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2012/10/21 02:52:10
Subject: This will be an election you tell your kids about
Kovnik Obama wrote: This kind of pessimistic outlook is usually linked with severe cases of 'libertarianism', teenage angst and other sorts of diseases.
It took me a while, but I've made up my mind.
I love you.
At first I didn't like Kovnik Obama that much, because his first few posts really came off as pretentious to me but once he became more down to earth in his approach I realized this guy actually had some quality stuff to say.
2012/10/21 03:08:21
Subject: This will be an election you tell your kids about
Tell my kids? And what will I tell them? I voted for a black guy who can play basketball and his no-bull VP instead of Montgomery Burns and Dracula? You're right, that is a good story, if I mention those things.
If only ZUN!bar were here...
2012/10/21 03:09:56
Subject: This will be an election you tell your kids about
Samus_aran115 wrote: Tell my kids? And what will I tell them? I voted for a black guy who can play basketball and his no-bull VP instead of Montgomery Burns and Dracula? You're right, that is a good story, if I mention those things.
So... let's just stop with the poll wars and wait till after the election. Then we can see how close Gallup/538/Those Colorado Professors are...
Except he's not a poll. He doesn't call people, he doesn't conduct surveys, he just looks at all the data already out there. It's an aggregator who is pretty open about his methodology and tells you at least once a day why his numbers are moving the way they are.
And your rebuttal was to post another aggregator site that doesn't actually do any explaining on why the numbers are the way they are.
I assume that the right wing blogs don't like the 538 numbers?
2012/10/21 03:24:25
Subject: This will be an election you tell your kids about
Samus_aran115 wrote: Tell my kids? And what will I tell them? I voted for a black guy who can play basketball and his no-bull VP instead of Montgomery Burns and Dracula? You're right, that is a good story, if I mention those things.
Wait, Biden is a no-bull VP? Since when?
Since like a week ago
If only ZUN!bar were here...
2012/10/21 03:29:12
Subject: This will be an election you tell your kids about
So... let's just stop with the poll wars and wait till after the election. Then we can see how close Gallup/538/Those Colorado Professors are...
Except he's not a poll. He doesn't call people, he doesn't conduct surveys, he just looks at all the data already out there. It's an aggregator who is pretty open about his methodology and tells you at least once a day why his numbers are moving the way they are.
And your rebuttal was to post another aggregator site that doesn't actually do any explaining on why the numbers are the way they are.
I assume that the right wing blogs don't like the 538 numbers?
No... 538 is okay... I'm a stats head geek and I can appreciate Nate's approach to things. (really... text book stuff to for analysis and deterministic methodology)
When I said "polling service" with respect to Nate, what I really meant is "he has his own way of interpreting the data". Which is what all the other pollsters do anyways. That's what I meant that they all have their own recipe of "the secret sauce".
So, pollsters:
1) Collect data
2) Anayize the data
Nate just takes #2 from all the other polls and apply his "538" methods to approximate the outcome.
So... if you like him... great. Doesn't bother me...
All I'm saying is I wouldn't put too much faith in just 538... nor ANY other outfit for that matter.
The reason being... is that it's too close right now. I think we're at the point where anybody can make the numbers "look good for their guy" at this point.
I actually agree with Nate that the Gallup poll does seem dodgy... but it's been holding steady at +6 for Romney over the last few days... so, what do I know?
How does it go?
A British PM said "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."
That is so true.
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2012/10/21 04:15:39
Subject: Re:This will be an election you tell your kids about
generalgrog wrote: You know I'm no Romney fan..but he kind of reminded me a bit of Ronald Reagan when he spoke.
Is it that they both have fake black hair? I can not for the life of me see how one could think the two are anything alike, oratorically. Reagan was an amazingly charismatic presence that could move huge crowds whereas Romney barely gets his base to shrug and say "well, he isn't Obama so I guess I should go vote".
If Obama wins the electoral and Romney wins the popular it is going to be an amazing time on the OT board, and I guess America as well.
Hey, us democrats have earned an undemocratic win. You republicans had one in 2000, now its our turn. Its only fair.
