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Preety good list, well structured, shows even without heavy stuff you can do well, good luck in the competition. Also, be very careful where you place the widowmakers, they are a great unit, but with advance deploy many players are tempted to play them to close to enemy warjacks, keep them alive. I have seen a unit of widowmakers take out 6 points of rhulic infantry in 2 turns.

 YELLOWBLADES wrote:
Preety good list, well structured, shows even without heavy stuff you can do well, good luck in the competition. Also, be very careful where you place the widowmakers, they are a great unit, but with advance deploy many players are tempted to play them to close to enemy warjacks, keep them alive. I have seen a unit of widowmakers take out 6 points of rhulic infantry in 2 turns.

I have been lucky in the last three games I used my Widowmakers. The store employee setting up the terrain has been putting a hill covered in forest within 16" of my board edge. Guess where they went
Def 20, yes please. My last game again legion striders their stealth ability while sitting on an objective forced them out of cover to deal with them.

Well we are playing a 35 point tournament at my FLGS this Sunday using the 2013 Steamroller rule set. Since last weekend was the first time I have used Zerkova in objective based mission I have reliezed that she really is not good at objectives specially with this list. So here is an updated list that will give me a bit more ability to take and hold objectives.

By the way it is confirmed that reenforcements are out for SR2013.

35 POINT LIST OBJECITVE LIST

Zerkova (6 WJP)
-- Behemoth 13
-- Spriggan 10
-- Sylys 2
Great Bears 5
Widowmakers 4
Iron Fang Pikemen (Min) 6
Iron Fang UA 2

I have to sacrafice my magic control of the board to be able to get to and hold objectives. However, this is really only at 35 points. At 40 and above the magic control comes back and with some new shiny killy toys for Zerkova to use and abuse.

BLOG LAYOUT UPDATE

Rough and quick pictures posted on the first post of the Blog of each list played. I will be getting better photographs of each list in the FLGS so you can see each list and unit in detail. A link to the page the page that the list is one will be put on the first post also for easier navigating.

Lastly, my thoughts and breakdown of each unit played with Zerkova will be posted when my last 50 point game is posted. A link will be provided on the first post of the blog.

The 35 point SR 2013 tournament went well. Pulled out 2 wins and got 1 loss for 3rd place. If I had remembered to use my feat on my first game I would have had three wins and most likely 1st place.

The two wins came against trollbloods and the one loss was against Merc Dwarves.

The SR 2013 rules we were playing were a Beta Test and it really showed. The rules changed in the middle of the tournament and shortly after. Overall the new 2013 rules seem to be ok but were a bit unforgiving as they were when we played. Guess that is why it was a beta test.

Here is the list I played:
35 POINT LIST OBJECITVE LIST

Zerkova (6 WJP)
-- Behemoth 13
-- Spriggan 10
-- Sylys 2
Great Bears 5
Widowmakers 4
Iron Fang Pikemen (Min) 5
Iron Fang UA 2

With the Iron Fangs I was able to deal with objectives and had some serious punch when charging. They even took out the Trollbloods warlock on my last game. While this list is better at objectives Zerkova is still an caster kill style of play. I made sure I was up in points and then ended the game with a caster kill. This list was able to dish out alot of hurt and nearly killing every enemy model on the board even on the game I lost. That game Zerkova took a handgun shot to the face that had a really good damage roll.

The league is doing one more game at 35 points and I think I am going to run this list again to see if it still performs.

It is never to early to think about and plan my upcoming league lists. We have one more game at 35 points, then it is one to 40, 45 and 50 points. At 50 points there will be another tournament but I think I will still stick my list for the long haul. I have not strayed away from Zerkova even when I have had the chance so might as well stay the course.

