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Chuck_Traynor wrote:

Walk right back into that GW and buy a unit and start playing. If they give you crap... call the cops. Say the guy is harassing you and you want a restraining ord

In a private business they can ask you to leave at any time and you must comply. If you don't it's called "criminal tresspass" and they can call the police to have you removed.
Go to jail. Go directly to jail. Do not pass go. Do not collect 200$
Enjoy your criminal record at that point.

What'd probably happen the first time is spending time sitting in the back of the squad car while the cops talk it out with the manager, and then them telling you not to go into the store again or the manager will press charges next time.

The whole bit about restraining orders was just pants on head stupid, although yeah, a lot of people are dumb enough to think that you can use on like that. Working around people who work in family law, you get to here all sorts of stories, like a woman who got a restraining order against her husband, and then tried to call the cops that he was violating it when she went to where he worked to harass him, or followed him to the store, and ended up with her getting a restraining order with an even longer minimum distance slapped on her.

What'd probably happen the first time is spending time sitting in the back of the squad car while the cops talk it out with the manager, and then them telling you not to go into the store again or the manager will press charges next time.

Right, that's what they'd probably do if the person who was silly enough to commit criminal trespass played it cool when the cops got there and complied with THEIR instructions to leave the premises. Now if the tresspasser got mouthy with THEM, refused their orders, or otherwise showed bad judgement, then they are probably going to jail.

 DeffDred wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:


As long as it was not an issue of race, color, religion, or national origin, they have the right to refuse service to anyone. (Color in this case means skin color, and not the color of paint you used on your army).

This sounds like it was not any of the afforementioned reasons, so the manager was within his rights of service refusal.

Not without a restrainging order. By spending money at the GW store you are exercising your right of free speech. You do not have the right to refuse service in America as long as the transaction is legal.

(No sale of alcohol, spray paint, cigarettes, porn to minors ect).

You cannot be "banned" from a store in America. Walmart can "ban" you but they do so through the proper legal means. They even post a picture of you in all the stores in your area (also illegal).

Walk right back into that GW and buy a unit and start playing. If they give you crap... call the cops. Say the guy is harassing you and you want a restraining order.

You don't have to have any reason to get one. They hand them out like candy. Now you can play there but the D-bag can't show up to work while you're there.

So he'll either have to change his scedual around yours, or be fired for causing the problem in the first place.

honestly, this is the reason why the rest of the world looks at america and goes 'wth...', this attitude of 'i can do what i want, and you cant stop me, stfu'

Dragonzord wrote:

 DeffDred wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:


As long as it was not an issue of race, color, religion, or national origin, they have the right to refuse service to anyone. (Color in this case means skin color, and not the color of paint you used on your army).

This sounds like it was not any of the afforementioned reasons, so the manager was within his rights of service refusal.

Not without a restrainging order. By spending money at the GW store you are exercising your right of free speech. You do not have the right to refuse service in America as long as the transaction is legal.

(No sale of alcohol, spray paint, cigarettes, porn to minors ect).

You cannot be "banned" from a store in America. Walmart can "ban" you but they do so through the proper legal means. They even post a picture of you in all the stores in your area (also illegal).

Walk right back into that GW and buy a unit and start playing. If they give you crap... call the cops. Say the guy is harassing you and you want a restraining order.

You don't have to have any reason to get one. They hand them out like candy. Now you can play there but the D-bag can't show up to work while you're there.

So he'll either have to change his scedual around yours, or be fired for causing the problem in the first place.

honestly, this is the reason why the rest of the world looks at america and goes 'wth...', this attitude of 'i can do what i want, and you cant stop me, stfu'

DeffDred is lying; that isn't true in the slightest. Don't be so prejudiced dude. Not cool, not cool.

Dragonzord wrote:

honestly, this is the reason why the rest of the world looks at america and goes 'wth...', this attitude of 'i can do what i want, and you cant stop me, stfu'

Y U H8 AMERICA?

