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I always found that, as long as it does something (Or kills a lot of people) I'm never usually troubled by self-sacrifice in games.
Suicide when someone can still live does kinda disturb me somewhat... unless it's funny

 Perkustin wrote:

 Dr H wrote:
I suppose the closest thing that has got to haunting me at the time was in Oblivion, Dark Brotherhood questline, The "Next of Kin" quest.

You have to kill every member of the Draconis family and start off by visiting the mother and pretending to be buying gifts for her children. She really seems to care about them and has put thought into the presents. She even gives you money and has no idea that she's just told an assassin the locations you need to find them all... Until you smash her head in and then off you go to hunt all these relatively harmless and nice people and kill them all.
Then when you visit the mother's home again you find a gravestone for each of them to show you that someone else out there cared about these people as well...and then you get attacked and feel like you deserve it.

I always kill her last, i like the idea of her knowing that all her children are dead.

Lol. I always thought "well, while I'm here". I'm efficient like that...


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 purplefood wrote:
I always found that, as long as it does something (Or kills a lot of people) I'm never usually troubled by self-sacrifice in games.
Suicide when someone can still live does kinda disturb me somewhat... unless it's funny

It is for a good cause, but there's nowt funny about the end of Far Cry 2.

Then I'm fine with it.

 purplefood wrote:
Then I'm fine with it.

If you didn't know and want to know...

 Dr H wrote:

 purplefood wrote:
Then I'm fine with it.

If you didn't know and want to know...

Spoiler:

The Diamonds are to pay for refugees to cross the border and the handgun is for yourself afterwards, and the explosion up the mountain is to seal a valley to stop an army from recapturing the refugees.
The explosives can only be set off by hand and hence suicide and you can trust the other man to do the deed.
Or
You can take the briefcase, the other man blows himself up. Once the diamonds are handed over the screen fades to black and you hear a gunshot.
It's left up to you if you believe that you or him actually killed themselves.

That's silly...why do you have to kill yourself? Sense this does not make.

Nah I just youtube-d it.
Kinda grim but it's a good cause so I don't get that bad feeling.

Purple doesn't regret bombing hospitals and orphanages.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Dr H wrote:

 purplefood wrote:
Then I'm fine with it.

If you didn't know and want to know...

Spoiler:

The Diamonds are to pay for refugees to cross the border and the handgun is for yourself afterwards, and the explosion up the mountain is to seal a valley to stop an army from recapturing the refugees.
The explosives can only be set off by hand and hence suicide and you can trust the other man to do the deed.
Or
You can take the briefcase, the other man blows himself up. Once the diamonds are handed over the screen fades to black and you hear a gunshot.
It's left up to you if you believe that you or him actually killed themselves.

That's silly...why do you have to kill yourself? Sense this does not make.

It's all in the build up in the story. Difficult to explain as I haven't played it through to the end for ages. You're not meant to be able to live with yourself after what you have seen and done during the timeframe of the game.

 MrDwhitey wrote:
Purple doesn't regret bombing hospitals and orphanages.

Wasn't much of a bomb...
It was a magnetically accelerated super nuke.

 purplefood wrote:

 MrDwhitey wrote:
Purple doesn't regret bombing hospitals and orphanages.

Wasn't much of a bomb...
It was a magnetically accelerated super nuke.

Many, many of them.

 Avatar 720 wrote:

 purplefood wrote:

 MrDwhitey wrote:
Purple doesn't regret bombing hospitals and orphanages.

Wasn't much of a bomb...
It was a magnetically accelerated super nuke.

Many, many of them.

4 at a time...
That isn't even that many.
I was trying to build more...

 LordofHats wrote:

5. (Pokemon Red and Blue) Picking Charmander. Cause the first two gyms are gonna make you their , especially the first one.