Here is a preview my next three lists:

ZERKOVA 40 POINT LIST (OBJECTIVE BASED)

Zerkova (6 WJP)
-- Behemoth 13
-- Spriggan 10
-- War Dog 1
Doom Reavers 6
Great Bears 5
Widowmakers 4
Iron Fang Pikemen (Min) 5
Iron Fang UA 2

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ZERKOVA 45 POINT LIST (OBJECTIVE BASED)

Zerkova (6 WJP)
-- Behemoth 13
-- Spriggan 10
-- Sylys Wyshnalyrr 2
Doom Reavers 6
-- Greylord Escort 2
Great Bears 5
Widowmakers 4
Iron Fang Pikemen (Min) 5
Iron Fang UA 2
Koldun Lord 2

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ZERKOVA 50 POINT LIST (OBJECTIVE BASED)

Zerkova (6 WJP)
-- Behemoth 13
-- Spriggan 10
Doom Reavers 6
-- Greylord Escort 2
Great Bears 5
Widowmakers 4
Iron Fang Pikemen (Min) 5
Iron Fang UA 2
Gun Carriage 9

Version 2 of 50 point list

Zerkova (6 WJP)
-- Behemoth 13
-- Spriggan 10
-- Sylys Wyshnalyrr 2
Doom Reavers 6
Great Bears 5
Widowmakers 4
Iron Fang Pikemen (Min) 5
Iron Fang UA 2
Gun Carriage 9

Version 3 of 50 point list

Zerkova (6 WJP)
-- Behemoth 13
-- Spriggan 10
Battle Mechs 2
Doom Reavers 6
Great Bears 5
Widowmakers 4
Iron Fang Pikemen (Min) 5
Iron Fang UA 2
Gun Carriage 9




Thoughts about these lists:

The are all pretty much the same but just a few little changes that will be tweaked as the games progress. The inclusion of Doom Reavers and their Escort because I need another hard hitting unit for objects that can screen my Great Bears. Sylys is coming in and out of the lists because of the points and demands of the list from 40/45/50. He's great but sometimes he is just not really needed but always a bonus. However at 50 points I am thinking of swaping the Escort out for Sylys because there will be that mach more units that the beserk attacks will do more harm to my enemies than my troops.

Now the biggie is the inclusion of the Gun Carriage in the 50 point list. I know this is a odd choice the the option to have a mobile, fast moving weapons platform that can do everything that cav can to and dispute objectives or control area is huge with her. This doubly important since it uses no focus and doesn't really need any true support. I am really wondering if I should forget about the Escort and Sylys and have a unit of Battle Mechs for 2 points running behind the Carriage to fix it since it is a the biggest thing on my side of the board.



Your thoughts, comments?

Great blog, always happy to hear about people taking up rarely seen casters and pushing them Good luck in the bigger games!

- Salvage

Great thread! keep it coming

Boss Salvage wrote:Great blog, always happy to hear about people taking up rarely seen casters and pushing them Good luck in the bigger games!

- Salvage

YELLOWBLADES wrote:Great thread! keep it coming

Thanks for the encouragement on keeping the Blog going. You should have heard the ribbing I took the first couple of weeks when the leauge started when I said I was playing Zerkova. Really felt that I needed to improve my game so I choose the hardest caster in my faction to play and if I could learn how to play without any support from the caster my game would get better. Over the last several weeks I have found this to be true.

Showing my progression with her, how she plays, how units interact with her and how not to be afraid to play her was my main goal in this blog. Also, there isn't very many Blogs out there that show a true progression and learning of this caster and I hope that people will read this and try her themselves.

At this point in the league I am the only person that has kept the same caster and made only one change to my battlegroup. Honestly I am really starting to find her one of my favorite casters because she has completely changed how I look at Khador's choices of units, solos and warjacks. The idea that a unit must stand on its own merits and not on what the caster gives them has really thrown alot of people for a loop since they are not ready for the unorthidox tactics that are being taken on a weekly basis in my army. Plus alot of the players I am up against seem to disregard her out right the first time they play her and even the second time but complain that there is no room for error since she has so much focus left to spare and little or no magic used except for one or two rounds that they have to change their whole game plan mid game.

It is alittle dishearting that I know people that have flatout refused to play her in their Khador army because they still think she is the worst of the worst and not worth the time and money for her. She's like $10.00 online so what is there to lose. If this blog is anything to say about her is that she can win. I am at a 50% avg on my win/loss ratio from what I understand is pretty good with her. Each loss was from a stupid mistake I made in a order of activation or not popping my feat at the right time. So, I live and learn from these mistakes with her and continue to push on to 50 points with her.