Dragonzord wrote:

 DeffDred wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:


As long as it was not an issue of race, color, religion, or national origin, they have the right to refuse service to anyone. (Color in this case means skin color, and not the color of paint you used on your army).

This sounds like it was not any of the afforementioned reasons, so the manager was within his rights of service refusal.

Not without a restrainging order. By spending money at the GW store you are exercising your right of free speech. You do not have the right to refuse service in America as long as the transaction is legal.

(No sale of alcohol, spray paint, cigarettes, porn to minors ect).

You cannot be "banned" from a store in America. Walmart can "ban" you but they do so through the proper legal means. They even post a picture of you in all the stores in your area (also illegal).

Walk right back into that GW and buy a unit and start playing. If they give you crap... call the cops. Say the guy is harassing you and you want a restraining order.

You don't have to have any reason to get one. They hand them out like candy. Now you can play there but the D-bag can't show up to work while you're there.

So he'll either have to change his scedual around yours, or be fired for causing the problem in the first place.

honestly, this is the reason why the rest of the world looks at america and goes 'wth...', this attitude of 'i can do what i want, and you cant stop me, stfu'

Yes, let's badmouth an entire country because certain people act a certain way. Way to profile an entire nation.

Ease up, ease up, he's an Aussie, he's probably drunk...we all are. Its the only thing which lets us live in a continent full of things that want us dead and can manage that easily.

But seriously, lets keep this on topic instead of lynching the poor guy. We don't want no locksies...

It's considered private property, I love customers who think they have a devine right to be in there - the truth is, they don't have to serve you, they don't have to let you in, as long as they're not discriminating by race/gender etc

and sort your models out, who cares if you suck at painting, just spray them whatever colour you intend them to be, magnetise the arms, and that's it.

I hate playing against people who just field plastic, it's like they don't give a crap about the game. Unless it's a new release (like the Chaos stuff)

I'd sort it out with the manager though, definitely, whether you were right or wrong, he's the one who has the power to let you in or not

Doesn't even have to be the Manager actually who gets you banned...

I got a guy banned from our store because he thought it would be funny to come in on Mega Battle Sunday, (the one day we're packed with 'oodles of kids), while wearing a t-shirt laced with profanity & sexual jokes.

I didn't give a crap that he was ready to drop $200 on product. He was being an hat and trying to make sure everyone could see his highly offensive shirt while remarking about how kids were ruining the game.
I told him if he wanted to purchase the product, he first had to exit the mall and either turn his shirt inside out or change it. He then tried to cause a scene and went on and on about how he was going to call HQ, that he had 'connections' there and he'd ensure i'd get fired and banned from every GW store in Canada.

I just told him to leave because he was being highly offensive and his attire was completely inapropritate for our store which is ment to cater to everyone. He got huffy and basically gave me the attitude of, "yah, try and kick me out b !"

I then called Security and enjoyed the show!

Dude was banned from every store in Ontario by HQ when we called and told them about the incident.

I agree it's within their rights to ban you, but still this rings like a case of poor salesmanship to me. If painting is not your strong, why didn't he offer to give you a couple of classes to teach you the basics? It's part of the GW stores' service, AFAIK.

You can be banned for being a thief or being agressive, a manager has the right to not allow entry or service (although they have to be aware of discrimation laws).

As to the managers action, if this was an official GW store I would send a compliant letter (not email, an actual letter) and also put a message on their facebook page about his conduct as it has gone against GW policy (he is also mixing up counts as and proxy).

 BluntmanDC wrote:
You can be banned for being a thief or being agressive, a manager has the right to not allow entry or service (although they have to be aware of discrimation laws).

As to the managers action, if this was an official GW store I would send a compliant letter (not email, an actual letter) and also put a message on their facebook page about his conduct as it has gone against GW policy (he is also mixing up counts as and proxy).

You can be banned for any reason as long as it is not discrimination the manager has the right to refuse service. The best the OP can do is talk to the manager in question or calmly contact GW and request they look into the matter.

