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I have bought about 10 finecast models since they began and none have been too bad at all. I buy them without hesitation, but have seen some in store I have passed over because they had some defects. Recently my local GW closed, so my FLGS has been ordering them for me, so I have getten 3, sight unseen, and the worse issue I came accross was a bent weapon handle and a bubble on a sholder pad that chipped off when I messed with it. I would just get it and don't think about what to do if it's messes up until you see IF it's messed up.
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The real question is why you want that completely and utterly terrible Lammasu?
Buy the Raging Heroes Manticore. Order the 'Shedu' head for it. You can order it bundled or separately. The 'Shedu' head used to be called the Lammasu head until GW stomped on that. They've renamed it and re-released it.
Far better model.
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Loki is bang on the money - why would you want GW's herpaderp Lammasu when Raging Heroes' is tons better?
I own exactly one Finecost model, and it's pretty much perfect. Of course, I actively avoid Finecost models because I have no great love of resin and the quality abundant quality issues that others have suffered turn me off the compound (plus it's stupidly expensive and was marketed as a cancer-curing saviour of all miniature gaming, which it isn't - it's a cheap and tacky material that they're using to save money, yet are charging us a mint for). It takes something pretty special to get me to buy Finecost, and "Dark Mechanicus Chaos Space Marine" is one of those things, hence the reason I own the Warpsmith.
And I keep wanting to reply to the OP with "Is it secret?". @ me.
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I just got the Finecast Belial. It's far from perfect, but certainly servicable. The biggest flaw was that one of the posts that the arms fit on to was replaced with an air bubble, but I was going to drill them out and magnetize them anyway, so no biggie.
At any rate, it was much better than some of the earlier casts I have seen, but even then, the only unusable one I've ever personally laid eyes on was a Jump Pack Chaplin that my roommate bought. The entire bolt pistol shoulder pad crest was pretty much a solid block of resin twice as thick as it should have been, no rivets or detail. He carved it down to make it usable, but not before taking pictures and getting a new model sent out.
-Loki- wrote: The real question is why you want that completely and utterly terrible Lammasu?
Buy the Raging Heroes Manticore. Order the 'Shedu' head for it. You can order it bundled or separately. The 'Shedu' head used to be called the Lammasu head until GW stomped on that. They've renamed it and re-released it.
Far better model.
Ahem! It's not like I didn't post that solution earlier.
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I recently purchased a plague marines box from my LFGS for my mate and she had a number of issues with a few of them. One was actually an unusable arm as it was literally a part of the sprue. She has pictures somewhere of the horror, I'll see if I can find em.
Luckily being nurgle and all, it wasn't too bad to fix em up proper. Just borrowed an arm from the ravenwing set I bought and things went together great. In fact, they actually provided one extra body. I'm not sure if it was a mistake or a "we're sorry for crap QC so here's an extra dude." but I'll take it.
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Recently got a Sammael figure - couple months ago - to go with some DVDA I got cheap. Sword super-bent (like 180 degrees, like a fun noodle) and some pitting/bubbles. Emailed GW customer service a picture and and was told to buy some liquid greenstuff to fill the pitting and to heat the sword and bend it back in place.
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Occasionally I still find faults with Finecast models. My first Finecast all had their holes and bubbles and occasional tiny missing part (though usually nothing a little green stuff couldn't take care of). More recently they have all been good though. I am still reluctant to buy anything that I cannot check through the box though...
Heh, picked up another Finecast mini a while ago... it was horrible, really horrible. I was keeping track to see when my local GW restocked their WoC Khorne Exalted Hero's because I also heard the recent stuff was better...
-Loki- wrote: The real question is why you want that completely and utterly terrible Lammasu?
Buy the Raging Heroes Manticore. Order the 'Shedu' head for it. You can order it bundled or separately. The 'Shedu' head used to be called the Lammasu head until GW stomped on that. They've renamed it and re-released it.
Far better model.
Actually, the "Shedu" head is slightly different to the original Lammasu head, though both are very nice. I'm planning to buy a second RH Manticore down the line to assemble with a different head, since the model is so nice.
As for finecast, I've only had bad luck with it. Box of BT guys and a Mordor Troll. Got replacements for both without a problem, but both replacements also had issues. At that point, I gave up, decided to fix them myself/convert them and simply resolved to never buy finecast again.
I find the term 'finecrap' about as annoying as 'M$' on a linux forum.
That being said, there are some issues. I've only purchased one so far, and it had a few bubbles near the bottom of the cape. My friend got a necron lord where part of the cape had broken off. I'd probably buy again anyway just because the issues were very minor, but I definitely wouldn't buy without being able to look in the blister first.
It might be annoying but "finecrap" is the only way I would describe it. Actual resin gets just as much detail with the same amount of problems as plastic (ie some mold lines and injection tabs, easy to fix stuff that can't be helped) but finecast is just problem after problem for me.
A lot of the time people will say it's just a few bubbles or whatever but there is a point where 'a few' actually becomes 'too many' and if that is happening to every model you get then that is a serious problem.
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The Akkadians got there first about 5 millenia ago so GW was just going their usual heavy handed route, of course this was before GW got their nasty shock from Chapterhouse Studios.
Personally I won't go near finecast. I only buy my GW stuff from Ebay and the chances of getting a defective finecast model from there are extremely high with no recourse to a refund. Even if I was buying directly from GW there are still enough reports of duff castings that I would wait until GW's QC improves further.
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I have been 3 of 5 for models without problems. One was a set of Incubi during the first run and a Fire Belly. The fire bell was minor with an air bubble in an ear lobe. Was easy to fix and had to deal with worst issue on metal models than that. The incubi on the other hand were horrible. Bubbles, thick flash, and actual mold parts. Got a Isabella Von Carstein, DE Lamasu, and unit of Wracks with no problem.
