9 year old gives birth

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**Cheesecat**

whembly wrote:
Cheesecat wrote:
whembly wrote:
Fafnir wrote:
Experiment 626 wrote:

Overall, you'd almost certainly never want to be a girl/woman living outside of modern western cultures...

At least we're doing our best over here to ensure that women hate their lives here too.

Really? Surely you jest....

Despite women making up 51% of Canada's population most of the best paying or the jobs that have the most influence over society are usually done by men.

Right... but, it isn't as simple as that.

Oh I know there's all kinds of factors such as expectations of gender, social mobility, general interests, biological differences, etc but still the positions of most power are usually owned by men so maybe women just aren't interested in those positions or maybe men are trying to stack the

system in there favor I don't know for sure.

**reds8n**

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2278432/Mexican-police-confirm-9-year-old-girl-gave-birth-STEPFATHERS-child-really-12-13-years.html

Mexican state officials confirmed that the girl who gave birth to a child two weeks ago is 12 or 13 years old and not 9-years-old like her mother previously claimed.
The officials also confirmed that her 44-year-old stepfather is the father of the child and not her teenage boyfriend.
MailOnline was in Guadalajara last week and was the first to reveal neighbor's suspicions that the girl, identified only as Dafne, was older than her mother initially said.
Multiple sources told MailOnline that it was 'highly likely' that Dafne was not the age her mother claimed she was when she went into hospital with her daughter in labour.
Now government officials have used DNA tests to confirm the identity of the baby's father after she originally told hospital workers that her 17-year-old boyfriend had impregnated her.
State prosecutors reportedly did an anthropological study of the girl, which was not described in detail, which helped them to conclude that she is between 12 and 13 years old.
Multiple sources told MailOnline that it was 'highly likely' that Dafne was not the age her mother claimed she was when she went into hospital with her daughter in labour.
One explanation for the ongoing saga is that her mother - who MailOnline is not naming to protect Dafne's privacy - may have been trying to get her into school for the first time as she had not gone until now.
Another more sinister reason could have been if, as has been claimed by neighbours, the mother is a prostitute who is trying to turn Dafne into a sex worker too, a nine-year-old could command a higher fee from clients than a teenager.
Although Dafne has a birth certificate, the circumstances under which it was obtained are unclear.
It only emerged a year and two months ago when she tried to go to school for the first time and was told she needed it.
Neighbours have described Dafne as 'kind and very sweet' and said she looked much older than nine.
A woman who lives next door, in her early 20s, said that Dafne was tall for her age, appeared well developed, with a light complexion and long blonde hair which goes past her shoulders.
Another twist would be that if Dafne's real age is 15 or higher then her boyfriend sleeping with her would not even be a crime.

It is only an offence under Mexican law to sleep with somebody aged 14 or younger.
The birth certificate, issued on November 17, 2011, shows that Dafne was born on Monday March 6 2003, which makes her nine.
She would have been the same age when she fell pregnant.
On the birth certificate the stepfather is also named as the father.
The birth certificate was issued by the town hall in the municipality of Ixtlahuacan De Los Membrillos, where Dafne and her family have been living for six years.
Dr Sergio Ramon Quintero Gonzalez, the district president, told MailOnline that Dafne's mother was not from his area.
He said: 'The first contact we had with this family was when they came in asking for the birth certificate.