Yesterday we played the last 35 point games of this go of the league. I played the same player twice, Trollbloods with Grim, Mulg and a Gatormen Posse (which he borrowed from me.) Here is the list I played:

35 POINT LIST OBJECITVE LIST (1 Win / 1 Loss)

Total for this list (3 Wins / 2 Loss)

Zerkova (6 WJP)
-- Behemoth 13
-- Spriggan 10
-- Sylys 2
Great Bears 5
Widowmakers 4
Iron Fang Pikemen (Min) 5
Iron Fang UA 2

First Game (Caster Kill)
Well the first game was a caster kill with a huge forest and river in the middle of the board. I lost this game because I tried to circle the woods and surround him. However, my two jacks ended up out of control range because of the forest and the push on my center. Without being able to give anything pathfinder really hurt. However, the game last fifteen rounds and my Gear Bears and IFP held their own for 14 of the 15 rounds. Mulg finally broke through and kill Zerkova which came to no surprise to me after a huge gap was blown open by his caster.

Second Game (3 Objective mission)
This game I won because of mission points which I won 7 points to 5. The trollbloods were holding a center objective with all their units while I ran to the outside markers. My Great Bears charged the full unit of Gatormen and the Witchdoctor and bounced. I was shocked. All of my Great Bears hit, killed and the Gators just got back up. On their turn they eat the Great Bears. Other than that there really was no action other than widowmaker potshot and the Behemoth throwing template to control the firelanes. I am still shocked about the Great Bears because I have never seen them bounce like that.

Well, I am still 50/50 with her on wins/loss ratio. On to 40 points next week and in come the Doom Reavers. I will post later about my thoughts on these two games.


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Thoughts about the last two games:

Terrain really dicated my last two games.While some units really never saw action the units that did realy had a good showing. LOS blockers and rough terrain really played in my enemies favor but these unit with Zerkova can react well to the enemies reposistioning. Since Zerkova do little to help these units they have to fall back on their own strengths. So if they move out of her command range like the widowmakers they were able to swing around to control an objective or outflank the enemies lines.

Now the only unit that really made me shake my head was my Great Bears. Normally whenever I throw them into a unit, jack or beast they clean up. However, twice in a row they had to deal with Gatormen Posse that were tough and stood back up. They would smash really hard all across the line but because of tough they enemy was able to stick. What I learned is that they really need to avoid units with P+S 13 or greater units that have tough. Just hold them back till a jack/beast or a non-tough one wound units are in range.

The next game is at 40 points which allows me to field Doom Reavers + UA that gives me another Weapon Master, two attack, tough unit. It should work out well so my fingers are crossed.

There is one thing I noticed was even as I was throwing razorwinds and influence around like crazy the past several games Zerkova has never been low on focus. I have been toying with the idea of removing Syl from my upcoming lists but I have been getting use to his +3 range to spells and not having to think about upkeeping watcher. That 2 points could really be useful but I will have to play around in War Room and IBodger to see what will make the most use of that 2 points.

Nice list, with 3 units your games going to go well, good luck!

Just found out that there is one more game at 35 points in our league before the points go up. So, I am thinking of a crazy Zerkova fun list for this weekend's league game now there is no restriction on any minis. Here is what I am thinking and I want to bounce it off you guys to what you think.

Zerkova (6 WJP)
-- Conquest 19
-- Wardog
Ogrun Bokur 3 (Zerkova is the client)
Doom Reavers 6
Great Bears 5
IFP (Min) 5
-- IFP UA 2

The Bokur will use shield guard on the Conquest to absorb any high POW or CRA shots. The Wardog will do what a Wardog does. I dropped the Widowmakers to bring in Doom Reaver. So I have a Conquest Fire Support Base/Mobile Cover. Then Doom Reavers, Great Bears and IFP + UA holding objectives and causing havoc.

What do you think?

Yes, this list will hit hard, never seen conquest with zerkova before

 YELLOWBLADES wrote:
Yes, this list will hit hard, never seen conquest with zerkova before

I was thinking on dumping the bokur and wardog and taking Syl and the doom reaver UA. That would give me two tough units on the board. Plus then Zerkova would always be running with 4 focus after giving the conquest 3.

Do the reavers have a UA? or are you talking about fenris

 YELLOWBLADES wrote:
Do the reavers have a UA? or are you talking about fenris

Thier UA is the Greylord Escort. He grants silence and tough to the Doom Reavers.

