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valace2 wrote: I think Dorn would do very very well. He would probably try to find the high ground and set different kinds of traps to take his enemies out.
Now I'm getting images of Dorn as Arnie in Predator...
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I voted Russ, same as I always do on these threads
I like that throughout the heresy, the wolves were portrayed as willing to go further to secure victory - even though the other legions thought they were insane.
So Russ would have an early edge for me - half to three quarters of the primarchs would be taken by surprise. I think most of them would waste time trying to figure stuff out/make friends. Russ and Angron would just get on with business.
Although I'd love a three way fight between Guilliman, Horus and the Lion, each shouting "I'm the best!"
Although Guilliman wins in the the end - because Logistics.
Next up - Which primarch would win if they were all upside down? Which would win if they were blind folded?
It makes me laugh that we (me included) try so hard to quantify an order of hardness for primarchs.
Spoiler:
I love the fact that we all decided that Curze was better than the lion because he won the 'rumble in the dust' on tsalgualsa (however it's spelled)
Then, in the next Night Lords book, ABD (who's vocally against 'which primarch is hardest on the internets' IIRC) had Curze get his throat cut by the lion in 3 seconds flat. and back to the drawing board we went.Moral of the story is if we successfully do this, BL/GW will mix it up again
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Its because ordinance is still a word.
However, firing ordinance at someone isn't nearly as threatening as firing ordnance at someone.
Ordinance is a local law, or bill, or other form of legislation.
Ordnance is high caliber explosives.
No 'I' in ordnance.
Don't drown the enemy in legislation, drown them in explosives.
CrashCanuck wrote: Kurze, had to raise himself on a planet of theives and murderers, he is primarch batman
+1
So if we are talking a hunger games esque, start naked with no wargear scavange what you can then:
Can't sangunius fly? I mean, that would probably come in handy. He doesnt need to search for a jump pack.
I think Ferrus or Pertubo would be able to improvise weapons and armor to turn the tide.
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Pilau Rice wrote: No need for Bows and Arrows here so the Primarchs are fighting over a #1 Son medal dropped of by the Emperor before leaving them to it. All glance from side to side, waiting for the ..
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Guilliman is the first too die as EVERYONE bundles him.
A Cannon Sounds in the distance.
Lion goes after Horus because he thinks he should have been Warmaster as he was the First one to be created. Mortarion and Russ jump on Magnus who is trying to do some magic mumbo shizzle and quickly put him down.
A Cannon Sounds in the distance
Peturabo and Kurze double team Dorn, who gets flattened and sliced at the same time.
A Cannon Sounds in the distance
Lorgar is stood there trying to stop the fight.
Alpharius and Omegon are keeping their heads low and just bidding their time. Angron goes after Sanguinius as he's the only one to offer a challenge but he flies away. This annoys Angron who, unsurprisingly, gets angry and starts to yell. This attracts the attention of Ferrus who punches his head off.
A Cannon Sounds in the distance
Lorgar is still trying to diffuse the situation, not understanding what this is all about, once again no one is paying him any attention though.
Kurze and Corax are duking it out claw to claw until Vulkan turns them both to crispy critters with his flamer, that duly explodes as Ferrus crushes it with his hand flinging them both backwards.
A Cannon Sounds in the distance
A Cannon Sounds in the distance
Alpharius and Omegon, never to turn down an opportunity, rush over to Ferrus and use his own fists to beat him to death with in 'stop hitting yourself' style. Vulkans stricken form is then poked a few times in the brain by Fulgrim who has done little but laugh at the whole situation and talk to himself.
A Cannon Sounds in the distance
A Cannon Sounds in the distance
After sharing an 'I never liked the one eyed git' moment Russ starts to punch Mortarion in the face, who after a few hits to the noggin', decides that he doesn't like being punched much and quicker than you can say 'there are no wolves on Fenris' slices Russ in half with his Manreaper. Russ was never that bright.
A Cannon Sounds in the distance
Seeing his old rival now half the man he used to be The Lion is distracted for a second, letting forth a guffaw of amusement, allowing Horus to give him a pat on the head and then a squeeze.
