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andystache wrote:
The way I read that rule is similar to the Jink save granted by moving a bike. If you keep the Mortis stationary during your movement phase then it has Skyfire/Interceptor until your next Movement phase at which point you have the option to move or not again.

This would tie in with the Jink rule, if Movement phase is any players movement phase then no bike/jetbike/skimmer would have a jink save during your opponents turn as they have not moved that turn.

That's how I assumed it was and it would make certain amount of sense. Unfortunately that's not what the rules actually say, and I'm no longer sure what they intended.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

You do NOT get it during your opponent's turn since you only get the USRs if you remain stationary, and you can not remain stationary in your opponent's turn (since you do not take any action).

The problem, though, is that not taking any action is a requirement for remaining stationary. You don't actively remain stationary, it's the state of being you exist in if you didn't move. You didn't move, thus you remain stationary and thus you gain Skyfire and Intercept.

Wouldn't timing have a bearing on this, You don't know for certain if the Dreadnought remained stationary in the Movement Phase until the movement phase is over and you can check that it is in the same position it started in.

Enemy Flyers are always going to be arriving from reserves at the start of the Movement Phase, before the Dreadnought can practically claim to have remained stationary during that phase.

 Drunkspleen wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

You do NOT get it during your opponent's turn since you only get the USRs if you remain stationary, and you can not remain stationary in your opponent's turn (since you do not take any action).

The problem, though, is that not taking any action is a requirement for remaining stationary. You don't actively remain stationary, it's the state of being you exist in if you didn't move. You didn't move, thus you remain stationary and thus you gain Skyfire and Intercept.

Wouldn't timing have a bearing on this, You don't know for certain if the Dreadnought remained stationary in the Movement Phase until the movement phase is over and you can check that it is in the same position it started in.

Enemy Flyers are always going to be arriving from reserves at the start of the Movement Phase, before the Dreadnought can practically claim to have remained stationary during that phase.

Maybe so, but Interceptor is done at the end of the Movement phase.

As above. Interceptor waits until the end of the phase.

so you can't move in the movement phase........that means I can still run in the shooting phase and get sky fire and interceptor lol

What's Dakka's opinion about the standard pattern Mortis? It has the same update as the Contemptor pattern in the PDF, but isn't listed in Aeronautica.

My competitive side says that since the standard Mortis isn't restricted like the Contemptor it should have Interceptor during your opponent's turn if stationary during your turn, but the practical side says it's still Mortis pattern stop trying to game the system

andystache wrote:
What's Dakka's opinion about the standard pattern Mortis? It has the same update as the Contemptor pattern in the PDF, but isn't listed in Aeronautica.

My competitive side says that since the standard Mortis isn't restricted like the Contemptor it should have Interceptor during your opponent's turn if stationary during your turn, but the practical side says it's still Mortis pattern stop trying to game the system

Normal Contemptors don't ever have the special rule granting them Skyfire and Interceptor...

So I emailed FW and they said that if the dread is stationary during its own movement phase then it gains skyfire/interceptor until its next movement phase (ie game turn). What a terribly written rule. Ugh. Pretty powerful unit though.

 Living Still wrote:
So I emailed FW and they said that if the dread is stationary during its own movement phase then it gains skyfire/interceptor until its next movement phase (ie game turn). What a terribly written rule. Ugh. Pretty powerful unit though.

Thank you, this clears it up. It was as I originally assumed, but the rule is indeed badly worded.

 Living Still wrote:
So I emailed FW and they said that if the dread is stationary during its own movement phase then it gains skyfire/interceptor until its next movement phase (ie game turn). What a terribly written rule. Ugh. Pretty powerful unit though.

Unfortunately this isn't official. While FW seem to be a bit better than GW's useless and inconsistent email responses they do still give out inconsistent answers sometimes (and of course your opponent would have to trust you that you did in fact get that answer). Until they release an official FAQ statement you'll have to ask your opponent to accept the "intended" version as a house rule.

So either
a) you don't move in your Movement phase and gain Skyfire/Interceptor until the start of your next turn...or
b) you move in your Movement phase (or not) and since you cannot move in your opponents Movement phase you get Skyfire/Interceptor until the end of your opponents turn.

I think A is a little more fair. If my opponent had a problem with it, then I would go with b) and still get to make Interceptor shots against his reserves.

I always read it as you gain the rule when remaining stationary. As long as you didn't move during your turn you had the rule. Working from the assumption that the rule is had and then lost instead of none and then gained.