Charmander was actually the best choice. The 1st gym is easy (and you can skip the 2nd for a little while as I recall), because although they resist fire, it doesn't really matter since they lack magic defense. A huge benefit of going with Charmander is that you cross Viridian Forest early on and it's super easy training. Charmander ends up being very strong for most of the game with his good power, speed, fire attacks, and slash. You can play start to finish just using Charmander for battles with no power leveling. Bulbasaur is actually the worst choice by far. The game is full of bug/plant/poison types and one of the last places you go to is nothing but fire. Bulbasaur is pretty useless for most of the game.

Charmander was the best choice because dragon.

Farcry 2, having to kill your best friends. Its the choice of you taking the moral high ground, or giving up and letting them all walk into the sunset to buy speedboats, or whatever. =/

Oh, and I only ever played through that game to the end once. The ending was just too haunting (though I had just watched Hotel Rwanda).


On Mass Effect. The choices I've made with that series haven't really impacted me to make me regret them. I've only ever played through the series as a paragon, thus the things that leave me feeling sad are out of my control. I would say though that Anderson's ending was something I thought about. That the only way to save him is to make the wrong decisions (people die all over the place, but this time they're people that cared and trusted you). That if you play the game as the perfect hero your friend dies, Bioware again saying "not everyone can be saved". ^^ Play the series choosing paragon every time, the third game is ridiculously emotional. My friend played it as a pure renegade and said that "you've already done so much bad stuff, seeing it happen to others by that point really doesn't phase you".

Anyhow, my point. The final choice you get. Despite playing that game as a complete paragon, I chose the "renegade" option. It shook me up as I'm still not sure over Bioware's handling of that last bit. Not so much over the resulting actions (killing the Reapers all the way), but that the paragon and renegade characters are reversed. That Anderson tells you to choose the renegade option, and The Illusive Man the Paragon one. Was the Red option really the Renegade one? Is saving the universe, but turning everyone into the things they hate really the good thing to do? I think Bioware was saying that in the end, everything has to be done for the greater good and all (thus Shepard being killed in the end. ...Bar in the Renegade ending).


Deus Ex: Human Revolution. That all of the endings are so well put across. Whichever one you take Jensen sells it to you as being the right choice. That in the end he has to sell the decision he has to make to himself as he really doesn't want to choose any of them. I played through the three big red shiny button ones before realizing that they were all false ones, valid options, but none of them were the right choice. A sad ending choosing not to pick any of them, but it seemed to have the least philosophical ramifications. Its the question of whether the world ends up the way it is in later descions because of the choice you made, or whether it would be a different place if one of the other ones were taken is a bit of a peeve.

 Wyrmalla wrote:
Farcry 2, having to kill your best friends. Its the choice of you taking the moral high ground, or giving up and letting them all walk into the sunset to buy speedboats, or whatever. =/

Oh, and I only ever played through that game to the end once. The ending was just too haunting (though I had just watched Hotel Rwanda).


On Mass Effect. The choices I've made with that series haven't really impacted me to make me regret them. I've only ever played through the series as a paragon, thus the things that leave me feeling sad are out of my control. I would say though that Anderson's ending was something I thought about. That the only way to save him is to make the wrong decisions (people die all over the place, but this time they're people that cared and trusted you). That if you play the game as the perfect hero your friend dies, Bioware again saying "not everyone can be saved". ^^ Play the series choosing paragon every time, the third game is ridiculously emotional. My friend played it as a pure renegade and said that "you've already done so much bad stuff, seeing it happen to others by that point really doesn't phase you".

Anyhow, my point. The final choice you get. Despite playing that game as a complete paragon, I chose the "renegade" option. It shook me up as I'm still not sure over Bioware's handling of that last bit. Not so much over the resulting actions (killing the Reapers all the way), but that the paragon and renegade characters are reversed. That Anderson tells you to choose the renegade option, and The Illusive Man the Paragon one. Was the Red option really the Renegade one? Is saving the universe, but turning everyone into the things they hate really the good thing to do? I think Bioware was saying that in the end, everything has to be done for the greater good and all (thus Shepard being killed in the end. ...Bar in the Renegade ending).


