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Just finished listening to the audio drama. I can say that its okay. It reveals some stuff about Malcador and the Emp. Rest I will say i the spoiler:

^ Yep Magnus clearly fethed up IoM, big time, also your second part observation puts the Empy little above egotistical, power hungry, maniac stereotype....

 DarthMarko wrote:
^ Yep Magnus clearly fethed up IoM, big time,

agreed.

also your second part observation puts the Empy little above egotistical, power hungry, maniac stereotype....

what? I see it the opposite.

Corporal_Reznov wrote:
Just finished listening to the audio drama. I can say that its okay. It reveals some stuff about Malcador and the Emp. Rest I will say i the spoiler:

Spoiler:

I got the impression that what really fethed things up was Magnus and his screwing up the Webway project. Am I the only one who got this impression?

What do you guys think of the fact that the Emp considers a leader's job to be to make themselves obsolete and to let the people replace them when they are mature enough?

I think that working this angle for the emperor is the best thing to happen to his character yet.... Basically he is portrayed as an emotionless dictator (which he is...) and so stupid in respect to the way he handled his children/primarchs...

This at least means that he was working for the benefit of humanity and that he was really trying to make a safe galaxy for his species

I'm impressed with this

Corporal_Reznov wrote:
You do know that once you get up on Pysker power level, you cease being just a normal human, right? You can probably even escape the effects of age if you are powerful enough. Also, why assume that he is as old as the Emp?

Ah, but see, most sufficiently powerful human psykers, like Alphaish or beyond, tend to cease being just a normal human because they are driven insane by their powers. Malcador was unique in that he was not, something only the Emperor can say among human psykers (I am discounting Primarchs like Magnus and Space Marines like Ahriman). I was personally always under the impression that he did escape death from age by virtue of his psychic powers.

Well, now I can assume he is at least nearly that age because he name-drops the Franks, who were around and kicking during 500ish AD, lol.

I listened to the audiobook today, and actually liked it. A lot of the information dropped was interesting, and don't mind Malcador being a perpetual as much.

Magnus The Mauve wrote:

Corporal_Reznov wrote:
Just finished listening to the audio drama. I can say that its okay. It reveals some stuff about Malcador and the Emp. Rest I will say i the spoiler:

Spoiler:

I got the impression that what really fethed things up was Magnus and his screwing up the Webway project. Am I the only one who got this impression?

What do you guys think of the fact that the Emp considers a leader's job to be to make themselves obsolete and to let the people replace them when they are mature enough?

I think that working this angle for the emperor is the best thing to happen to his character yet.... Basically he is portrayed as an emotionless dictator (which he is...) and so stupid in respect to the way he handled his children/primarchs...

This at least means that he was working for the benefit of humanity and that he was really trying to make a safe galaxy for his species

I'm impressed with this

The Emp handled the situation with Lorgar badly.

Magnus was warned and IIRC told about the webway project, Magnus simply didn't give a feth.

Angron from what I've heard wanted to die.with his fellow Gladiators which is something the Emp would not countenance and thus took away Angron. Though I've heard that Angron attacked the Emp and killed a Custode when they first met. And people have said that the Butcher's nail implants hurt the bearer if near psykers and the implants caused psykers to die if attached to them. So Angon and the Emp was doomed from the start. I personally would have let Angron die if I was the Emp.

Mortarion could never kill his adoptive father no matter what he tried cause his body simply could survive to reach the place his adoptive father was located.

To be clear, I haven't read the HH books. I'm simply saying what i've read from the posts of other or what I've read on the 2 wiki's.

Magnus The Mauve wrote:

Corporal_Reznov wrote:
Just finished listening to the audio drama. I can say that its okay. It reveals some stuff about Malcador and the Emp. Rest I will say i the spoiler:

Spoiler:

I got the impression that what really fethed things up was Magnus and his screwing up the Webway project. Am I the only one who got this impression?

What do you guys think of the fact that the Emp considers a leader's job to be to make themselves obsolete and to let the people replace them when they are mature enough?

I think that working this angle for the emperor is the best thing to happen to his character yet.... Basically he is portrayed as an emotionless dictator (which he is...) and so stupid in respect to the way he handled his children/primarchs...

This at least means that he was working for the benefit of humanity and that he was really trying to make a safe galaxy for his species

I'm impressed with this

Yep this was my observation, also...

Corporal_Reznov wrote:

Magnus The Mauve wrote:

Corporal_Reznov wrote:
Just finished listening to the audio drama. I can say that its okay. It reveals some stuff about Malcador and the Emp. Rest I will say i the spoiler:

Spoiler:

I got the impression that what really fethed things up was Magnus and his screwing up the Webway project. Am I the only one who got this impression?

What do you guys think of the fact that the Emp considers a leader's job to be to make themselves obsolete and to let the people replace them when they are mature enough?

I think that working this angle for the emperor is the best thing to happen to his character yet.... Basically he is portrayed as an emotionless dictator (which he is...) and so stupid in respect to the way he handled his children/primarchs...

This at least means that he was working for the benefit of humanity and that he was really trying to make a safe galaxy for his species

I'm impressed with this

The Emp handled the situation with Lorgar badly.

Magnus was warned and IIRC told about the webway project, Magnus simply didn't give a feth.

Angron from what I've heard wanted to die.with his fellow Gladiators which is something the Emp would not countenance and thus took away Angron. Though I've heard that Angron attacked the Emp and killed a Custode when they first met. And people have said that the Butcher's nail implants hurt the bearer if near psykers and the implants caused psykers to die if attached to them. So Angon and the Emp was doomed from the start. I personally would have let Angron die if I was the Emp.

