Author |
Message |
 |
|
 |
Advert
|
Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you:
- No adverts like this in the forums anymore.
- Times and dates in your local timezone.
- Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance.
- Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely.
- Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net.
If you are already a member then feel free to login now. |
|
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/21 12:52:16
Subject: Re:Orks + modern day earth = ?
|
 |
[MOD]
Not as Good as a Minion
|
kwah wrote:i just had a evil chuckle id grab my sword go get my brother and his rifles and hand guns and make my way north looks like i found the best fighting on the planet!
Antarctica mate. Antarctica.
|
I wish I had time for all the game systems I own, let alone want to own... |
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/21 12:56:55
Subject: Orks + modern day earth = ?
|
 |
Thunderhawk Pilot Dropping From Orbit
|
Alota dead ummies
|
Come into my web, said the spider to the fly.
Come rest your wings, and let us talk eye to eye.
For I am a spider, and you are the fly. Now that you are here, let us sit, and say hi.
But I have have no morsel to share, nor anything to eat. But wait, what is that stickiness upon your feet.
Ah now I have you, now I can eat. Now I can enjoy you, or store you as meat.
For I am the spider, and you are the fly. How else could it have gone, between one such as you, and one such as I.
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/21 13:12:34
Subject: Re:Orks + modern day earth = ?
|
 |
Infiltrating Broodlord
|
kwah wrote:i just had a evil chuckle id grab my sword go get my brother and his rifles and hand guns and make my way north looks like i found the best fighting on the planet!
I believe you may get there quicker if you head south!
|
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/21 13:32:49
Subject: Orks + modern day earth = ?
|
 |
Stalwart Dark Angels Space Marine
Somewhere dark, cold and scary (A.K.A my mind)
|
I would paint my self green and hide in the orks ranks.
They would never see through my brilliant disgise (I hope).
|
May your rolls be high and your victories countless
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/21 13:44:28
Subject: Orks + modern day earth = ?
|
 |
Pyromaniac Hellhound Pilot
|
DA SPEED FREEK wrote:I would paint my self green and hide in the orks ranks.
They would never see through my brilliant disgise (I hope).
You disguise is canon. Orks call the humans living amongst them "diggaz" and rank them somewhere between the grots and the yoffs. So if you are tough-as-nails and have a click for the general Ork philosophy, then I think you could make a living there.
If the Orks would really land on the anatartica, and the nations would really unite ( LOL, the most impossible part), then I guess they would wipe out the initial Ork horde relaitvely quickly. But the spores would spread all around the planet and soon the Orks will reappear.
BUT. Unlike others, I don't think that these new Orks would go all-aggressive on us. Giving the (relatively to the IoM) open nature of our cultures, and the quite obvious advantages an Ork can muster, I think the Orks would find their way to our societies as "muscles". Just imagine a SWAT team of Orks - thats what I would call law enforcement team. And everyone would be happy until the Orks grow bored and destroy humanity from the inside.
|
My armies:
14000 points |
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/21 14:11:38
Subject: Orks + modern day earth = ?
|
 |
Mekboy Hammerin' Somethin'
Kansas City, Missouri
|
AtoMaki wrote:DA SPEED FREEK wrote:I would paint my self green and hide in the orks ranks.
They would never see through my brilliant disgise (I hope).
You disguise is canon. Orks call the humans living amongst them "diggaz" and rank them somewhere between the grots and the yoffs. So if you are tough-as-nails and have a click for the general Ork philosophy, then I think you could make a living there.
If the Orks would really land on the anatartica, and the nations would really unite ( LOL, the most impossible part), then I guess they would wipe out the initial Ork horde relaitvely quickly. But the spores would spread all around the planet and soon the Orks will reappear.
BUT. Unlike others, I don't think that these new Orks would go all-aggressive on us. Giving the (relatively to the IoM) open nature of our cultures, and the quite obvious advantages an Ork can muster, I think the Orks would find their way to our societies as "muscles". Just imagine a SWAT team of Orks - thats what I would call law enforcement team. And everyone would be happy until the Orks grow bored and destroy humanity from the inside.
They'd be disgusted with how runty and yammering we are,
"not a good fightah among the lot of us cept dem irish boyz once they gobble their grog down they a gud fer a larf! "
If anything the orks would kill us and demand we unify so we could kill me.
"You runtz is too weak for a propah fight... tell ya wut we'll give ya some warning to be fair like right? We'ze stomp ya london place flat in 2 days! Now 'urry up and start giving us something to knock down already WAAAAGH!"