A Cannon Sounds in the distance
Fulgrim is talking to himself and Lorgar who looks somewhat confused.
The Khan has been running around chasing Sanguinuis who is still flying around like a fairy. Unfortunately for him, Sanguinuis is aware of this, who flies over a wide chasm which the Khan plummets into after not paying enough attention as to where he was running.
A Cannon Sounds in the distance
Who will survive ... ?
I laughed so hard at this. To be honest, I do agree with those that mention that all those who have insane combat skills would be amongst the first to die, as they summarily kill each other. I'd also have to rule that this is before any daemonic upgrades, for fairness. Good ol' Sang can fly, but that won't help him much, as even he would understand the foolishness of standing out in sky. I would be more terrified of Dorn and Peturabo summarily turning the entire place into a minefield while no one is watching. Since Alpharius is on his own, I would actually rate him as being more dangerous. Chances are high that he would fake his own death with something suitably explosive, to hide the body, then simply go into his own little world while he waits for a winner to be declared. Then, in the midst of the awards, he bursts out onto the stage and kills the winner, while summarily thanking Omegon for his support on the side lines. Curze may have an advantage, depending on whether or not his little visions make him start losing it and he just sits there until someone finally kills him.
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Unyielding Hunger wrote: Curze may have an advantage, depending on whether or not his little visions make him start losing it and he just sits there until someone finally kills him.
Yes Curze's vission could make him the winner or the first to die, it really depends. He certainly would be a scrappy outcast and would probably know exactly who would kill him and how. The question is, does he want to die.
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We're talking about who would survive in the hunger games and 26 people have chosen a fluffy savage? What!? Why not choose the badass psyco angel who can fly!!!???
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Environment/terrain that hes comfortable in? Check. Above average survival/tracking skills? Check. Elevated Senses (even minus armor)? Check. Known for fighting "dirty" and WAAC attitude? Check. Knowledge of stealth/ambush tactics? Check. Capable melee fighter? Double check.
Sure, Sanginius would be a pain given the whole flying thing, but he'd have to find Russ as well, so could maybe see stalemate there if neither side was able to get an edge, but frankly dont see how any of the other primarchs can really compete otherwise.
It would be an interesting challenge though, since all of them are designed to resist exposure, starvation, and disease, so those factors would not matter nearly as much as they did in the book/movie.
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Corax wouldnt even be seen in this fight until he wants you too , and he would then have mined your bed with an atomic landmine , activated from a dried riverbed he had dug himself into 12 years prior waiting for you to get comfy in said rack...
I went with Magnus because magic.
I like how Russ has twice the support of the Lion. Russ was raised by wolves on an arctic death world. The Lion survived on his own on a death world populated by chaos infused hellbeasts.
First of all I'm assuming this is set right at the launch of the HH series. I realize that some of you just neck-beard/mouth-breather rage on Guilliman, but I'm going to try and make my case...
Hunger games is about waiting for the right moment and forming workable coalitions.
Horus and Guilliman come out way ahead in that category. Angron, Kruze, Khan, Vulcan are all solitary players. They get bushwacked by those able to make coalitions. Mortarion has authority issues and Lorgor is just plain weak at this point. I'm not sure how Corax would fit in to the mix.
Dorn, Guilliman, Russ, Sanguinus, and Manus were the "dauntless few" and had plans based on working together.
Certainly someone like Magnus is going to be a beast and really doesn't need help.
But Horus and his cohorts are clearly too agressive and Horus and Fulgrim are cronically over estimating their own abilities and underestimating others. Lion is too full of himself, and Alpharius (for all his alpomb) has been outwitted by Guilliman before (though I'll conceed having two of you is a nice advantage).
I see Horus's camp making a move too soon, the solitary guys being spent, and it being the survivors of the Dauntless Few facing off. Abnett says that at worst, Guilliman is top five in close combat. Clearly Horus and Angron have to be in that mix too... so maybe Russ and Sanguinus being in the fight still at the end?