Its not a democracy its a republic.
Avatar 720 wrote: You see, to Auston, everyone is a Death Star; there's only one way you can take it and that's through a small gap at the back.
Powder Burns wrote:what they need to make is a fullsize leatherman, like 14" long folded, with a bone saw, notches for bowstring, signaling flare, electrical hand crank generator, bolt cutters..
2012/10/21 04:26:37
Subject: Re:This will be an election you tell your kids about
generalgrog wrote: You know I'm no Romney fan..but he kind of reminded me a bit of Ronald Reagan when he spoke.
Is it that they both have fake black hair? I can not for the life of me see how one could think the two are anything alike, oratorically. Reagan was an amazingly charismatic presence that could move huge crowds whereas Romney barely gets his base to shrug and say "well, he isn't Obama so I guess I should go vote".
If Obama wins the electoral and Romney wins the popular it is going to be an amazing time on the OT board, and I guess America as well.
Hey, us democrats have earned an undemocratic win. You republicans had one in 2000, now its our turn. Its only fair.
Its not a democracy its a republic.
Why are you always trying to kill people one hour at a time?
2012/10/21 04:40:58
Subject: This will be an election you tell your kids about
Im actually moderately afraid Azazel is going to have an anurism. More so than Sebs losing a couple hours.
You know because they ration healthcare in Canada and he might not get seen...
Avatar 720 wrote: You see, to Auston, everyone is a Death Star; there's only one way you can take it and that's through a small gap at the back.
Powder Burns wrote:what they need to make is a fullsize leatherman, like 14" long folded, with a bone saw, notches for bowstring, signaling flare, electrical hand crank generator, bolt cutters..
2012/10/21 04:49:25
Subject: This will be an election you tell your kids about
AustonT wrote: Im actually moderately afraid Azazel is going to have an anurism. More so than Sebs losing a couple hours.
You know because they ration healthcare in Canada and he might not get seen...
I thought he might still have a chance to get seen. Did his appeal to the death panel fall through?
2012/10/21 04:51:02
Subject: Re:This will be an election you tell your kids about
generalgrog wrote: You know I'm no Romney fan..but he kind of reminded me a bit of Ronald Reagan when he spoke.
Is it that they both have fake black hair? I can not for the life of me see how one could think the two are anything alike, oratorically. Reagan was an amazingly charismatic presence that could move huge crowds whereas Romney barely gets his base to shrug and say "well, he isn't Obama so I guess I should go vote".
If Obama wins the electoral and Romney wins the popular it is going to be an amazing time on the OT board, and I guess America as well.
Hey, us democrats have earned an undemocratic win. You republicans had one in 2000, now its our turn. Its only fair.
Its not a democracy its a republic.
Bah, that's just semantics. My point is, us democrats have earned an unfair win. You republicans got one in 2000, and now its our turn.
2012/10/21 05:12:19
Subject: This will be an election you tell your kids about
AustonT wrote: Im actually moderately afraid Azazel is going to have an anurism. More so than Sebs losing a couple hours.
You know because they ration healthcare in Canada and he might not get seen...
I thought he might still have a chance to get seen. Did his appeal to the death panel fall through?
I'd imagine that went straight into the circular file. Recycling of course, paper is rationed too.
Avatar 720 wrote: You see, to Auston, everyone is a Death Star; there's only one way you can take it and that's through a small gap at the back.
Powder Burns wrote:what they need to make is a fullsize leatherman, like 14" long folded, with a bone saw, notches for bowstring, signaling flare, electrical hand crank generator, bolt cutters..
2012/10/21 05:39:11
Subject: This will be an election you tell your kids about
AustonT wrote:Im actually moderately afraid Azazel is going to have an anurism. More so than Sebs losing a couple hours.
You know because they ration healthcare in Canada and he might not get seen...
Okay... I actually started to chuckle a little, just because I did not expect to see this.
And I'm more likely to turn green and then recruit some space gladiators and wage war on Earth.