The real problem earth would run into is the fact that they would use WMD on orks and see almost no damage from radiation (more or less immune to the doses that kill humans), and then it would just impress the orks enough to want to find them... I imagine the US Capital getting swamped by orks who start crude public torturings of senators and secrtaries till someone gives them access codes... if not Im sure they'll find a way through
|
" I don't lead da Waagh I build it! " - Big-Mek Wurrzog
List of Da Propahly Zogged!!!
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/21 14:12:02
Subject: Orks + modern day earth = ?
|
 |
Fresh-Faced New User
Virginia
|
This is how we would figure out it was orks that landed into antartica.
1. US says a weather baloon crashed in antartica
2. Morgan Freeman goes in to be the ambassador
3. Oks crush the smushy
4. Armed forces attack
5. Recruiters start showing up at your local hobby shop
6. Army recruits a bunch of miniture gamers to help stratigize against the orks
7. We dont have rulebook or dice so we show our incompetence
8. We start to lose are foot hold and orks spread
9. At this point one or two things could happen either
A. Imperium shows up and deals with the threat and all 40k gamers poop our pants due to orks=chaos and thats really disturbing
B. Ordo Zenos shows up and executes Exterminatus
Either way we are screwed lol
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/21 14:16:39
Subject: Re:Orks + modern day earth = ?
|
 |
Warplord Titan Princeps of Tzeentch
|
You guys seem to forget how paranoid real world humans are.
On the first sight of trouble, they WILL be nuked so hard there wont even by a single ork cromozome left, let alone a fungus.
And real-world earth is FAR more armed then it "should" be in comparison to 40k tech, we have the firepower to lay an exterminatus on over ten solar systems-if we get the means to deliver the bombs, nuking artantica would not even take a major power, even a minor power like us (israel) could take care of it.
do you guys know how many nukes we humans have IN STORES? forget the potential to make more. we got continent-buster scale bombs just waiting for use, and I know of at least a few of these in existance, and probably hundrends of times more I DONT know of.
|
can neither confirm nor deny I lost track of what I've got right now. |
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/21 15:29:32
Subject: Orks + modern day earth = ?
|
 |
Devestating Grey Knight Dreadknight
|
Texx wrote:If they all land on Antarctica, and its identified in time, my plan is simple:
1. Nuke everything there until there is no life...
2. Nuke the continent again every few months to make sure the spores don't get big.
3. Hope humans create practical mass space travel by the time we run out of nukes or other bombs 
Yay for nuclear fallout and and a big global flood!
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/21 15:44:38
Subject: Orks + modern day earth = ?
|
 |
Longtime Dakkanaut
|
It all depends on the Waaagh! size. I think we could actually beat back all but the really big ones, though it'd devastate the planet.
|
My Armies:
5,500pts
2,700pts
2,000pts
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/21 15:55:42
Subject: Orks + modern day earth = ?
|
 |
Bounding Ultramarine Assault Trooper
|
Best reply I've seen in quite some time.
But yeah, our tanks cant be glanced down by assault rifle fire.
Our aircraft zoom at mach 2+ and don't just sit a few dozen meters over the battlefield.
Our snipers shoot over distances measured in miles.
Our bombs and missiles don't have a pie plate that only hits 4 or 5 guys, they can take out city blocks that would be half the gameboard in 40k.
|
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/21 16:17:49
Subject: Re:Orks + modern day earth = ?
|
 |
Water-Caste Negotiator
Florida
|
motyak wrote: kwah wrote:i just had a evil chuckle id grab my sword go get my brother and his rifles and hand guns and make my way north looks like i found the best fighting on the planet!
Antarctica mate. Antarctica.
woops well i supose it still works the orks will move north any way and me and my brother can set up resistance in canada.
|
This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2012/10/21 16:21:23
Don't tell people how to do things, tell them what to do and let them surprise you with their results.
George S. Patton : The wode capn deaf klawz Freebooters Shas'O Storm knifes Shan'al |
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/21 17:20:42
Subject: Re:Orks + modern day earth = ?
|
 |
Heroic Senior Officer
|
Naval blockade then? Instead of nukign the whole place?
|
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/22 07:45:29
Subject: Orks + modern day earth = ?
|
 |
Ork Admiral Kroozin Da Kosmos on Da Hulk
|
Harriticus wrote:It all depends on the Waaagh! size. I think we could actually beat back all but the really big ones, though it'd devastate the planet.
