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 DeathReaper wrote:

FenixZero wrote:
... Slow and Purposeful (Termies) models fire Salvo weapons as if they didn't move.

Wait, Terminators are Slow and Purposeful?

Not 100% sure about that, just figured that they were. . .

Sorry for the confusion if they weren't.

 DeathReaper wrote:

FenixZero wrote:
... Slow and Purposeful (Termies) models fire Salvo weapons as if they didn't move.

Wait, Terminators are Slow and Purposeful?

I haven't read the codex but that is a massive hit. If true.

It isnt true, hence the people pointing this out.

 Texx wrote:
I think its a stupid question, but the stormbolters (deathwing) also get the salvo 2/4 since stormbolters are a type of boltGUN (according to the main rulebook)?

Thus it would appear that it works for all three Dark Angel army's standard guns (DW, RW, green wing)? I guess they'll be called the Dakka Angels from now on.

*shudders*

No, because they have a different statline then boltguns.

 Texx wrote:
I think its a stupid question, but the stormbolters (deathwing) also get the salvo 2/4 since stormbolters are a type of boltGUN (according to the main rulebook)?

Thus it would appear that it works for all three Dark Angel army's standard guns (DW, RW, green wing)? I guess they'll be called the Dakka Angels from now on.

*shudders*

Page 56 of the BRB shows a list of the Boltguns.

So what do they consider "bolters"?

Is it just the "Boltgun"

Or is it all the "Boltguns" listed on P. 56 such as the:
Bolt pistol
Boltgun
Storm bolter
HIeavy bolter
Vulcan mega-bolter

Does the rule give any guidance on what they mean when they say "Bolter"?

It's just Boltguns. Your Bolt Pistol isn't going to become Salvo 2/4, and neither is your Stormbolters.

Do relentless platforms (such as the bikes) get to fire 4 shots regardless of if they moved, or do they have to fire at half range/half shots as well?

Crazyterran wrote:
It's just Boltguns. Your Bolt Pistol isn't going to become Salvo 2/4, and neither is your Stormbolters.

Can I get a rules quote to back this up, "Some guy on the internet said so" is not going to cut it at the shop.

Crazyterran wrote:
It's just Boltguns. Your Bolt Pistol isn't going to become Salvo 2/4, and neither is your Stormbolters.

Do relentless platforms (such as the bikes) get to fire 4 shots regardless of if they moved, or do they have to fire at half range/half shots as well?

Relentless models count as stationary when firing weapons, so yes.

@DeathReaper

You can use the C:SM FAQ as precedent (the bit about sternguard and special ammunition) to rule out storm bolters.

 DeathReaper wrote:

Crazyterran wrote:
It's just Boltguns. Your Bolt Pistol isn't going to become Salvo 2/4, and neither is your Stormbolters.

Can I get a rules quote to back this up, "Some guy on the internet said so" is not going to cut it at the shop.

Because the entry for "Boltgun" is S4 AP5 Rapid Fire? Sometimes it even becomes S4 AP5 Rapid Fire Twin-Linked?

It's by name, unless it specifies otherwise. Hurricane Bolters are 3 Boltguns w/ Twin Linked. Bikes have Boltguns that are twin linked.

Stormbolters are not Boltguns. Heavy Bolters are not Boltguns.

Unless Space Marine Missile Launchers can now launch Flakk Missiles for free, being under the Boltgun entry in the Rulebook means jack and gak.

Unless the back of your Codex has "Bolter" instead of "Boltgun", I think it's pretty obvious what it means.

^ is right
Boltguns is a weapon category.
boltgun is a weapon.
this refers to the Boltgun.
Even if the codex used bolter, the text under bolguns states "The Boltgun or Bolter, meaning Bolter is the same as Boltgun however still not the same as Boltguns.

To follow up on the combi-weapon: from BRB p 56:

Combi-weapons are boltguns that have been specially
modified by skilled artisans.

and

A model armed with a combi-weapon can choose to fire either the primary boltgun, or the secondary weapon.

The way I've worded it for combiweapons in another thread is that the combiweapon IS a bolter, and its also a single shot special weapon, because you're told to use those profiles. The only oddity is that they're bought as one wargear option and not two.

This also explains why your plasma shot doesnt suddenly become salvo a a result! The rules treat that shot as a separate weapon, and that weapon isn't a bolter.