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Azreal is from the Inner Circle, meaning that he is Fearless.

Would that still work against a Fearless Model?

Absolutely. All Fearless does is auto-pass Morale tests and make you immune to Pinning. Deathleaper's ability is neither of those things.

 GMR wrote:


That could be quite a nuisance...!

I'd live with that ruling, we are talking about tyranids after all, a nuisance is all its going to be

I am suddenly glad that i have never seen Deathleaper played at my flgc.

Back OT,he would be a fearless LD 7 and the greenwing peeps a stubborn LD 7,which is not what you want in a tight game situation ( my dice hate me,i have failed enough 9's and 10's before in the past ).

rigeld2 wrote:
Absolutely. All Fearless does is auto-pass Morale tests and make you immune to Pinning. Deathleaper's ability is neither of those things.

Yeah but then a minus 3 to LD is nearly useless against a Fearless model.

Well maybe in case where the model must make a Counter attack test, but else...

Unfortunately, after looking at the Rites of Battle rule, it seems that the Leadership penalty would apply to all friendly Dark Angels on the battlefield, so a good roll (using Deathleaper as an example) could make the entire army LD 7.

That being said, does each friendly Dark Angels unit (in an army led by Azrael, obviously) count as having two Leadership values? If so, then according to page 7 in the core rulebook, they must use the highest value.

 Slayer le boucher wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:
Absolutely. All Fearless does is auto-pass Morale tests and make you immune to Pinning. Deathleaper's ability is neither of those things.

Yeah but then a minus 3 to LD is nearly useless against a Fearless model.

Well maybe in case where the model must make a Counter attack test, but else...

Or against the Doom of Malantai, Psychic Shriek...

PrinceOfMadness wrote:
Unfortunately, after looking at the Rites of Battle rule, it seems that the Leadership penalty would apply to all friendly Dark Angels on the battlefield, so a good roll (using Deathleaper as an example) could make the entire army LD 7.

That being said, does each friendly Dark Angels unit (in an army led by Azrael, obviously) count as having two Leadership values? If so, then according to page 7 in the core rulebook, they must use the highest value.

No, it says it replaces

nosferatu1001 wrote:

PrinceOfMadness wrote:
Unfortunately, after looking at the Rites of Battle rule, it seems that the Leadership penalty would apply to all friendly Dark Angels on the battlefield, so a good roll (using Deathleaper as an example) could make the entire army LD 7.

That being said, does each friendly Dark Angels unit (in an army led by Azrael, obviously) count as having two Leadership values? If so, then according to page 7 in the core rulebook, they must use the highest value.

No, it says it replaces

To be fair, the word "replace" is not in either rule.

Using his leadershup must be replacing your leadership with Azraels

Why?

Becuase you do not have permisison to have two values there - you are using his in place of your own, like when you choose to use Mob Rule

But it doesn't replace another model's leadership value. It states you get to use Azrael's in specific situations, it's not a universal Leadership adjustment.

Right you have to use Azrael's Leadership for Morale, Pinning and Leadership tests.

Just out of curiosity, I asked my FLGS and they said yes (not that I would actually play it that way), since you use Azrael's Leadership for Leadership tests, would this apply to every type of Leadership tests (which would include Psychic tests) or only those specifically referred to as Leadership tests (such as Doom's soul suck)?

 Happyjew wrote:
Right you have to use Azrael's Leadership for Morale, Pinning and Leadership tests.

Just out of curiosity, I asked my FLGS and they said yes (not that I would actually play it that way), since you use Azrael's Leadership for Leadership tests, would this apply to every type of Leadership tests (which would include Psychic tests) or only those specifically referred to as Leadership tests (such as Doom's soul suck)?

"A psychic test is a Leadership test" Pg 67. 40k Rulebook

Not sure where you are getting the idea that they aren't "specifically referred to as Leadership tests"

Either way, Rites of Battle affects all Leadership tests of any kind except for Psychic tests, which are always taken on the psyker's own leadership.