The Adeptus Minestorum classifies an orkish warband as full-grown Waaagh! once they number about 2.5 billion orks, which is about the time they start building their first gargants (number of orks equals technical progress). So, if a Waagh! comes here, we're boned.
Nuking them would only be an option if we have another planet to evacuate to. Melting the Antarctica, while probably breaking the tectonic stability of earth (=volcanoes and earthquakes everywhere) and blocking out the sun with immense amounts of dust and vapor from both explosions and volcanoes, with volcanic and nuclear fallout on at least the entire southern hemisphere will make earth a bad place to live. Just getting slaughtered by orks would be the less painful way of committing global suicide.
|
7 Ork facts people always get wrong:
Ragnar did not win against Thrakka, but suffered two crushing defeats within a few days of each other.
A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot.
Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests.
Orks actually do not think that purple makes them harder to see. The joke was made canon by Alex Stewart's Caphias Cain books.
Gharkull Blackfang did not even come close to killing the emperor.
Orks can be corrupted by chaos, but few of them have any interest in what chaos offers.
Orks do not have the power of believe. |
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/22 08:37:46
Subject: Orks + modern day earth = ?
|
 |
Emboldened Warlock
Duncan, B.C
|
Jidmah wrote: Harriticus wrote:It all depends on the Waaagh! size. I think we could actually beat back all but the really big ones, though it'd devastate the planet.
The Adeptus Minestorum classifies an orkish warband as full-grown Waaagh! once they number about 2.5 billion orks, which is about the time they start building their first gargants (number of orks equals technical progress). So, if a Waagh! comes here, we're boned.
Nuking them would only be an option if we have another planet to evacuate to. Melting the Antarctica, while probably breaking the tectonic stability of earth (=volcanoes and earthquakes everywhere) and blocking out the sun with immense amounts of dust and vapor from both explosions and volcanoes, with volcanic and nuclear fallout on at least the entire southern hemisphere will make earth a bad place to live. Just getting slaughtered by orks would be the less painful way of committing global suicide.
I can't believe it took someone this long to point this out. It's easy to pretend like just nuking a continent is a good option, but the fact that we have nowhere to go after we blow everything up means that all we'd be doing is melting all our ice and spreading tons of radiation. If the Orks somehow didn't get us, (which they would. They wouldn't all land in one place. Orks aren't that organized) they rising sea levels, high amounts of radiation and other consequences of nuclear attacks would. When you only have one planet, collateral damage like exterminatus isn't really an option.
|
40k Armies:
Alaitoc 9300 points
Chaos 15000 points
Speed Freeks 3850 points
WHFB Armies:
Lizardmen 1000 points
Check out my blog at http://wayofthedice.blogspot.ca/ |
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/22 09:28:41
Subject: Orks + modern day earth = ?
|
 |
Confident Halberdier
|
The avengers show up kick ass. If orks are real why can't they be? Automatically Appended Next Post: Also as someone said if there's orks there's chaos which also means NIDS. If they show up then we are well and truely fethed
|
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2012/10/22 09:30:04
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/22 11:22:36
Subject: Orks + modern day earth = ?
|
 |
Mekboy Hammerin' Somethin'
Kansas City, Missouri
|
Jayo'r wrote:The avengers show up kick ass. If orks are real why can't they be?
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Also as someone said if there's orks there's chaos which also means NIDS. If they show up then we are well and truely fethed
Would love to see a Warboss Vs. Hulk (I am aware hulk can't lose... NEITHER CAN ORKS!)
Because I think orks would overpower nearly every other avenger.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Far as the whole NUKE ANTARCTICA thing... Earth would doom itself... If they nuked the orks back to the stone age they would litereally need to irradiate the entire continent SO MUCH that Nothing other than fall out would exist on the planet. Orks are barely impacted by radiation they exist on hundred of thousands of planets with radiation being one of the few minor complaints as opposed to things much much worse like daily flaming atmospheres, deathworlds, parasites, xeno infected worlds yadda yadda yadda.
the reason earth would be doomed is because killing all those orks would be a literal tidal wave of Orks which would be dispersed into the sky,... HIGH INTO THE SKY because of mushroom clouds into the stratosphere which would hit the jetsteams and every country of every world would become literred with orks everywhere and suddenly pure mayhem would break out within only a few days nowhere would be safe and the militaries would have to organize in all locations and no support or aid could be offered to anyone anywhere.