Was hoping to hear that there were no problems with the newer releases, but sounds like they still have problems with the Dark Angles release.
However, I don't see this as a casting issue, but a QC issue. Major bubbles and unusable parts are unavoidable in all resin casting, but should never have made it into a package. As for bending, see that across all lines. Recently got a Spartan Games Dystopian War ship that was misshapen. Fortunately hot water always fixes that.
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I'm thinking about making my first Finecast purchase, but I'm uncertain on what trouble it might bring.
There's been lots of talk back and forth like "Finecast is crap", "Finecast was crap", "Finecast has always been good", "Only the models that used to be metal is crap, the original Finecast is good" blah blah.
Thoughts? Worth the risk of the hassle?
I'm asking specifically about models that are "Web Exclusive" on the GW site. That means I can't swap the model on spot if there would be issues.
Finecast isn't horrible. usually decent quality. Sometimes there are faults and gaps in the model, some can make it impossible to paint happily.
The trick is to buy it online and have it sent to your LGS. That way, you can open it up at the LGS and if there are any faults you can bring it up with the staff there.
I did this with corbulo, unfortunately there was a large chunk of his shoulderpad missing - I spoke to the staff and they gave me no trouble about it - my replacement only took three days to be sent out to me.
It's hard to tell when you're being forced to look through a blister, but from what I could see all the Asmodai and Belial models my local store got for the DA release were decent. Didn't see any real glaring faults, just a couple of bubbles. Granted that's only one half of the sprue, the other side could still be a complete mess, but still.
That said, they also got a restock of some CSM models at the same time and the dark apostle I looked at was pure trash, and that's from another recent release. So who really knows, but personally my gut feeling is to say it's still a mixed bag and you're taking a big gamble buying it.
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And I keep wanting to reply to the OP with "Is it secret?". @ me.
Lol that was my first thought when I saw the title.
Personally I've seen some pretty nasty fine cast, and I've seen some perfect ones. The ratio of undamaged models has definitely increased so I think GW finally figured out how to work the material. But like others have said, just inspect the model in store and if there is a problem be polite and ask for a replacement. Should work out fine.
I just got the Finecast Belial and Asmodai and had to return them both to the FLGS. At least I tried to. They had an Asmodai that looked better (there was a hole in the cowl of the original), but the Belial?
They had two extra Belial's and BOTH had the same section of the back with at least two holes in the sides of the power generator section. One of them had three small holes. All are thin enough to see light through (these are the raised 'walls' that stick out on the sides of the back vents). One of the two had the section that had the sword arm and main body bent at a near 45 degree angle. The entire batch the FLGS received was bad and the employee was talking about sending them all back as I left the store.
I have a half dozen ForgeWorld Termies, 2 Apothecaries, and a Russ turret and the worse I've seen was some bent lightning claws. It's like night and day between the two 'companies'.
Recently purchased Typhon at my FLGS. It took a few visits as most of the models were miscast. It's not bad, but I think I'd prefer pewter for the durability (this model is too soft imo).
Finecast looks good if there are no bubbles obscuring detail.
If.
At best in terms of looks it's the same as the old metal models, albeit very easy to cut, clean and convert. At worst they will have nasty, nasty bubbles (like on the figure's face) and horrible bends. Me, I'm not a gambling person.
The last finecast model I bought was the CSM dark Apostle. I looked through all the blister packs and got the one that looked the best, and it's still only just passable, I nearly took it back.
The bubble issue that plagued early finecast seems to have mostly gone away to be replaced with some malformed small details. This particular model also had a 'step' in one of the pieces that is too delicate to remove (it's on the big halo, which is also very bendy - if it survives transport it will be a miracle) and it also has a HUGE amount of channels to be cut off.
Personally I wouldn't order any finecast online with no way to check the quality. I'm avoiding finecast again for the time being in favour of ebay metals.
I'm thinking about making my first Finecast purchase, but I'm uncertain on what trouble it might bring.
There's been lots of talk back and forth like "Finecast is crap", "Finecast was crap", "Finecast has always been good", "Only the models that used to be metal is crap, the original Finecast is good" blah blah.
Thoughts? Worth the risk of the hassle?
I'm asking specifically about models that are "Web Exclusive" on the GW site. That means I can't swap the model on spot if there would be issues.
I've gotten a couple things in finecast, I think the problems have been sorted out. The models look just fine.
I'm thinking about making my first Finecast purchase, but I'm uncertain on what trouble it might bring.
There's been lots of talk back and forth like "Finecast is crap", "Finecast was crap", "Finecast has always been good", "Only the models that used to be metal is crap, the original Finecast is good" blah blah.
Thoughts? Worth the risk of the hassle?
I'm asking specifically about models that are "Web Exclusive" on the GW site. That means I can't swap the model on spot if there would be issues.
As long as you can see it through the plastic, you should be ok.
There is a lot of talk, but thats nothing compared to seeing the shlock firsthand. If its a good one, you got lucky.
Buy it after you see what it looks like. Opinions at this point don't really matter. It is on what you can hold in your hand by yourself that counts.
By and By- If you get a good one, let us see some pictures.
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My experiences is this, twelve boxes of finecast troops (plague marines, raptors, Havocs, SM vets etc) and seven HQ blisters, out of those I have had to send back Two of the boxes and three of the blisters.
All bar one that i had to send back were early ones from the Space marine range, I think they have gotten better, although not perfect, Maybe i am a sucker but i quite like them.
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