'They were interviewed and I only saw them briefly when they came in to be interviewed.
'We issued the document to support the child going to school, but she didn't go to school. We helped them but they didn't do anything with it.
'A lot of people here are concerned this has happened and hoped it would happen somewhere else.'
Jose Ramirez, media coordinator for the Jarisci prosecutor's office, said: 'We are going back through the archives to try and find out exactly when she was born.
'She is not originally from here so we are having to do a thorough search. The girl will be given a medical examination to see exactly how old she is. It is highly likely that the girl is older than nine years old.'
Mr Ramirez added that as a matter of routine, all of the stepfather's male relatives were being given a DNA test to eliminate them from the investigation and make sure they are not the father.
Preliminary results will come back in 72 hours, although the full tests will not be known for two weeks.
Lina Ginzalez Corona, head spokesman for the Jarisco Prosecutor's office, told MailOnline that so far there had been no arrests and no charges filed. He said: 'The girl is still insisting that it is her boyfriend who got her pregnant. The problem is that we don't know where the guy is so we are looking for him.
'When we find him we will see what he really did. This is an active investigation and we are pursuing it.'
He added that if it turns out the boyfriend did make Dafne pregnant and she was under age then he could be jailed for up to seven years.
Dr Quintero Gonzalez added that there were now serious questions over whether or not Dafne's boyfriend - originally believed to be the father of the child - even exists.
He said: 'Dafne's mother said that the boyfriend is from the neighborhood but nobody has heard of him.
'We have no name and nobody knew he was her boyfriend.'
Dafne's neighbours had similar suspicions. One told MailOnline: 'We never saw any boyfriend at their house.'
If it turned out to be her stepfather as some have claimed, he would be tried as an adult and could be put away for between 12 and 20 years.
Dafne's baby was born by C-section on January 27 in Zoquipan Hospital, in Zapopan, Mexico's western Jalisco state weighting 5.95lbs.
Both girls are doing fine and in a healthy condition. According to Dafne's mother the girl was eight at the time she got pregnant but she didn't realize she was expecting until she was seven months gone.
The mother - who can't read or write - supposedly didn't even think that it was a crime that somebody so young having sex could be a criminal offense until she turned up at the hospital.
It now appears the Dafne has not been sterilized as earlier reports suggested but has been surgically fitted with an implant that will stop her getting pregnant.
The device can be removed by a surgeon and in theory she can have another baby.
Dafne's mother has reported the Zoquipan Hospital to the local human rights commission because she claimed she did not approve the procedure.
But in a press conference health commissioner Munoz Serrano said that he had a note in which she gave her written permission.
Dafne, her mother, her stepfather - and her newborn baby girl - left their 7ft by 25ft breeze block home in the run down suburb of Colonial los Olivos in a taxi on Wednesday night hours before police and the local mayor showed up to speak with them.
Lurid claims have since been made against the step father including that has abused one of his own daughters and used to beat Dafne and share a bath with her.

**Shredsmore**

The officials also confirmed that her 44-year-old stepfather is the father of the child and not her teenage boyfriend.

Another more sinister reason could have been if, as has been claimed by neighbours, the mother is a prostitute who is trying to turn Dafne into a sex worker too, a nine-year-old could command a higher fee from clients than a teenager.

Sickening.

**Grey Templar**

And a sinister plot twist is revealed.

**LuciusAR**

So she had a 17 year old ‘boyfriend’ and was being abused by her stepfather?

That’s so fecked up stuff there. So many levels of wrong. The only silver lining is that all the publicity surrounding may well lead to her getting placed in a safer environment.

**Grey Templar**

Another reason to annex Mexico and exterminate the criminal element?

**Experiment 626**

Grey Templar wrote:
Another reason to annex Mexico and exterminate the criminal element?

Well, if we're going to do it to Mexico, then we may as well add-on the entire Middle East minus Isreal, most of Asia and a goodly chunck of Central & South America as well! (Africa is simply too much work to put strait...)

**Grey Templar**

One thing at a time. One thing at a time.

**Soladrin**

I'm always amazed at the naivity on this kind of stuff.

Happens all the time in 3rd world countries, except news crews have better things to do there.

Yes, it's sickening, no doubt about it. But aproaching this as if it's oh so rare is a bit... dim.

**blood reaper**

Experiment 626 wrote:
Grey Templar wrote:
Another reason to annex Mexico and exterminate the criminal element?

Well, if we're going to do it to Mexico, then we may as well add-on the entire Middle East minus Isreal, most of Asia and a goodly chunck of Central & South America as well! (Africa is simply too much work to put strait...)

I hope this kind of attitude is a joke....

I really fething do.

**Soladrin**

America is world police isn't it?

Besides, they are having trouble running a budget(IE failing utterly) for what they have right now, imagine adding more countries!

**Grey Templar**

Of course we should have annexed Mexico at the end of the Mexican-American war.

**Cheesecat**

Grey Templar wrote:
Of course we should have annexed Mexico at the end of the Mexican-American war.

You got enough problems already, don't bite more than you can chew.

**Grey Templar**

Hence why we should have done it then, we could have handled it better. With our current situation it would be too expensive.

Solve our financial problems and then we could do it.

**Cheesecat**

Grey Templar wrote:
Hence why we should have done it then, we could have handled it better. With our current situation it would be too expensive.

Solve our financial problems and then we could do it.

I could see lots of problems with national identity plus I don't think you have the man power nor money to pull it off even after you get out of your financial problems.

**Grey Templar**

Manpower, certaintly not. We have plenty of manpower to forcibly take over and assimilate another country.

Money, that depends on how much money we would have. We could have plenty of money. Depends on how many years with what kind of surplus we have to play with.

