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Can you recite where moving under flyer are moving through terrain?

And P.30 is an exception to the normal rule as is the flyer rule, they are bot exceptions in different ways. My point still stands, if a flyer's base can stand on me, ı can stand on a flyer's base.

There's of course, that one caveat under the Zooming Flyer rules which state that models still need to be 1" away from the flyer's base no matter what... And unless you're intending to magnetically levitate your models an inch off of the flyer's base, this specific rule prevents you from having any models on the flyer's base itself.

In the section where it says a flyer may end its move over another unit, the specific wording refers to the flyer, not its base. Taking its interpretation, you are allowed to have parts of a flyer (i.e. its wings) over another unit. The wording is quite clear when it refers to the flyer - it does not refer to the base. In any case, even IF you decide to interpret that ruling of "flyer" to include "the flyer and its base", there is no possible way a flyer (on its base) can stand on another unit (trying to imagine squishing a space marine model with my entire flyer + base here...) safely.

When you put both rules together, you get a ruling that tells you that your flyer may have any parts of its hull above another unit, BUT all units still need to be 1" away from the flyer's base. Nowhere is specific permission given for you to have models on the flyer's base, and nowhere states that the base of a flyer is a piece of terrain.

 Enigwolf wrote:
There's of course, that one caveat under the Zooming Flyer rules which state that models still need to be 1" away from the flyer's base no matter what... And unless you're intending to magnetically levitate your models an inch off of the flyer's base, this specific rule prevents you from having any models on the flyer's base itself.

In the section where it says a flyer may end its move over another unit, the specific wording refers to the flyer, not its base. Taking its interpretation, you are allowed to have parts of a flyer (i.e. its wings) over another unit. The wording is quite clear when it refers to the flyer - it does not refer to the base. In any case, even IF you decide to interpret that ruling of "flyer" to include "the flyer and its base", there is no possible way a flyer (on its base) can stand on another unit (trying to imagine squishing a space marine model with my entire flyer + base here...) safely.

When you put both rules together, you get a ruling that tells you that your flyer may have any parts of its hull above another unit, BUT all units still need to be 1" away from the flyer's base. Nowhere is specific permission given for you to have models on the flyer's base, and nowhere states that the base of a flyer is a piece of terrain.

the 1" rule is for the enemy units not friendly.

To my knowledge there is not a single rule about friendly units not being able to be in base contact in any situation, if i am wrong please refer.

 pizzaguardian wrote:
Can you recite where moving under flyer are moving through terrain?

And P.30 is an exception to the normal rule as is the flyer rule, they are bot exceptions in different ways. My point still stands, if a flyer's base can stand on me, ı can stand on a flyer's base.

A Flyers base is not terrain, so you can not move on top of it.

 pizzaguardian wrote:

 Enigwolf wrote:
There's of course, that one caveat under the Zooming Flyer rules which state that models still need to be 1" away from the flyer's base no matter what... And unless you're intending to magnetically levitate your models an inch off of the flyer's base, this specific rule prevents you from having any models on the flyer's base itself.

In the section where it says a flyer may end its move over another unit, the specific wording refers to the flyer, not its base. Taking its interpretation, you are allowed to have parts of a flyer (i.e. its wings) over another unit. The wording is quite clear when it refers to the flyer - it does not refer to the base. In any case, even IF you decide to interpret that ruling of "flyer" to include "the flyer and its base", there is no possible way a flyer (on its base) can stand on another unit (trying to imagine squishing a space marine model with my entire flyer + base here...) safely.

When you put both rules together, you get a ruling that tells you that your flyer may have any parts of its hull above another unit, BUT all units still need to be 1" away from the flyer's base. Nowhere is specific permission given for you to have models on the flyer's base, and nowhere states that the base of a flyer is a piece of terrain.

the 1" rule is for the enemy units not friendly.

To my knowledge there is not a single rule about friendly units not being able to be in base contact in any situation, if i am wrong please refer.

I recall seeing the rule somewhere else, but I can't seem to find it. I did find this for Independent Characters though, BRB Pg. 39 "Independent Character - Joining and Leaving a Unit" paragraph 2:

..It must (where possible) remain more than 2" away from it at the end of the Movement phase.

 pizzaguardian wrote:

 Enigwolf wrote:
There's of course, that one caveat under the Zooming Flyer rules which state that models still need to be 1" away from the flyer's base no matter what... And unless you're intending to magnetically levitate your models an inch off of the flyer's base, this specific rule prevents you from having any models on the flyer's base itself.

In the section where it says a flyer may end its move over another unit, the specific wording refers to the flyer, not its base. Taking its interpretation, you are allowed to have parts of a flyer (i.e. its wings) over another unit. The wording is quite clear when it refers to the flyer - it does not refer to the base. In any case, even IF you decide to interpret that ruling of "flyer" to include "the flyer and its base", there is no possible way a flyer (on its base) can stand on another unit (trying to imagine squishing a space marine model with my entire flyer + base here...) safely.

When you put both rules together, you get a ruling that tells you that your flyer may have any parts of its hull above another unit, BUT all units still need to be 1" away from the flyer's base. Nowhere is specific permission given for you to have models on the flyer's base, and nowhere states that the base of a flyer is a piece of terrain.

the 1" rule is for the enemy units not friendly.