Do not meet orks with OVERKILL, we thrive on conflict and if you greet us with enough nukes to kill a waaagh's worth of Orks ... that would if for no other reason be why Terra declares exterminatus on Earth lol. In one foul action we would make earth an Ork World
In our codexes the only way to garantee ork spores cease to exist is declaring exterminatus. thus giving the spores no ground at all to take root.
|
" I don't lead da Waagh I build it! " - Big-Mek Wurrzog
List of Da Propahly Zogged!!!
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/22 16:07:45
Subject: Re:Orks + modern day earth = ?
|
 |
Heroic Senior Officer
|
Flamers work well too.
Alright, then, naval blockade with constant napalm bombing runs.
|
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/22 17:09:52
Subject: Orks + modern day earth = ?
|
 |
Nasty Nob
|
Boneblade wrote:
AKA; F-22 Raptors, hereafter called the "Wobbly Gretchin". Hint, it has a BS 4 (because it's a Flyer!)
Just wanted to interject, The ork flier doesent go past bs3, Ive seen a few people try to argue that you can make it bs4, but you cant.
|
ERJAK wrote:
The fluff is like ketchup and mustard on a burger. Yes it's desirable, yes it makes things better, but no it doesn't fundamentally change what you're eating and no you shouldn't just drown the whole meal in it.
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/22 20:11:01
Subject: Re:Orks + modern day earth = ?
|
 |
Yellin' Yoof
|
the orks will gradually take over the world...its a certainty...the only reliable way to take them down is to start the only other thing that will one day destroy mankind...
start a zombie apocalypse and watch the orks eat each other!
|
"when words fail to describe the dismay, there is always facepalm"
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/22 20:15:36
Subject: Re:Orks + modern day earth = ?
|
 |
Speedy Swiftclaw Biker
Scotland
|
weed killer
|
evilsponge wrote:Lots of Little Napoleons in this thread. Half the people in here should never have authority over anyone |
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/22 20:19:26
Subject: Re:Orks + modern day earth = ?
|
 |
Mekboy Hammerin' Somethin'
Kansas City, Missouri
|
Hobowan wrote:the orks will gradually take over the world...its a certainty...the only reliable way to take them down is to start the only other thing that will one day destroy mankind...
start a zombie apocalypse and watch the orks eat each other!
except they won't be opposed to chopping their own arms off to prevent infect due to nearly 100% organ transfer rate and their skin is supposedly as hard as concrete which would be a challenge for any zombie to cut through. Also we'd have to assume their immune system is much stronger than ours, i could see a bite making them carriers but not killing them. And for a proper apocalypse, that lethal bite is needed  would do us more harm than good and it also promotes even if the bites are lethal (the few that could get through) while the orks are alive they are creating more orks, the death of an ork with this virus would be interesting though because emerging zombie orks would be hilarious. Not to mention I think gretchin are too small, smart and paranoid to get caught often by ork zombies or humie zombies.
|
" I don't lead da Waagh I build it! " - Big-Mek Wurrzog
List of Da Propahly Zogged!!!
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/22 21:31:49
Subject: Orks + modern day earth = ?
|
 |
Yellin' Yoof
|
All you need is a few orkses to be infected...maybe a sniper firing tranq darts here and there designed to penetrate rhinoceros hide as a vector...
once that ork bites another ork, it would be the start of a huge mass brawl in which countless other orks would get bitten - the results are exponential from there  thered be no time for them to react quickly enough to be disciplined and identify and quarantine infected orks
The orks love of fighting eachother all but guarantees a spread and if it takes off, it would keep them pinned to that one continent as theyd lose the intelligence to loot technology and whatnot, and would become a meandering mass of the orky dead
of course theres one thing that would ruin it all for us - our own damned curiosity.
Guaranteed that us humans would make some "secure" facility in the middle of london or new york or somewhere equally ridiculous to study the orks and zombie orks, and at that point its game over as a breakout is inevitable and thus wed not only have a normal zombie outbreak to deal with but also a zombie ork apocolypse!
|
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2012/10/22 21:32:09
"when words fail to describe the dismay, there is always facepalm"
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/22 21:54:15
Subject: Orks + modern day earth = ?
|
 |
Sneaky Lictor
|
Jayo'r wrote:The avengers show up kick ass. If orks are real why can't they be?