2012/10/21 05:52:31
Subject: This will be an election you tell your kids about
Veteran Sergeant wrote:In the grim darkness of the far future, the guy with a rifle is the weakest man on the battlefield, left to quake in terror, hoping the two or three shots he gets do the job before somebody runs screaming across the battlefield to hit him with an energized stick.
Kilkrazy wrote:The controversy over the 2000 election was the hanging chads in Florida, not the popular vote.
I think there's still something to be said for a president winning the electoral college yet losing the popular vote. I don't recall if that had happened before or not. (mind you, there have been stranger results overall)
2012/10/21 11:43:24
Subject: Re:This will be an election you tell your kids about
Tell my kids about? I don't think so.
As sad as it is, the biggest change this election will make on the US is supreme count appointments that will occur as the icy hand of death makes job openings.
If Obama wins, Republicans will continue to c***-block anything that the democrats want to do.
If Romney wins, the Democrats will c***-block anything the republicans want to do.
In this dysfunctional government we need 2/3 votes to pass anything.
The only way that would chance is if enough seats were to swap in the house/senate to give one party a super-majority. Given the tightness of the race - we can't reasonably expect to see much of a swing.
The other solution would be to change the fillibuster back to its original intent, instead of a motion, so we could see people standing up and reading the phone book to block a jobs bill. That would make for great news coverage and illuminate the lunacy of it all.
Even with all this though, you should still get out and vote.
2012/10/21 11:51:42
Subject: This will be an election you tell your kids about
The centre of a massive brood chamber, heaving and pulsating.
I find it ironic that in what is supposed to be the world's greatest democracy that there are only 2 political parties with any chance of election. Over here we at least have a huge selection of bullets to shoot ourselves with. You get 2.
Also, if Romney wins I will be very, very angry.
Squigsquasher, resident ban magnet, White Knight, and general fethwit.
buddha wrote: I've decided that these GW is dead/dying threads that pop up every-week must be followers and cultists of nurgle perpetuating the need for decay. I therefore declare that that such threads are heresy and subject to exterminatus. So says the Inquisition!
2012/10/21 12:04:21
Subject: This will be an election you tell your kids about
Squigsquasher wrote: I find it ironic that in what is supposed to be the world's greatest democracy that there are only 2 political parties with any chance of election. Over here we at least have a huge selection of bullets to shoot ourselves with. You get 2.
Also, if Romney wins I will be very, very angry.
I'm curious, if an American were to say that if X party that you liked were to take control of Parliament, they would be very angry, would you care?
Full Frontal Nerdity
2012/10/21 12:06:07
Subject: This will be an election you tell your kids about
The centre of a massive brood chamber, heaving and pulsating.
Let's face it though, Romney is a colossal idiot.
His victory could doom us all.
Squigsquasher, resident ban magnet, White Knight, and general fethwit.
buddha wrote: I've decided that these GW is dead/dying threads that pop up every-week must be followers and cultists of nurgle perpetuating the need for decay. I therefore declare that that such threads are heresy and subject to exterminatus. So says the Inquisition!
2012/10/21 12:10:34
Subject: This will be an election you tell your kids about
The centre of a massive brood chamber, heaving and pulsating.
Such people are called idiots.
Rule Number One is Be Polite. Thanks, Manchu
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Squigsquasher, resident ban magnet, White Knight, and general fethwit.
buddha wrote: I've decided that these GW is dead/dying threads that pop up every-week must be followers and cultists of nurgle perpetuating the need for decay. I therefore declare that that such threads are heresy and subject to exterminatus. So says the Inquisition!
2012/10/21 12:13:41
Subject: This will be an election you tell your kids about
Squigsquasher wrote: I find it ironic that in what is supposed to be the world's greatest democracy that there are only 2 political parties with any chance of election. Over here we at least have a huge selection of bullets to shoot ourselves with. You get 2.
Also, if Romney wins I will be very, very angry.
To be fair, the most recent general election in the UK was the first one for a very long time that did not make a decisive choice between the two main parties.
That was a sign of general dissatisfaction with them, surely.
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