I can see Russ being outmanuvered by Guilliman, so its down to him and Sanguinus. Sanguinus can be baited and Guilliman is the king of cool (as in patience).
I'm not seeing an easy call on any of the top 6 or so primarchs, but dismissing Guilliman, while popular with the haters, isn't true to the fluff or the established canon lore.
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Russ: "capable Melee fighter:double check" sanguinius is described by SO any sources as a far better fighter than Russ, he's is the second strongest (after Horus) Primarch in single combat and was described by Horus himself as who should really have been nominated as warmaster. Russ on the other hand is not described by any reliable sources as on of the best...
I went for Angron. He was crushed by a couple of tons of masonry, picked himself up and pulled himself out. Then proceeded to hack apart a platoon on his own. In fact he's kinda like the hulk. He's really angry (ANGRY ANGRON) anyway, then you try and kill him and he gets angrier and therefore kill-y-er.
Although I completely forgot about Corax, which shows how good he is at stealth...
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Haegr77 wrote: Pretty condifent Russ has just about every edge.
Environment/terrain that hes comfortable in? Check.
Above average survival/tracking skills? Check.
Elevated Senses (even minus armor)? Check.
Known for fighting "dirty" and WAAC attitude? Check.
Knowledge of stealth/ambush tactics? Check.
Capable melee fighter? Double check.
Sure, Sanginius would be a pain given the whole flying thing, but he'd have to find Russ as well, so could maybe see stalemate there if neither side was able to get an edge, but frankly dont see how any of the other primarchs can really compete otherwise.
It would be an interesting challenge though, since all of them are designed to resist exposure, starvation, and disease, so those factors would not matter nearly as much as they did in the book/movie.
The environment would have to be severe enough to affect the primarchs, not just saying dump them in Death Valley Antarctica, or Yellowstone national park. This wouldn't be a quick hunger games it could take awhile before it was all sorted out.
First of all I'm assuming this is set right at the launch of the HH series. I realize that some of you just neck-beard/mouth-breather rage on Guilliman, but I'm going to try and make my case...
Hunger games is about waiting for the right moment and forming workable coalitions.
Horus and Guilliman come out way ahead in that category. Angron, Kruze, Khan, Vulcan are all solitary players. They get bushwacked by those able to make coalitions. Mortarion has authority issues and Lorgor is just plain weak at this point. I'm not sure how Corax would fit in to the mix.
Dorn, Guilliman, Russ, Sanguinus, and Manus were the "dauntless few" and had plans based on working together.
Certainly someone like Magnus is going to be a beast and really doesn't need help.
But Horus and his cohorts are clearly too agressive and Horus and Fulgrim are cronically over estimating their own abilities and underestimating others. Lion is too full of himself, and Alpharius (for all his alpomb) has been outwitted by Guilliman before (though I'll conceed having two of you is a nice advantage).
I see Horus's camp making a move too soon, the solitary guys being spent, and it being the survivors of the Dauntless Few facing off. Abnett says that at worst, Guilliman is top five in close combat. Clearly Horus and Angron have to be in that mix too... so maybe Russ and Sanguinus being in the fight still at the end?
I can see Russ being outmanuvered by Guilliman, so its down to him and Sanguinus. Sanguinus can be baited and Guilliman is the king of cool (as in patience).
I'm not seeing an easy call on any of the top 6 or so primarchs, but dismissing Guilliman, while popular with the haters, isn't true to the fluff or the established canon lore.
See Guilliman was always a know it all, he wanted the others to listen to him and while he didn't speak against Horus becoming waj master he was a little stung by it, he also coerced the remaining loyalist primarchs into adopting the codex astartes. He would be the first to go because I think most of the other primarchs really didn't like his holier than though attitude.
Also while Angron is a solitary type of guy he is very intelligent when not on roid rage so he would see the wisdom in siding with Horus and the other careers at the start. That's the same reason Magnus would be with them, his psychic power would be very attractive. Alaphius would weasel his way in.
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I'm just wondering why it's also being assumed these fights would be over in minutes. Didn't Russ and Lion go at it for days before Russ started laughing at the situation and got sucker punched?
