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2012/12/31 22:36:18
Subject: Feel no pain
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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It interacts the same way as an unactivated force weapon. See my above post on how to handle it.
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar, Gozer the Traveler, and Lord of the Sebouillia |
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2012/12/31 22:37:12
Subject: Feel no pain
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Backlash wrote:So a related question, how would weapons with special rules that inflict ID interact with FNP? Tyranid Boneswords for example.
"If a model suffers one or more unsaved wound in close combat from a tryanid with a bonesword, it must immediately pass a leadership test or suffer instant death."
Would the model take the leadership test first? As it is taken immediately after the unsaved wound? If they fail, ID occurs and FNP cannot be taken? If the test is pass FNP can be taken as normal? Or does the fact that ID CAN occur ignore FNP completely? Or does FNP have to be failed before the ability can be activated?
Well it is debates. As HJ said:
 Happyjew wrote:There are two ways to look at this:
Since FNP makes the unsaved wound saved, it must come before anything that triggers off an unsaved wound ( FW activation, ES, etc).
Since both players have actions that go off of unsaved wounds, who's ever turn it is decides order.
Personally, I say it is the first option, however, others disagree.
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2013/01/03 01:56:02
Subject: Feel no pain
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 juraigamer wrote:The rule is in the BRB, please look at it, it states clearly when you may and may not take FNP.
Furthermore, as a general rule, FNP is always taken after saves, but before effects. So if you fail and armor save, but make a FNP roll, you still have armor against a wound from entropic strike.
Where do you see this "general rule"?
Also, FnP is specifically listed as NOT being a save
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2013/01/03 01:59:35
Subject: Feel no pain
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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That is because of it were a save, you only could use it or an armour/invuln/cover save.
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar, Gozer the Traveler, and Lord of the Sebouillia |
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2013/01/03 09:03:45
Subject: Feel no pain
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Veteran Wolf Guard Squad Leader
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