We already have issues with National Identity, but of course we havn't had a super strong one for a while. We have regional identities, Mexico would just be another region.

**blood reaper**

Didn't Germany start off by annexing Austria? But hey, it will solve* problems.

*Solving not guaranteed; Note that current economical problems and social issues are not a problem.

**Grey Templar**

That was a little different.

**Hlaine Larkin mk2**

Yeah, some Austrians supported the annexing

**blood reaper**

You've suggest you just take over another country because it's having difficulties, which I won't deny are terrible. It's still tyrannical.

Why not give supervised financial aide? It cost less than deploying troops, and the several hundred lives lost to remove the freedom of a country in an attempt to police the world.

America also has issues of it's own.

**Grey Templar**

You might be surprised. I'd bet there would be many Mexicans that would support it. Their government is doing a trashy job of keeping the peace and fighting the Drug Cartels(who practically rule a few areas)

Not saying there would be loads of them but I'm sure the would and do exist. Of course pick something you will find someone in favor of it.

**Soladrin**

Yes, because America has a great track record with the war on drugs.

**Hlaine Larkin mk2**

Grey Templar wrote:
You might be surprised. I'd bet there would be many Mexicans that would support it. Their government is doing a trashy job of keeping the peace and fighting the Drug Cartels(who practically rule a few areas)

It was just a joke but I completely agree, those who are currently oppressed by the cartels etc would at least initially like some competent military action to try and improve their life

**blood reaper**

Grey Templar wrote:
You might be surprised. I'd bet there would be many Mexicans that would support it. Their government is doing a trashy job of keeping the peace and fighting the Drug Cartels(who practically rule a few areas)

I'm fine with assisting a nation and supporting it, but why do you need to take over? Also I doubt the UN would be pleased.

Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:
Grey Templar wrote:
You might be surprised. I'd bet there would be many Mexicans that would support it. Their government is doing a trashy job of keeping the peace and fighting the Drug Cartels(who practically rule a few areas)

It was just a joke but I completely agree, those who are currently oppressed by the cartels etc would at least initially like some competent military action to try and improve their life

Invading and taking over isn't going to solve all of the issues however, and will most likely led to a destabilisation of Mexico.

**Grey Templar**

With the Drug Cartels in the force they are we could simply descend with the actual military to clear them out. Not like here where they are deeply hidden in the civilian population.

And the UN can go stuff themselves. Useless fethers.

**Hlaine Larkin mk2**

Only problem with an invasion is that the cartels could just go to ground and it could be like the current Afghanistan or 60s Vietnam

**blood reaper**

I can understand assisting them, but why do you have to take over?

Oh yes, the UN is completely useless. I mean, look to Afghanistan and Vietnam.

Also, we've gone massively off topic.

**Soladrin**

Grey Templar wrote:
With the Drug Cartels in the force they are we could simply descend with the actual military to clear them out. Not like here where they are deeply hidden in the civilian population.

And the UN can go stuff themselves. Useless fethers.

Yeah, there's no way this could come back to bite you, at all.

You'd get sanctioned to death so quickly that china would just claim ownership.

**Grey Templar**

blood reaper wrote:

Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:
Grey Templar wrote:
You might be surprised. I'd bet there would be many Mexicans that would support it. Their government is doing a trashy job of keeping the peace and fighting the Drug Cartels(who practically rule a few areas)

It was just a joke but I completely agree, those who are currently oppressed by the cartels etc would at least initially like some competent military action to try and improve their life

Invading and taking over isn't going to solve all of the issues however, and will most likely led to a destabilisation of Mexico.

Which is why you take a long term view of the situation.

With the Civil War we knew the South would be destabilized for a long time after the way. its a natural progression.

Invasion, period of instability as control is fully achieved by the military, reconstruction, and finally intergration after dissolution of military occupation.

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Soladrin wrote:
Grey Templar wrote:
With the Drug Cartels in the force they are we could simply descend with the actual military to clear them out. Not like here where they are deeply hidden in the civilian population.

And the UN can go stuff themselves. Useless fethers.

Yeah, there's no way this could come back to bite you, at all.

You'd get sanctioned to death so quickly that china would just claim ownership.

Why would China care? They love selling stuff to us.

OPEC would still sell oil to us.

Sure, there would be trade issues with Europe but nothing that would be crippling.

**blood reaper**

149 year old war with completely diffirent reasonings is not comparable to an armed invasion of Mexico. Also, such a long term situation doesn't always work. Mexico's Drug Cartels are fairly entrenched in the society.