffa wrote:

Sebbyp538 wrote:
can landraiders now take 10 units in term armour now ? i cant see anywhere saying they cant.


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can landraiders now take 10 units in term armour now ? i cant see anywhere saying they cant.

Termie models still count as 2 for transport purposes, so I'm guessing that unless the land raider has a capacity of 20 that'd be a no.

The landraider says it has transport capacity of 10 and in the armour section it states nothing saying that terminator armour counts as x2 power armour. Tell me what page i can look at in the new codex or the 6th edition rules where you cant.

Read the bulky rules in the main rulebook.

FallenAfh wrote:

Sebbyp538 wrote:

 MrMoustaffa wrote:

Sebbyp538 wrote:
can landraiders now take 10 units in term armour now ? i cant see anywhere saying they cant.


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can landraiders now take 10 units in term armour now ? i cant see anywhere saying they cant.

Termie models still count as 2 for transport purposes, so I'm guessing that unless the land raider has a capacity of 20 that'd be a no.

The landraider says it has transport capacity of 10 and in the armour section it states nothing saying that terminator armour counts as x2 power armour. Tell me what page i can look at in the new codex or the 6th edition rules where you cant.

Read the bulky rules in the main rulebook.

-Don't tell people that, they might not look foolish their next game!

- In all seriousness the book is nice. Nothing punches you in the face with 'broken'. Every slot has 1-3 good choices and each of the original 9 legions can find an army in here (some with allies).

- Bikes, basic marines, havocs, choosen, noise marines and Black Mace/ Flying Daemon Princes appear to be very competitive while almost every unit save one or two seem usable.

- The book is very pretty, always important. The new model range, especially the raptor/warptalons look spot on imo.

I will say one good thing: Bikes, yo.

Like, wow. If you want some Hell's Angels (see what I did there?), get the book.

Bikes are good, yes.

Noisemarines competitive? What opponents do you play that let you walk into 24" and then just sit there unmolested while they stay in range for you?

Salvo is a terrible way to do their rules. Unless they make psycannons salvo

While I won't be getting my book anytime soon since my LSGS, (Local 'Stupid' Gaming Store) sent their orders in late, from what I've picked-up across the inter-tubes from those who have their copies, it really looks like GW is trying to bring to these new 6th edition books exactly what they've done with 8th edition Fantasy books.

No real "OMG! Brokenz!!1! Spam units 'X/Y/Z' x1,000,000!" options

Instead, each option is viable and worth taking at some point. Sure there will be those one or two spam lists that come out since 40k doesn't have the built-in spam-counter Fantasy has, but overall I'm loving the fact that the community as a whole shouldn't be echoing cries of "OMG! Chaos is soooooo 'uber CHEESE!!!1!" like what happened in 5th with Spamwolves, IG & 'Derp Knights', or Newcron aircav thus far in 6th.

I'm really hopeful that GW can keep up the good work they've done this past year and a half with bringing some actual balance to their two main games! Of corse, the crucial bit is, You-Know-Who hasn't written a 'new age' book yet...
So far, out of the 5 Fantasy books & CSM's we have;
- Orcs & Gobbos = Mr.Vetok
- Tomb Kings = Cruddance
- Orges = Vetok & Jervis
- VC's = Kelly
- Empire = Cruddance
- Chaos Marines = Kelly

We'll see how things hold up once the rumored DA's, Daemons/Daemons, Tau & Eldar books hit the gaming tables! Here's hoping!

Don't forget Tsons now only have a 6++ but they got -12p cheaper on the "OP" sorc... (if you took the doombolt in 5th)

I'm pretty sure Tsons have Aura of Dark Glory and the Mark of Tzeentch which stacks to a 4+ invulnerable save. In fact, it mentions this in this very combo in the Mark of Tzeentch description.

 salix_fatuus wrote:
Don't forget Tsons now only have a 6++ but they got -12p cheaper on the "OP" sorc... (if you took the doombolt in 5th)

Don't forget that most people complaining about a codex don't really read the codex

Read the dex today (mine is till in the post :( )

I was quite pleased. Don't like h new model though :(

Lp

Haven't picked up my book yet but have heard berserkers have been reduced to only 1 attack instead of the 2 like in old codex... can anyone confirm?