Ah I see now

Here is the two 35 point Conquest lists I am think so I have a hard choice:

List 1 :
Zerkova (6 WJP)
-- Conquest 19
-- Wardog
Ogrun Bokur 3 (Zerkova is the client)
Doom Reavers 6
Great Bears 5
IFP (Min) 5
-- IFP UA 2

List 2
Zerkova (6 WJP)
-- Conquest 19
-- Sylys 2
Doom Reavers 6
- Greylord Escort 2
Great Bears 5
IFP (Min) 5
-- IFP UA 2

I like the first list, the war dog will offer zerkova some well needed protection when conquest is not around

 YELLOWBLADES wrote:
I like the first list, the war dog will offer zerkova some well needed protection when conquest is not around

I know it is such a toss up between the two. The extra protection is nice but the idea of two tough units that can have two weapon master attacks per model is also very alluring for Zerkova. Also the one extra focus and boosted magic attack range is sweet too since it has saved her bacon a couple times since I started the league with her.

Ugh! Choices.

I think I am going to try and get two games in playing each list once. I will try the first list on the first game and if it works well then I will play it on my second game. This will give me the chance to see if the conquest is good with her.

I was hoping to get in two games but only got in one game today. Pulled out a win against Cryx and Asphix3. I needes the extra focus and didn't need the protection from ranged fire so I went with my second Conquest list below:

List 2
Zerkova (6 WJP)
-- Conquest 19
-- Sylys 2
Doom Reavers 6
- Greylord Escort 2
Great Bears 5
IFP (Min) 5
-- IFP UA 2

I fought Asphix3 with Deathjack, Seather, a ripper full unit of bane thralls with no UA, two pistol wraiths and Gorman. We play the mission where you have to control both 10" objectives. I baited him to put all of his units but the ripper and a pistol wraith on one side of the board.

The IFP and Great Bears charged Deathjack and Seather which both jacks came out of the combat with most of their systems knocked out but still movin after killing both units. I let him have the objectives and played cat and mouse with Zerkova and the Conquest. The Doom Reavers destroyed the ripper, a pistol wraith and the unit of bane thralls while losing five of their own in the process.

The conquest was taking pot shots at stuff all game and killed Gorman with the main gun. The helljacks and the thralls were held back by the creeping barage. With Zerkova B2B and watcher up the entire game he did not want to risk a fully boosted P+S 22 hit from Watcher.

He relized that I had the game in the bag since he only had one ranged attack and he could get to Zerkova and she could get to him all day long which she was doing. Everytime his caster would be in range of her razor wind I would hit him. By the last round he was down to five boxes on Asphix3 and tried to charge Zerkova which was B2B with the Conquest and watcher still up. Needless to say that watcher activated and the Conquest grabbed Asphix3 and crushed him to get the win.

Thoughts on the game
I like the Doom Reavers but they are only as good as your rolling. But they handled themselves well and the UA is a must. Without tough and silence that that unit would have killed itself. I didn`t miss the widowmakers since they really would not have done much the whole game.

Now the Conquest with Zerkova was a great pair. The ability to hide her and give some a reason to really worry about getting close enough to have watcher activate is super scary. It`s ranged fire allowed me to move back and weaken his forces each round. Plus the creeping barage did wonders denying him the charge all game with the Thralls.

I am really starting to learn that the Great Bears and the IFP really need to be thrown at something that will die the turn they charge. If not they will bounch and die. This game it didn`t really matter since all I wanted was to slow him up and allow the Conquest and tge Doom Reavers to do their jobs.

Zerkova showed me today was that do not was the chance to razorwind a target if you are in range. She was doing two to five points a turn on Asphix3 when she had the range with her Razorwind and pistol. Slow and steady wins the race when you enemy does not heal when he is sitting on almost 5 focus a turn. The armor bonus did not really help him since I was still doing damage.

Well, it is on to 40 points in two weeks so I will be working on painting my doom reavers, replacing the poles on my IFP with brass rods and painting my Gun Carriage. Busy two weeks but it will be fun. I will be posting more lists and pictures as the two weeks pass by so stay tuned.