However there is something missing from the original post. As I mentioned previously the manager showed no malice, whilst he banned the OP he still allowed him to play THREE games (the one against his Necron friend and two further games after being told he was banned) and allowed him to leave under his own terms ie. he wasn't escorted out by a member of staff. This doesn't sound like a manager who would ban someone based on them having armless models.

They can and I take his side. If you aren't even gonna be bothered to paint them then don't bitch at other people for not modeling right

 Agent_Tremolo wrote:
I agree it's within their rights to ban you, but still this rings like a case of poor salesmanship to me. If painting is not your strong, why didn't he offer to give you a couple of classes to teach you the basics? It's part of the GW stores' service, AFAIK.

It totally depends on the [OP] though, would you offer painting advice to a customer who annoys you?

We don't know the full story, it is possible that the GW store monkey could've been a complete douche, but so could the [OP]

The only surefire way is either apologise to the manager, and get it all sorted that way, or do the dickish thing and go over his head to Games Workshop but then you're open to the possibility that he could unleash the ban hammer and ban you for good


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 TheAngrySquig wrote:
They can and I take his side. If you aren't even gonna be bothered to paint them then don't bitch at other people for not modeling right

and this I wholly agree with!

It's a bit weird for someone to have so many points across tons of armies to not just spray them the basic colour they're intended to be.

1. Yes, a store manager can ban you from his store.

2. I wouldn't play the OP in this thread.

3. I would have banned you for whining.

4. I would have banned you again for being a hypocrite.

So the OP didn't get his way and now he is wanting to throw a temper tantrum and get the manager fired.

Take a step back realize its only a game, that you don't always have to be right, be a man and go sort it out with the manager.

I miss the good old days when GW stores (and gaming stores in general) didn't allow unpainted models on their tables.

*edit* Didn't realize there were other pages more than page one. I see what I said others have said it and I missed it all.*

After reading all you said, my first impression is that you are a cry baby and the manager got upset that a cry baybe is doing something wrong when YOU are exactly doing the same thing.

I know you are not a cry baby, but maybe the manager was having a bad day and that is all he saw. He didn't get all the details just her the "dude stop proxying..." and then he saw you do the same thing and that set him off when he was having a bad day.

I agree just go up to him and apologize. Your opponent didn't do anything wrong. Maybe you were a bit too aggresive and don't realize it. That is why it's all blown out of proportion.

Also you are TFG just because you had to tell someone to stop proxying. NO ONE HAS A RIGHT TO TELL ANYONE HOW TO PLAY THE HOBBY. I find it funny you say the person has to stop proxying but yet you REFUSE to paint. Sort of hypocritcal no?

Also you said something about "that is why I don't like people proxying." My question there is, why didn't you know what your opponents army list was before the game. When ever anyone is proxing that should be noted at the begining before the game even starts.

I believe both parties are at fault. The manager was in the wrong in saying you have to have painted minis or what ever it was about "unfinished minis". If other people had this, then he is signaling it out. That was wrong from him. I find it hard to believe someone who refueses to paint and then gets upset at others for proxying. I am sure you were a bit hyper/rude to the manager and things got blown up.

As others said, man up, go to the store, say you were in the wrong and apologize like a man.

Lots of Little Napoleons in this thread. Half the people in here should never have authority over anyone

Our 2 locals stores have requirements to play on their tables. They do allow counts as, however the model must be build and on the base it was supplied with. (other changes must be approved by management)

One of the 2 stores requires you to have your army fully painted.

As these are both private run stores, and allowing us free table space at any point during the week is cool I'm ok with this.

Alot of tournies I've gone to are a 3 color minimum anyways. So to me that's how the game is also done.

Go to another sotre buy some white primer.

Spray all you models white.

Proceed to paint them ALL the brightest pink on earth.

Paint the bases green and guns black. This is the usual 3 colours required basics met.

apologize to the manager even if you dont mean it.

