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 labmouse42 wrote:

MarkyMark wrote:
The OP said opponent was running max flamers which is 12 is it not?

Its 9.

MarkyMark wrote:
IMO it says to create a circle, not a semi or demi circle so with 5 flamers IMO it would be 1 guy in the middle and one guy at each point (I.e North East South West) thats how I always deepstrike my units but most people dont play that way.

It does not say anything about how to build the circle. Read it again. It says to make concentric circles, so one must make the second circle complete before building the third circle.

Concentric objects share the same center, axis or origin. That's the only criteria of concentric. There is nothing about them being built in a specific pattern.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentric

MarkyMark wrote:
And feel free to 'bolter' the front of the rhino..... and with 6 flamers hitting the rhino, is that just glancing it to death?, nice and bunched up for some templates after killing 35pts of rhino

Heh, usually I'm flaming units, not rhinos. The rhino was there to illustrate a point.

Yep, only reason I would take rhinos is if I knew I was facing demons, it has also been mentioned above about putting units in rhinos.
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It does state to place first model then build a circle of models around it, it states the requirement of placing them in base to base with the first model in a circle. After that circle is complete then move onto the next, In your second picture, thats a semi circle, not a circle imo...

MarkyMark wrote:
It does state to place first model then build a circle of models around it, it states the requirement of placing them in base to base with the first model in a circle. After that circle is complete then move onto the next, In your second picture, thats a semi circle, not a circle imo...

There are multiple ways to build a circle. The only requirement is that you must place the model in contact with the first model, or if you're starting the second circle, the model must be in contact with the first circle. It does not state that you must place them in contact with any other models in the circle you are building. You really have no rules support for your assertion, just your idea of how a circle should be built.

So in his second picture, would that be in a circle around the first model? can you draw a circle from each model to the next? or a would you be drawing a semi circle?


Taking this a bit off topic, will put up a post in YMDC

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/498897.page#5147206

MarkyMark wrote:
So in his second picture, would that be in a circle around the first model? can you draw a circle from each model to the next? or a would you be drawing a semi circle?


Taking this a bit off topic, will put up a post in YMDC

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/498897.page#5147206

Hey, just want to say -- what a great way to have a discussion. Its nice to talk with rational, reasonable people.

I have always deepstruck as labmouse describes - it gets even better though when placing Seekers on the biker bases, you can never really make a circle our of them.

I've also used it to my advantage when deep striking seeker chariots. When deep striking 3 things on flying bases, your ability to stretch that 'circle' is very nice. You can get an extra 6" of movement for the squad by careful placing -- or more importantly keeping chariots out of terrain.

This is somewhat off the OP but;

I play both C:SM and C:GK.

When I but togther a "all-comers" list that was good against daemons I used GKs as my core and allied with BA

HQ

Coteaz
Inquisitor
BA Librarian

Troop

3x Strike
2x with Rhinos all with psycannons

1x Assault
meltagun, drop packs for Razor with T-L lascannon

Elite

Vindicare Assassin

Fast attack

Interceptors
Incinerator, halberds

Heavy Support

2x Purgation Squad
psycannons

Devestator Squad
Heavy bolters

Fortifications

Bastion
Icarus Lascannon



This list comes out to 1745. All Psykers bring Prescience and use on the Purgation and Dev squads. Rhinos have Strikes inside and provide cover for the Purgations. Devs in the Bastion with the Librarian. Vindicare placed where he has best field of fire, sometimes the Bastion. Interceptors on board agasint Daemons or Reserves against anyone else. Strikes and Interceptors use Warp Quake with interlocking bubbles, interlocking the bubbles ensures that if you fail a psychic check for Warp Quake you don't leave a large gap in coverage. The Purgations are great because not only do they tote 4 psycannons their Astral Aim is huge when pesky units try to hide behind terrain. Enemy fliers are also wary since 16 shots at Strength 7 is likely able to swat them from the sky and the Icarus is their to intercept incoming reserve units.

Key thing to note is that this list needs to be supported tightly and in the center of the board to have the maximum ability to counter opposing units. It isn't an agressive attacking list but is an agressive passive list, forward deploy too much and it may not be supported enough and units can be picked off. Barring opposing players rolling obscene numbers of 5+ saves, this list has played well against all comers and excellent against daemons.

As a daemon player one thing that whittles me down faster than no other (consistantly) are large blasts.

We DS in clumps. 1 large blast can hit all 9. Thats enough to kill half, and we only get 5+ saves. Trust me, its hard to make enough to matter. Especially if you follow it up with another blast.
But any concentrated fire will do the trick. Don't leave 2 flamers up and work on the next group, cause those 2 flamers will kill 10 marines next turn. Might as well have 2 squads of flamers kill 20 marines instead of 3 squads killing 30.
You should be able to eliminate a squad or 2 quite comfortably.

The other tactic, is melee. Now you don't exactly want to be charging flamers left and right, and most of the time if you think you can make it, you can't. But they suck so much balls in CC. WS of 2 ffs.
Dual charge to eat their overwatch.