I am working on my 40 point list over the next couple of weeks since this weekend we are not playing our league game due to Christmas gatherings. But here is my list I am thinking about for my 40 points:

Zerkova (6 WJP)
-- Behemoth 13
-- Sylys 2
Gun Carriage 9
Great Bears 5
IFP (Min) 5
- IFP UA 2
Doom Reaver 6
- Greylord Escort 2
Either Battle Mechs (Min), Harlan Versh or Orin Midwinter for 2 points


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On top of the 40 point list I just posted I want to run this 50 point list past you guys.

Zerkova (6 WJP)
-- Conquest 19
-- Sylys 2
Gun Carriage 9
Reinholdt 1
Doom Reavers 6
- Greylord Escort 2
Great Bears 5
IFP (Min) 5
- IFP UA 2
Alexia Ciannor & the Risen 5

I am really thinking this is a pretty hefty list that should perform well. What do you think?

I am still mulling over my choice of Solo or unit with my two points left on my 40 point list.

Here is my choices for two points:
Khador ~
Units - Battle Mechs (min)
Solos - Manhunter, Widowmaker Marksman, Koldun Lord

Mercs ~
Solos - Gorman, Harlan Versh, Orin Midwinter


If I drop Sylys I would have 4 points here is my choices:
Khador~
Units - Battle Meck (min w/UA), Kayazy Eliminators, Kossite Woodsmen (min), Widowmakers, Greylord Ternion
Solos- MoW Drakhun (w/o dismount), Uhlan Kovink Markov, Yuri the Axe, MoW Kovnik, 2 Manhunters.

Merc~
Units - Herne & Jonne, Lady Auyana & Haster Holt
Solos - Either pEiryss or eEiryss, Ogrun Bokur, Reinholdt

So many fine units and solos to choose from. Hard to decide.

I made my choice for my last two point: Ragman



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MerryChristmas everyone.

As I said before I chose ragman to use my last two points. He will give my doom reavers or great bears or pretty much any unit a better change to damage or kill with -2 ARM on the enemy unit they are in melee with. This will give me a chance to handle heavy jacks better.

Ragman arrived Friday and he is built and basecoated.hopefully I will have him paint by Sunday's game.

Happy New Year everybody. Sorry about not posting sooner but I got sick on Christmas Day with the flu (even after having got the flu shot) and have been good to go to work and come home. So, during that time I played two games in the League a 40 point and a 45 point game. Pulled out one win and one loss. Here is the 40 point list:

40 POINT LIST OBJECTIVE LIST (0 WIN / 1 LOSS)

Zerkova (6 WJP)
-- Behemoth 13
-- Sylys 2
Doom Reavers 6
- Greylord Escort 2
Great Bears 5
Gun Carriage 9
IFP (Min) 5
-- IFP UA 2
Ragman 2

How the game went:
Lot of this game came down to terrain. I played against an eStryker list and there was a lot of impassible terrain and deep water in the center of the board that stopped me from getting to his army. This allow him to magic bullet and just plain wear me down to get a caster kill.

I tried a couple of new units this game which were the Gun Carriage and Ragman Merc Solo. Made a couple of mistakes with the Gun Carriage but was impressed how it was great at board denial even when it misses. An the power trample attacks were just great. The Ragman really did not make much of a showing this game since terrain did not allow me to get into Hand to Hand.

My other units that did see action did hold their own pretty well. Behemoth did what the Behemoth does and laid down fire support really well. The great bears charged across the board and killed a Cygnar Heavy Jack in one go and stood toe to toe with the Precurser Knights. IFP and Doom Reaver so no action.


45 POINT LIST OBJECTIVE LIST (1 WIN / 0 LOSS)

Zerkova (6 WJP)
-- Behemoth 13
-- Sylys 2
Doom Reavers 6
- Greylord Escort 2
Great Bears 5
Gun Carriage 9
IFP (Min) 5
-- IFP UA 2
Man-O-War Drakhun (w/Dismount) 5
Ragman 2

How the game went:
Fought Trollbloods pMadrake and Mulg list tabling the entire army with the loss of 4 Doom Reavers and 3 IFP. Terrain did not dictate this game and I had a good wide open field of fire with only one shallow pond in the center. This allowed me to move around and dictate the entire battle.