Continue to play at GW and know that everytime you play you piss this guy off even more by having the absloute [Mod edit] looking army on earth and there is nothing he can do about it.

Make sure you are ultra nice to him and always have a big lame smile on your face.... he will likely rage quit hahaha =]

 Milisim wrote:
Go to another sotre buy some white primer.

Spray all you models white.

Proceed to paint them ALL the brightest pink on earth.

Paint the bases green and guns black. This is the usual 3 colours required basics met.

apologize to the manager even if you dont mean it.

Continue to play at GW and know that everytime you play you piss this guy off even more by having the absloute gayest looking army on earth and there is nothing he can do about it.

Make sure you are ultra nice to him and always have a big lame smile on your face.... he will likely rage quit hahaha =]

Going in my signature

evilsponge wrote:
Lots of Little Napoleons in this thread. Half the people in here should never have authority over anyone

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 Milisim wrote:
Go to another sotre buy some white primer.

Spray all you models white.

Proceed to paint them ALL the brightest pink on earth.

Paint the bases green and guns black. This is the usual 3 colours required basics met.

apologize to the manager even if you dont mean it.

Continue to play at GW and know that everytime you play you piss this guy off even more by having the absloute gayest looking army on earth and there is nothing he can do about it.

Make sure you are ultra nice to him and always have a big lame smile on your face.... he will likely rage quit hahaha =]

Who's actually going to be the loser in this scenario? The manager who doesn't care what color the army is painted as, or the guy who just painted 10,000 points of minis horrible neon colors?

 Portugal Jones wrote:

 Milisim wrote:
Go to another sotre buy some white primer.

Spray all you models white.

Proceed to paint them ALL the brightest pink on earth.

Paint the bases green and guns black. This is the usual 3 colours required basics met.

apologize to the manager even if you dont mean it.

Continue to play at GW and know that everytime you play you piss this guy off even more by having the absloute gayest looking army on earth and there is nothing he can do about it.

Make sure you are ultra nice to him and always have a big lame smile on your face.... he will likely rage quit hahaha =]

Who's actually going to be the loser in this scenario? The manager who doesn't care what color the army is painted as, or the guy who just painted 10,000 points of minis horrible neon colors?

Who says there's going to be a loser? OP thinks he's awesome because he's beaten the manager, the manager thinks he's awesome because he forced a kid to make a 'flamboyant' army, who's weirdly proud of it

 Milisim wrote:


Continue to play at GW and know that everytime you play you piss this guy off even more by having the absloute gayest looking army on earth and there is nothing he can do about it.

Make sure you are ultra nice to him and always have a big lame smile on your face.... he will likely rage quit hahaha =]

Don't use gay like that.

Say lame instead.

So you suggest he paint Noise Marines?

 kronk wrote:

 Milisim wrote:


Continue to play at GW and know that everytime you play you piss this guy off even more by having the absloute gayest looking army on earth and there is nothing he can do about it.

Make sure you are ultra nice to him and always have a big lame smile on your face.... he will likely rage quit hahaha =]

Don't use gay like that.

Say lame instead.

"Flamboyant" might be a better term.

 Akaiyou wrote:
So I had a little altercation with the store manager today at the local GW. The issue being:

And this is how far I initially bothered to read.

Yes, of course you can be banned from a GW store.

The reason doesn't have to be fair, sensible or even remotely logical. Any store owner can, out of hand-without explaining themselves-absent any seemingly good reasoning, deny you the right to frequent said store.
To be able to visit a GW store is not a right. It is a privilege....and such a privilege can be lost.

 kronk wrote:

 Milisim wrote:


Continue to play at GW and know that everytime you play you piss this guy off even more by having the absloute gayest looking army on earth and there is nothing he can do about it.

Make sure you are ultra nice to him and always have a big lame smile on your face.... he will likely rage quit hahaha =]

Don't use gay like that.

Say lame instead.

No. Its not lame, its gay. Well its lame as well but its also gay. Trust me I know gay guys and any one of them would take one look at that army and call it "sewwww fabu"