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2012/11/15 20:58:09
Subject: Star Trek Miniatures Games...
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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 Pipboy101 wrote: Ruckdog wrote:I've been looking over my Star Fleet ACTA book lately, andfrom my reading so far I think that book would be a good starting place for a TNG-era game. As others pointed out, having a set of minis that are all in scale with each other would be a very difficult task. Of course, that might not be a big issue, due to the fact that the visual effects guys that worked TNG, DS9, and Voyager often played very fast and loose with scaling anyway! For example, the Klingnon Bird of Prey was shown at something like half a dozen different sizes over the years.
I hate to let my inner nerd show but there are many different classes of the Bird of Prey. I think in the episode "Yesterday's Enterprise" where the 1701-C came back in time and changed the time line it was the largest Bird of Prey there was in the show. If you look at the size of the Enterprise from Enterprise, ToS to TNG the original NX class would be roughly the size of the Saucer section of the 1701. The 1701 was the same size of the Saucer section of the 1701-D. So, the Bird of Prey from Star Trek III was a scout class vessel it was roughly the size of the the 1701. They got slightly bigger but the sizes didn't change to much over time.
*cough*
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This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2012/11/15 20:58:36
2021-4 Plog - Here we go again... - my fifth attempt at a Dakka PLOG
My Pile of Potential - updates ongoing...
Gamgee on Tau Players wrote:we all kill cats and sell our own families to the devil and eat live puppies.
 Kanluwen wrote:This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.
Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...
tneva82 wrote:You aren't even trying ty pretend for honest arqument. Open bad faith trolling.
- No reason to keep this here, unless people want to use it for something... |
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2012/11/15 21:31:13
Subject: Star Trek Miniatures Games...
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Misery. Missouri. Who can tell the difference.
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Can't tell if I am right or wrong on the sizes but I am correct about the different classes at least.
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  251 point Khador Army
 245 points Ret Army
Warmachine League Record: 85 Wins 29 Losses
A proud member of the "I won with Zerkova" club with and without Sylss.
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2012/11/15 21:45:18
Subject: Star Trek Miniatures Games...
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Pipboy101 wrote:Can't tell if I am right or wrong on the sizes but I am correct about the different classes at least.
Wrong about the sizes - across the two classes, which you were right bout, at least six different sizes have been identified across the source material.
Even more amusing, official books aren't even consistent with the sizes within a class...
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2021-4 Plog - Here we go again... - my fifth attempt at a Dakka PLOG
My Pile of Potential - updates ongoing...
Gamgee on Tau Players wrote:we all kill cats and sell our own families to the devil and eat live puppies.
Kanluwen wrote:This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.
Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...
tneva82 wrote:You aren't even trying ty pretend for honest arqument. Open bad faith trolling.
- No reason to keep this here, unless people want to use it for something... |
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2012/11/15 22:35:37
Subject: Star Trek Miniatures Games...
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Misery. Missouri. Who can tell the difference.
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Well the Star Trek universe is filled with little things like that. The whole romulan thing in Enterprise is completely different than the history in ToS show Balance of Terror. Its really not any worse than GW with their Fluff
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251 point Khador Army
245 points Ret Army
Warmachine League Record: 85 Wins 29 Losses
A proud member of the "I won with Zerkova" club with and without Sylss.
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2012/11/15 22:39:10
Subject: Star Trek Miniatures Games...
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Stalwart Space Marine
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Pipboy101 wrote:Well the Star Trek universe is filled with little things like that. The whole romulan thing in Enterprise is completely different than the history in ToS show Balance of Terror. Its really not any worse than GW with their Fluff
Enterprise never happened! *put fingers in ears* LALALALALALALALA!
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2012/11/15 22:41:48
Subject: Star Trek Miniatures Games...
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[MOD]
Otiose in a Niche
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 Papasmerv wrote: Pipboy101 wrote:Well the Star Trek universe is filled with little things like that. The whole romulan thing in Enterprise is completely different than the history in ToS show Balance of Terror. Its really not any worse than GW with their Fluff
Enterprise never happened! *put fingers in ears* LALALALALALALALA!
If you saw the last episode you know that...
Automatically Appended Next Post: As for the Bird of Prey issue, the whole 'numerous classes' thing is a retcon patch to explain the size differences.
And all this goes back to my contention that SFB has is all backwards, Star Trek is not about realism and nitpicky rules for everything under the sun. Which is why I almost think Clix is the better way to go.
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2012/11/15 22:48:38
Subject: Star Trek Miniatures Games...
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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 Dysartes wrote: Pipboy101 wrote:Can't tell if I am right or wrong on the sizes but I am correct about the different classes at least.
Wrong about the sizes - across the two classes, which you were right bout, at least six different sizes have been identified across the source material.
Even more amusing, official books aren't even consistent with the sizes within a class...
Indeed, I think it is unfortunate that the realities of the TNG production schedule and budget forced the use of the BoP model to represent both classes; as that article at Ex Astris Scientia points out, it would be a bit silly "in real life" to have two different starship classes of that are radically different in size but identical in every visual detail! It's not a huge deal, but it does make guys like us that like to geek out about the technical details of Star Trek want pull our hair out  .
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Smervs
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