Deus Ex: Human Revolution. That all of the endings are so well put across. Whichever one you take Jensen sells it to you as being the right choice. That in the end he has to sell the decision he has to make to himself as he really doesn't want to choose any of them. I played through the three big red shiny button ones before realizing that they were all false ones, valid options, but none of them were the right choice. A sad ending choosing not to pick any of them, but it seemed to have the least philosophical ramifications. Its the question of whether the world ends up the way it is in later descions because of the choice you made, or whether it would be a different place if one of the other ones were taken is a bit of a peeve.

Thats not the "Renegade" option. In fact I would argue its the Paragon option.

Renegade would be to take control of a race and dominate it to your own will (Blue/control ending)

Paragorn is to kill these beings in a desperate act of self defense.

Dont get bogged down with the colors, the colors are simply there to make clear distinctions between each other and nothing more. None of the three actually represent things on the Paragorn/Renegade scale. (In fact, I got the impression most renegade players would pick control and most paragorn pick destroy)

I always thought of Renegade options as the funniest ones...

None really, I just revert to an earlier save if things don't turn out right.

 Dr H wrote:
I suppose the closest thing that has got to haunting me at the time was in Oblivion, Dark Brotherhood questline, The "Next of Kin" quest.

You have to kill every member of the Draconis family and start off by visiting the mother and pretending to be buying gifts for her children. She really seems to care about them and has put thought into the presents. She even gives you money and has no idea that she's just told an assassin the locations you need to find them all... Until you smash her head in and then off you go to hunt all these relatively harmless and nice people and kill them all.
Then when you visit the mother's home again you find a gravestone for each of them to show you that someone else out there cared about these people as well...and then you get attacked and feel like you deserve it.

Kind of a similar one in the same game, the Dark Brotherhood quest where you have to infiltrate a sort of party where everyone there is searching for a treasure. But what nobody else realizes is that you're there to kill everyone else in the house. As you pick them off, one by one, the others start getting angrier and more defensive, trying to figure out who's committing the murders. Then you get to the last one, and if you talk to the person, s/he just looks at you and goes, "Well...I guess that means you're the murderer, then." No anger, no hatred, no fear, just feeling resigned to their fate.

That one was funnier than the other one.
You could get them to kill each other.

Lucian Lachence getting killed and castrated is still a horrible view.

Locclo wrote:
Kind of a similar one in the same game, the Dark Brotherhood quest where you have to infiltrate a sort of party where everyone there is searching for a treasure. But what nobody else realizes is that you're there to kill everyone else in the house. As you pick them off, one by one, the others start getting angrier and more defensive, trying to figure out who's committing the murders. Then you get to the last one, and if you talk to the person, s/he just looks at you and goes, "Well...I guess that means you're the murderer, then." No anger, no hatred, no fear, just feeling resigned to their fate.

purplefood wrote:That one was funnier than the other one.
You could get them to kill each other.

Yeah, the locked house quest was a good one. You can play that in a few different ways, depending on the order that you kill them in, each one of them reacts differently as the last standing (some are resigned, some are agressive, some are petrified). You can keep them all relatively calm throughout or keep them all scared out of their wits...or you could just start swinging in a crowded room and chase the survivors around the house like a crazed axe-man (don't get the bonus for that though).

It's funny, that when people start dying, noone suspects the fully armed and armoured guest even a little.

thenoobbomb wrote:Lucian Lachence getting killed and castrated is still a horrible view.

Oh yeah, gruesome. but not entirely your fault, just too late.

I always wore a themed hat to my assassinations. A tradition I continue to this day...

 djphranq wrote:
@OP: Maybe you want to stick *possible spoilers* in your thread title.

All those games have been out for a least a year (Save XCOM but there's no spoilers there). If someone hasn't played them yet, the real question isn't why don't I have spoiler tags but rather wtf have some people been doing

 Dr H wrote:

It's funny, that when people start dying, noone suspects the fully armed and armoured guest even a little.