To my knowledge there is not a single rule about friendly units not being able to be in base contact in any situation, if i am wrong please refer.

You can move into base contact with a friendly model's base. You just can't move on top of/through that base. As page 30 (and multiple other places in the rules) reminds us.

It's about clearly marking what unit an Independence character is a member of and doesn't have much bearing here.

 Mannahnin wrote:

 pizzaguardian wrote:

 Enigwolf wrote:
There's of course, that one caveat under the Zooming Flyer rules which state that models still need to be 1" away from the flyer's base no matter what... And unless you're intending to magnetically levitate your models an inch off of the flyer's base, this specific rule prevents you from having any models on the flyer's base itself.

In the section where it says a flyer may end its move over another unit, the specific wording refers to the flyer, not its base. Taking its interpretation, you are allowed to have parts of a flyer (i.e. its wings) over another unit. The wording is quite clear when it refers to the flyer - it does not refer to the base. In any case, even IF you decide to interpret that ruling of "flyer" to include "the flyer and its base", there is no possible way a flyer (on its base) can stand on another unit (trying to imagine squishing a space marine model with my entire flyer + base here...) safely.

When you put both rules together, you get a ruling that tells you that your flyer may have any parts of its hull above another unit, BUT all units still need to be 1" away from the flyer's base. Nowhere is specific permission given for you to have models on the flyer's base, and nowhere states that the base of a flyer is a piece of terrain.

the 1" rule is for the enemy units not friendly.

To my knowledge there is not a single rule about friendly units not being able to be in base contact in any situation, if i am wrong please refer.

You can move into base contact with a friendly model's base. You just can't move on top of/through that base. As page 30 (and multiple other places in the rules) reminds us.

I am trying to tell that the flyers are an exception to the rule, since nearly all of their rules are different from vehicles /infantry.

@Deathreaper

Couldn't i suggest the point where the flyer's base is ignored except for 2 specific pourposes , and effectively not there , so it can be moved through and stayed upon?

 pizzaguardian wrote:
@Deathreaper

Couldn't i suggest the point where the flyer's base is ignored except for 2 specific pourposes , and effectively not there , so it can be moved through and stayed upon?

You could suggest that, what section is it under?

Flyers and Measuring?

So it is ignored for measuring, but not for moving.

Do not ignore the context of the section.

I think after a certain point you have to sit back and play the game. The flyer is obviously flying and although its base is not terrain, it has to have a base or you need to set up some elaborate wire system to properly portray your flyer flying. I think you can fairly place the models on the base of the flyer or nearby and just tell your opponent that you'll move them or account for them being under the flyer during the next movement / shooting phase.

Saying that a flyers base is not terrain of any type and that units can not move on anything not terrain is the kind of response that doesn't help answer the question, it just confuses the issue more.

 DeathReaper wrote:

 pizzaguardian wrote:
@Deathreaper

Couldn't i suggest the point where the flyer's base is ignored except for 2 specific pourposes , and effectively not there , so it can be moved through and stayed upon?

You could suggest that, what section is it under?

Flyers and Measuring?

So it is ignored for measuring, but not for moving.

Do not ignore the context of the section.

You are correct. So i will suggest flyers and other models section which allows us to move beneath the flyer and the flyer can move over other models. This allows to place models anywhere under the flyer.

Does "move under" equate to "stop under"?

ID say no based on Jump Infantry being able to move over friendly units or impassable terrain but not being able to stop there (unless its flat enough to land on).

 pizzaguardian wrote:
So i will suggest flyers and other models section which allows us to move beneath the flyer and the flyer can move over other models. This allows to place models anywhere under the flyer.

You can move beneath the flyer, but it does not give an allowance to ignore the base ofr movement purposes.

Plus you are only allowed to move through terrain, a flyers base is not terrain.

Can you refer where i can not move somewhere that is not terrain?

(I am also not forfeiting the point that stormravens base is not terrain btw)

Page 90 classifies terrain into a few categories.

Difficult, Dangerous, Impassible Etc.

"Any area not specifically classed as a type of terrain (such
as a building, ruin, forest, river, battlefield wreckage or unique
terrain) is considered to be open ground." P. 90

So terrain is what makes up the entire battlefield.

P.119 has the three different deployment maps, and P.120 tells you how to set up terrain on the battlefield.

P.121 says "Armies are placed within the owning player's deployment zone."

So models that are deployed must be deployed in terrain, and the movement rules do not say that you can move through anything that is not terrain. (Permissive ruleset tells us what we are allowed to do.) The deployment and terrain sections establish that models must be deployed in terrain (Open terrain is still terrain).

Therefore since nothing says you can move through something that is not terrain, then you can only move through terrain.

As discussed earlier in this thread, as well, the flyer rules tell us that the base is ignored except for a couple of specific purposes, then immediately go on to detail MORE things for which they are not ignored.

The rules which say you can move under the flyer also are quite explicit that despite being able to move under the flyer, enemy models still have to remain at all times 1" away from the base. So the allowance to move under the flyer clearly doesn't mean that the base can just be moved over. There's an implicit "except for the base" caveat on the permission to move under the flyer.