I learned from my last game that the Gun Carriage was great as it is it needs some kind of flanking support that can keep up with it. This is where the MoW Drakhun came in. A group of Scatter Gunners with UA tried to flank and after being hit by the Gun Carriage's guns stopping them butt cold the Drakhun charged and held the unit all game but did finally kill them all. The trollblood player made 42 successful rolls the entire game across the board. The Gun Carriage was able to stop the flankers, end the bushwackers and then start punishing the main battle group. The rough terrain and successful hits made that group's advance super slow.

The IFP and Zerkova's Razorwind killed the Son's of Bragg with the loss of two IFP. At the end of the game the IFP charged and in two turns killed the Mauler Troll. His Axer charged across the pond and did 11 damage to the Gun Carriage. Ragman was close to the Gun Carriage so the Great Bears charged the Axer and with the -2 ARM from the Ragman's Dark Shroud the Axer was felled by only three hits from the Great Bears.

Now Mulg never got a chance to charge or even attack once. Once the Axer was finished Ragman moved over and then the Doom Reavers charged Mulg. Needless to say that Mulg fell to the Reavers in one round of combat. 4 minis doing P+S 13 4D6 damage roll with -2 ARM brought him down in a hurry. A bad scatter from Behemoth killed one of the four Reavers. Lost two earlier to CRA from the Bushwackers.

PMadrake fell to the Doom Reavers with Ragman -2 Arm but after taking some serious hits from the Behemoth and the Gun Carriage.

Thoughts on the games and units:

Ragman
Meh. It is hard to get him in the right position to get that -2 Arm since it is only a 3" range. I had to think two steps ahead with him so he would be in the right position. Most of the time it left his butt in the wind since he does not have stealth. I can see he would be great sitting back with a defensive unit of IFP waiting to be charged so he can provide that bonus on the strike back. On paper he sounds great but I am just not really a fan yet but he does provide something that Zerkova does not for her troops. Honestly, his two points would be better spent else where.

Doom Reavers + UA
OMFG why did I wait so long to get these guys. Just good from the get go and worth every point and penny spent on them. They work great with Zerkova.

Gun Carriage
I am sold on its use in concert with BIG B. The 4 POW 14 guns make everyone sit up and take notice. Plus its huge base was a great LOS block and the ability to deny great parts of the board just sold it to me. Just like our other heavies to not allow anything to get near or it will die horribly quick. For 9 points It doesn't need focus, throws templates of rough terrain and is stright killy to small base models. It stays for 50.

MoW Drakhun
He was new in her list and was only taken to support the Gun Carriage. However, I think he might stay in too since he was able to support the flank all by himself. His hitting power on the charge or the ride by is just jaw dropping. Plus his mount is nothing to sneeze at. Any other normal unit he would face would have died within three rounds of combat but the Trollblood player kept on making tough rolls. He would have killed that unit three times over by the end of the game. He stays and if you are on the fence on getting him buy him since you will never be sorry.

Next couple of weeks
Next week is a 35 point 2013 SR tournament. I am taking the weekend off from gaming to go see the wife's 90 year old Grandfather. I will be working on the 50 point list to try and hash out final games with her in the league. There might be several lists posted for consideration and for C&C. So please comment on the lists. If you have any questions just ask.

Thanks for your time and attention.

Well I am trying to put together my 50 point list. I really want to put Fenris in the list for another heavy hitter fast mini but even if I ordered him now her would not get here in enough time for me to clean, put together and paint before my game. So I am looking at what I have and here is what I came up with.

50 POINT LIST OBJECTIVE LIST

Zerkova (6 WJP)
-- Behemoth 13
-- Sylys 2
Doom Reavers 6
- Greylord Escort 2
Great Bears 5
Gun Carriage 9
IFP (Min) 5
-- IFP UA 2
Kayazy Eliminators 3
Man-O-War Drakhun (w/Dismount) 5
Uhlan Kovnik Markov 4

My thoughts on these new units:

Kayazy Eliminators
This gives me a missile unit to take advantage in gaps in the enemy line, exposed solos and the possible caster.