/quote]
Avengers in tights are way too cheesy to exist n the same reality as Orks!
|
"To crush your opponents, see their figures removed from the table and to hear the lamentations of TFG." -Zathras |
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/23 11:10:03
Subject: Orks + modern day earth = ?
|
 |
Mekboy Hammerin' Somethin'
Kansas City, Missouri
|
Hobowan wrote:All you need is a few orkses to be infected...maybe a sniper firing tranq darts here and there designed to penetrate rhinoceros hide as a vector...
once that ork bites another ork, it would be the start of a huge mass brawl in which countless other orks would get bitten - the results are exponential from there  thered be no time for them to react quickly enough to be disciplined and identify and quarantine infected orks
The orks love of fighting eachother all but guarantees a spread and if it takes off, it would keep them pinned to that one continent as theyd lose the intelligence to loot technology and whatnot, and would become a meandering mass of the orky dead
of course theres one thing that would ruin it all for us - our own damned curiosity.
Guaranteed that us humans would make some "secure" facility in the middle of london or new york or somewhere equally ridiculous to study the orks and zombie orks, and at that point its game over as a breakout is inevitable and thus wed not only have a normal zombie outbreak to deal with but also a zombie ork apocolypse!
you realize orks kill other orks right? a zombie ork is less a threat he doesn't use his choppa or sluggah or even act very orky and would be even slower than a standard boy. Not to mention zombies are nothing new to orks... they deal with it when chaos comes knocking it's old hat for them. a zombie plague has yet to wipe out orks and something stupid like humanity being able to engineer that would be stupid beyond reason, though given it's about as stupid as nuking antarica until it's a glowing mass of melted ice which floods the world
Key note of warfare, humanity has not and will not use a weapon which is more viable against themselves than the enemy is suicide. Humanity would sooner bend a knee to the Orks than unleash a Zombie plague... history proves this.
|
" I don't lead da Waagh I build it! " - Big-Mek Wurrzog
List of Da Propahly Zogged!!!
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/23 11:36:12
Subject: Orks + modern day earth = ?
|
 |
Ork Admiral Kroozin Da Kosmos on Da Hulk
|
We could try to get them addicted to tabletop gaming though.
|
7 Ork facts people always get wrong:
Ragnar did not win against Thrakka, but suffered two crushing defeats within a few days of each other.
A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot.
Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests.
Orks actually do not think that purple makes them harder to see. The joke was made canon by Alex Stewart's Caphias Cain books.
Gharkull Blackfang did not even come close to killing the emperor.
Orks can be corrupted by chaos, but few of them have any interest in what chaos offers.
Orks do not have the power of believe. |
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/23 11:43:25
Subject: Orks + modern day earth = ?
|
 |
Mekboy Hammerin' Somethin'
Kansas City, Missouri
|
Jidmah wrote:We could try to get them addicted to tabletop gaming though. 
Best bet for survival  Unlimited battles! ... they might go "A Beautiful Mind" though.... oh god what if they learn propah strategy!?
|
" I don't lead da Waagh I build it! " - Big-Mek Wurrzog
List of Da Propahly Zogged!!!
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/23 12:21:23
Subject: Orks + modern day earth = ?
|
 |
Mighty Vampire Count
|
Thats assuming all this nuking and ork carnage does not wake up Great Cthulhu and friends
|
I AM A MARINE PLAYER
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/528517.page
A Bloody Road - my Warhammer Fantasy Fiction |
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/23 12:28:53
Subject: Orks + modern day earth = ?
|
 |
Death-Dealing Dark Angels Devastator
Linho, Sintra
|
Orks + modern day earth = A much greener Earth
|
=====Begin Dakka Geek Code=====
DC:80+S+G++MB-I+Pw40k03#D++A++/areWD286R+T(S)DM+
======End Dakka Geek Code======
WH40k 5000 pts +/-
WHFB: 6000pts +/-
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/23 12:39:26
Subject: Orks + modern day earth = ?
|
 |
Tzeentch Veteran Marine with Psychic Potential
|
Our soldiers are professionnal, but they are only one in what.... 10.000 people ?
Every single Ork is a big threat for non fighting humans. Sure we have tanks and planes big ships. But their medics have rotating saws attached to the arm, their gretchins fly planes and every one of them has the ferocity of 20 professional human soldiers.
After the first encounter, they would bastardize our technology, and we would see custom orkish navy ships, M1 Abrahams and of course pimped up limos.
And I, for one, would fear a warboss in a pimped up orkish limo.
|
|
|
 |
 |
|