Yes it's true.

They have 1 attack, counterattack and rage.

Basically, first round of assault (charging or not) will be like it was in the last codex.

But in subsequent rounds, they will have only 2 attacks each. They wanted them to be devastating on the charge, effective even when charged, but beyond that....

Still a disappointment. Why not all three? Why not at least as good as, or much cheaper than, death company?

Experiment 626 wrote:
While I won't be getting my book anytime soon since my LSGS, (Local 'Stupid' Gaming Store) sent their orders in late, from what I've picked-up across the inter-tubes from those who have their copies, it really looks like GW is trying to bring to these new 6th edition books exactly what they've done with 8th edition Fantasy books.

No real "OMG! Brokenz!!1! Spam units 'X/Y/Z' x1,000,000!" options

Instead, each option is viable and worth taking at some point. Sure there will be those one or two spam lists that come out since 40k doesn't have the built-in spam-counter Fantasy has, but overall I'm loving the fact that the community as a whole shouldn't be echoing cries of "OMG! Chaos is soooooo 'uber CHEESE!!!1!" like what happened in 5th with Spamwolves, IG & 'Derp Knights', or Newcron aircav thus far in 6th.

I'm really hopeful that GW can keep up the good work they've done this past year and a half with bringing some actual balance to their two main games! Of corse, the crucial bit is, You-Know-Who hasn't written a 'new age' book yet...
So far, out of the 5 Fantasy books & CSM's we have;
- Orcs & Gobbos = Mr.Vetok
- Tomb Kings = Cruddance
- Orges = Vetok & Jervis
- VC's = Kelly
- Empire = Cruddance
- Chaos Marines = Kelly

We'll see how things hold up once the rumored DA's, Daemons/Daemons, Tau & Eldar books hit the gaming tables! Here's hoping!

I don't know why you think Matt Ward is the sole provider of CHEESE, considering Cruddance wrote Imperial Guard (Spam based cheese started here with melta vets and stupidly inexpensive valks) he also wrote Tyranids as well which is considered the worst 5th edition book, and Kelly wrote Space Wolves (Where 3/4ths of the book is not used due to how incredibly good some specific units are)

Plus fantasy as a whole got rid of it's other awful writer, Gav Thorpe (Writer of Dark Elves and it's 7th edition Magical Breakers and Vampire Counts, which broke everything before DOC came and took the blame away)


To be fair I just wanted new Options, I wanted to see Marks for Vehicles like forgeworld and old 3.5, I wanted to see new wargear options for chaos lords, like lashwhips or even Mechatendrils for lords, things that add some spice to the game without needing to be cheese.

It's more like a total reversal... regular csm used to be a joke compared to cult troops, bikes and raptors used to suck, princes used to be a must take, many units from the past two books are just now illegal in previously legal configurations. It's like total CHAOS man... but in a bad way, sort of.

I see what everyone is talking about with the terminators, and that is just unfortunate. Hopefully it is FAQ'ed but somehow I feel like this was intentional.

And am I the only one that really doesn't like that buying terminator armour for The Lord automatically includes the power weapon and combi-bolter again? It makes buying a terminator lord a daemon weapon super expensive.

I find it slightly funny that my 7 FW nurgle terminators are armed with combi meltas and power mauls/ axes, this is the way I bought them.

As for codex, if the upcoming codieces will be as reasonable, it is good. If not, it is bad.

I really dont like the book....I soldiered on with that last piece of crap for so long and now I have to put up with this?

I am not even a competitive player, I just wanted one (just one) Alpha Legion / Iron Warrior / Night Lord type character who allowed you to unlock (raptors for example as a troops choice)

Instead we got space zoid and those crappy mutilators.

I like the Dark Apostle and Warp Smith but they compete for the already rammed HQ slots - why not make them 1 wound elites like blood angels priests or similar?

My terminators are all illegal, warp talons dont even have grenades, Defilers have been over costed to encourage sales of space zoid.....

My only movement for this CSM codex will be instructing my models to stay in storage for the next five years.

But obviously thats just my opinion gents lol