Uhlan Kovnik Markov
The MoW Drakhun worked so well I wanted another Cav solo. As I stated above I would not be able to get Fenris in time to play him. So I went with Markov to fill that slot. Not as durable at Drakhun and Fenris his Concussion Lance gives the anti-infantry hit that the Drakhun doesn't have. I can run them in concert throwing Markov in first to try and get the crit knockdown and then charge or ride by the same unit. This should give a good 1, 2 punch to a flanking unit. Also with precison strike on Markov I can hit a jack or beast doing some serious damage before the Drakhun comes in to clean up.


Other units combos I have though of to use my last 7 points:

Yuri + 2 Manhunters
2 Kayazy Eliminators + Reinholdt
Widowmakers + Widowmaker Marksmen + Reinholdt
MoW Bombardiers (min)
Greylord Ternion + Yuri (or eEyirss) (or Ogrun Bokur)
Widowmakers + Herne & Jonne
Lady Aiyana + Master Holt + Herne & Jonne

All these combos will give alot of flexiblity and are ready to be played. So what do you think? C&C please. Thank you.

Looking at my list and option I have I decided to go in a completely different direction. I was trying to hard to have small hard hitting units but was noticed that they were a one time use choices that if they fail their first go round then they are done. So I removed Sylyss from Zerkova which I know I will miss his assit I think my choice will make up for it. Then there was more swap with my IFP. The change in the UA type more fits with my play style with them. The Black Dragons will give the unit ARM 22 on the turn I pop my mini-feat.

50 POINT LIST OBJECTIVE LIST

Zerkova (6 WJP)
-- Behemoth 13
Doom Reavers 6
- Greylord Escort 2
Great Bears 5
Gun Carriage 9
IFP (Min) 5
-- IFP Black Dragon Officer & Standard 2
Kovnik Jozef Grigorovich 2
Man-O-War Drakhun (w/o Dismount) 4
Winter Guard Infantry (Max) 6
- Winter Guard Officer & Standard 2

My thoughts:
The addition of a WGDS (no rockets) will give me a large, fearless tough unit that will be able to screen Zerkova. Then the CRA, Spray and CMA will be able to let me handle most infantry and heavy beast/jacks that come near. I had wonderful use with the WGDS with eScorsha but this will be the first time with Zerkova. But I can see how another tough, fearless unit will be able to secure a flank or objective.

Now a change to the black dragon IFP unit will be great since I play defensively with IFP. I like to go second and on my first turn I back up a bit alot of times to get the charge on my turn. So the ARM 22 will be great so I can sit still or move up first turn.

Now the loss of the MoW Drakhun Dragoon will hurt a bit but if he didn't kill or seriously hurt what he hit the turn he charged then the Dragoon is a waste of a point in this list. Also, with Sylyss gone I will miss the free upkeep spell and the +2 spell range. But to get the WGDS in I think the trade off is worth it.


So, are these changes good or not? What do you think?

More and more I think of this list I like the idea of of having 3 infantry units that are tough and fearless. Alot of players in my Meta run beast and jack heavy lists and seem not to have much in the way of infantry . The only other player that plays infantry heavy is a Goreshade/Bane Thrall list primarily. It was a sad day that he bought, built and paints a great Ret list and sold it back to the store after playing three games with it.

So, where does this leave me within the Meta?

Since I am now only running one jack, one battle engine and one Cav Solo and the rest small based infantry does it mean that I am at an extreme advantage or disadvantage?

Three of my units are Weapon Master and three units are tough. 4 POW 14 AOEs, a POW 24 CRA/CMA and another POW 20 reach CMA at ARM22. All across the board my army can handle heavies with no issues and with very little in the way of true large infantry formations does this mean Zerkova's list has the upper hand?

What do you think?

I am really going over this list with a fine tooth comb trying to find any faults. There are a few small fault but there is more right with the units in this list to cover those faults. While there really isn't much in the way of heavy jacks except for Big B the infantry can really handle heavies.

The only thing I am worried about is facing another infantry horde especally if they are incorpral. I do have Zerkova's magic spells and the Doom Reaver + UA magic weapons but that is tying up 8 points or my focus to kill a 2 point model. I have A&H but dropping BIG B to a Destroyer just for the points seems to trade off that is hard to swallow.

Is there any alternatives you can think of?


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There was another thought of using the destroyer, uping the cav to dragoon and then getting three rocketeers for the WGDS. This would give me 6 templates. This would make most infantry player take a step back and rethink their posistioning.