No one ever suspects the guy with the Blood Splattered Daedric Warhammer strapped to his back that bribed everyone when he first walked in. He gave you money, so he must not be the killer.


Whenever I did that quest, I would roll a d6 to see who I killed first and would try to pit them against one another.

 Cadorius wrote:

 LordofHats wrote:

5. (Pokemon Red and Blue) Picking Charmander. Cause the first two gyms are gonna make you their , especially the first one.

Charmander was actually the best choice. The 1st gym is easy (and you can skip the 2nd for a little while as I recall), because although they resist fire, it doesn't really matter since they lack magic defense. A huge benefit of going with Charmander is that you cross Viridian Forest early on and it's super easy training. Charmander ends up being very strong for most of the game with his good power, speed, fire attacks, and slash. You can play start to finish just using Charmander for battles with no power leveling. Bulbasaur is actually the worst choice by far. The game is full of bug/plant/poison types and one of the last places you go to is nothing but fire. Bulbasaur is pretty useless for most of the game.

Red and Blue had no special defense. There was just defense and in the original 150 back then Onix has one of the highest defense stats. Given that the only types you could gain access to early on were bug, normal, flying, and electric (and most of the attacks you had were normal type as well) the first Gym is very difficult to do as someone who picked Charmander without power leveling. The easiest solution was to train up a Butterfree who learned confusion at 10 for a neutral attack typing verses the Geodude's and Onix is Brock's team.

Misty is less difficult only because you can easily gain access to Oddish and Bellsprout in that area but those are pretty bad pokemon and I was never a fan of taking pokemon and training them when I was just going to dump them later on.

Bulbasaur was actually one of the best for the Gen 1 games (new attacks have brought him down) because for the gyms Bulbasaur can solo the first 3 easily and only 2 gyms present types that can defeat Bulbasaurs line (Sabrina and Blaine). Venasaur was also one of the only decent grass type in all of gen 1 along with Exeggutor). The rest were all trash. What you say is true of Fire Red and Leaf Green.

Fallout 3: First time I played I was really getting into the campaign. I return to Megaton and go into the bar, at which point I accidently pick up a fork. As this was considered stealing by the townsfolk they proceed to gun me down. Seeing as the game auto-saved when I left the bar, I would respawn in front of the people just to be gunned down again in an ongoing loop. Had to start a whole new campaign because of it.

Not a decision as such, but Mass Effect 3 when you are with Thane at the end, after you are told the prayer was for you, brings a tear to my eye....

 Valkyrie wrote:
Fallout 3: First time I played I was really getting into the campaign. I return to Megaton and go into the bar, at which point I accidently pick up a fork. As this was considered stealing by the townsfolk they proceed to gun me down. Seeing as the game auto-saved when I left the bar, I would respawn in front of the people just to be gunned down again in an ongoing loop. Had to start a whole new campaign because of it.

Hehe, been there my friend. Also tried to fix the bomb and cocked it up, thereby destroying Megaton by accident.....more annoying? I had planned on doing it anyway, but being not being there when it happened!

Only a few spring to mind as I try to play games as "morally" and carefully as possible.

Skyrim: Having to kill that imperial officer during the DB quest-line. Seeing him say goodbye to his family and him saying "ill be fine" knowing you are going to have to kill him.

Skyrim: Killing Pathunax. I only resolved to do this so I was sure I had the loyalty of the blades on my side. I kept thinking why cant you just lie to them and SAY you killed Pathunax? Its not like they can go up to the throat of the world and check.

Fallout New Vegas: Letting chief Hanlon kill himself. This annoys me no end because all the other endings I got were largely positive. How was I supposed to know he would react so badly to me alerting the authorities? His false reports were getting lots of soldiers killed.

 purplefood wrote:
I always wore a themed hat to my assassinations. A tradition I continue to this day...

Like a Boss!

Just the hat dude.
The rest was Nightingale...
I was like Skyrim's own Batman...
Except stabbier...