Also is this pre-heresy primarchs? Because if it wasn't then wouldn't their be two teams, one traitor and one loyalist? I think it depends which of those two teams was left and then go through who would be left of them.
Pilau Rice wrote: No need for Bows and Arrows here so the Primarchs are fighting over a #1 Son medal dropped of by the Emperor before leaving them to it. All glance from side to side, waiting for the ..
GGGOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGG
Guilliman is the first too die as EVERYONE bundles him.
A Cannon Sounds in the distance.
Lion goes after Horus because he thinks he should have been Warmaster as he was the First one to be created. Mortarion and Russ jump on Magnus who is trying to do some magic mumbo shizzle and quickly put him down.
A Cannon Sounds in the distance
Peturabo and Kurze double team Dorn, who gets flattened and sliced at the same time.
A Cannon Sounds in the distance
Lorgar is stood there trying to stop the fight.
Alpharius and Omegon are keeping their heads low and just bidding their time. Angron goes after Sanguinius as he's the only one to offer a challenge but he flies away. This annoys Angron who, unsurprisingly, gets angry and starts to yell. This attracts the attention of Ferrus who punches his head off.
A Cannon Sounds in the distance
Lorgar is still trying to diffuse the situation, not understanding what this is all about, once again no one is paying him any attention though.
Kurze and Corax are duking it out claw to claw until Vulkan turns them both to crispy critters with his flamer, that duly explodes as Ferrus crushes it with his hand flinging them both backwards.
A Cannon Sounds in the distance
A Cannon Sounds in the distance
Alpharius and Omegon, never to turn down an opportunity, rush over to Ferrus and use his own fists to beat him to death with in 'stop hitting yourself' style. Vulkans stricken form is then poked a few times in the brain by Fulgrim who has done little but laugh at the whole situation and talk to himself.
A Cannon Sounds in the distance
A Cannon Sounds in the distance
After sharing an 'I never liked the one eyed git' moment Russ starts to punch Mortarion in the face, who after a few hits to the noggin', decides that he doesn't like being punched much and quicker than you can say 'there are no wolves on Fenris' slices Russ in half with his Manreaper. Russ was never that bright.
A Cannon Sounds in the distance
Seeing his old rival now half the man he used to be The Lion is distracted for a second, letting forth a guffaw of amusement, allowing Horus to give him a pat on the head and then a squeeze.
A Cannon Sounds in the distance
Fulgrim is talking to himself and Lorgar who looks somewhat confused.
The Khan has been running around chasing Sanguinuis who is still flying around like a fairy. Unfortunately for him, Sanguinuis is aware of this, who flies over a wide chasm which the Khan plummets into after not paying enough attention as to where he was running.
A Cannon Sounds in the distance
Who will survive ... ?
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What about 2 and 11...... all the others think they are gone, but they could just be hiding and waiting. or maybe they have already won the games before, we know nothing about them....... Also just read that one of the primarchs had the power of invisibility,if this is true invisibility then it must be one of the lost 2 and that could be very useful
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Kurze. Like someone said, he is Primarch Batman. He'd just wait for night to fall.
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HerbaciousT wrote: Kurze. Like someone said, he is Primarch Batman. He'd just wait for night to fall.
So is Corax. Also primarchs can see in the dark he gets no buff, they are also immune to fear so terror tactic won't work. Ultimately he would be tank slapped by almost every primarch he eventually came across hell even Russ would beat him...
BaconUprising wrote: Russ: "capable Melee fighter:double check" sanguinius is described by SO any sources as a far better fighter than Russ, he's is the second strongest (after Horus) Primarch in single combat and was described by Horus himself as who should really have been nominated as warmaster. Russ on the other hand is not described by any reliable sources as on of the best...
Source' Ooooo, you mean that one line from unsecure Corax ? Check
My vote Russ - no one is a better hunter....
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thenoobbomb wrote: The invisibility may refer to Alpharius/Omegon's stealth skill.
You wroted Alpharius 4-5 times - and frankly he goes first....
Magnus would open a portal and flee to the studio...
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ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
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