Mortarion could never kill his adoptive father no matter what he tried cause his body simply could survive to reach the place his adoptive father was located.

To be clear, I haven't read the HH books. I'm simply saying what i've read from the posts of other or what I've read on the 2 wiki's.

All of this could have been avoided if the emperor had commonsense.... but he doesn't because he has been portrayed this way in the Horus heresy novels... which isn't a bad thing necessarily because these problems needed to happen... no one wants to read about a perfect universe, WE WANT GRIMDARK!

my point is simply that this have given the emperor another angle, and i appreciate that as a fan of the series.

Magnus The Mauve wrote:

Corporal_Reznov wrote:

Magnus The Mauve wrote:

Corporal_Reznov wrote:
Just finished listening to the audio drama. I can say that its okay. It reveals some stuff about Malcador and the Emp. Rest I will say i the spoiler:

Spoiler:

I got the impression that what really fethed things up was Magnus and his screwing up the Webway project. Am I the only one who got this impression?

What do you guys think of the fact that the Emp considers a leader's job to be to make themselves obsolete and to let the people replace them when they are mature enough?

I think that working this angle for the emperor is the best thing to happen to his character yet.... Basically he is portrayed as an emotionless dictator (which he is...) and so stupid in respect to the way he handled his children/primarchs...

This at least means that he was working for the benefit of humanity and that he was really trying to make a safe galaxy for his species

I'm impressed with this

The Emp handled the situation with Lorgar badly.

Magnus was warned and IIRC told about the webway project, Magnus simply didn't give a feth.

Angron from what I've heard wanted to die.with his fellow Gladiators which is something the Emp would not countenance and thus took away Angron. Though I've heard that Angron attacked the Emp and killed a Custode when they first met. And people have said that the Butcher's nail implants hurt the bearer if near psykers and the implants caused psykers to die if attached to them. So Angon and the Emp was doomed from the start. I personally would have let Angron die if I was the Emp.

Mortarion could never kill his adoptive father no matter what he tried cause his body simply could survive to reach the place his adoptive father was located.

To be clear, I haven't read the HH books. I'm simply saying what i've read from the posts of other or what I've read on the 2 wiki's.

All of this could have been avoided if the emperor had commonsense.... but he doesn't because he has been portrayed this way in the Horus heresy novels... which isn't a bad thing necessarily because these problems needed to happen... no one wants to read about a perfect universe, WE WANT GRIMDARK!

my point is simply that this have given the emperor another angle, and i appreciate that as a fan of the series.

How would commonsense prevent this situation from arising unless you're talking about Lorgar?

Corporal_Reznov wrote:
The Emp handled the situation with Lorgar badly.

Magnus was warned and IIRC told about the webway project, Magnus simply didn't give a feth.

Angron from what I've heard wanted to die.with his fellow Gladiators which is something the Emp would not countenance and thus took away Angron. Though I've heard that Angron attacked the Emp and killed a Custode when they first met. And people have said that the Butcher's nail implants hurt the bearer if near psykers and the implants caused psykers to die if attached to them. So Angon and the Emp was doomed from the start. I personally would have let Angron die if I was the Emp.

Mortarion could never kill his adoptive father no matter what he tried cause his body simply could survive to reach the place his adoptive father was located.

To be clear, I haven't read the HH books. I'm simply saying what i've read from the posts of other or what I've read on the 2 wiki's.

Magnus had no idea that the Golden Throne was the gate to the Webway.

Angron wanted to fight alongside his brothers. There is no fluff indicating he would have been opposed to his father fighting alongside him, crushing the enemy armies in an impressive showing of force. Angron only ripped some Custodians to pieces after being teleported IIRC.

 Void__Dragon wrote:

Corporal_Reznov wrote:
The Emp handled the situation with Lorgar badly.

Magnus was warned and IIRC told about the webway project, Magnus simply didn't give a feth.

Angron from what I've heard wanted to die.with his fellow Gladiators which is something the Emp would not countenance and thus took away Angron. Though I've heard that Angron attacked the Emp and killed a Custode when they first met. And people have said that the Butcher's nail implants hurt the bearer if near psykers and the implants caused psykers to die if attached to them. So Angon and the Emp was doomed from the start. I personally would have let Angron die if I was the Emp.

Mortarion could never kill his adoptive father no matter what he tried cause his body simply could survive to reach the place his adoptive father was located.

To be clear, I haven't read the HH books. I'm simply saying what i've read from the posts of other or what I've read on the 2 wiki's.

Magnus had no idea that the Golden Throne was the gate to the Webway.

He damaged the Emperor's webway project. Not the throne itself IIRC.

Angron wanted to fight alongside his brothers. There is no fluff indicating he would have been opposed to his father fighting alongside him, crushing the enemy armies in an impressive showing of force. Angron only ripped some Custodians to pieces after being teleported IIRC.

*shrug* Lexicanum says this:

His fate seemed sealed when seven well equipped armies surrounded Angron and his starving forces. Just as the battle was about to begin, the Emperor of Mankind's Fleet arrived in orbit over the planet. The Emperor teleported directly to Angron's point of deployment with a few trusted Adeptus Custodes. The Emperor promised Angron a legion made in his image, limitless power, and life-times spent perfecting the Art of Conquest. But, to his surprise, Angron refused. He chose instead to die amongst his comrades while fighting his oppressors. Reluctantly, the Emperor returned to his flagship above. Yet just as the battle was about to begin, the Emperor teleported Angron against his will back up to the fleet. He could only watch in anguish as those he regarded as his brothers and comrades were quickly annihilated

Of course this is written with a mark saying that it needs citation so *shrug*

Magnus was half told about the webway project in an insanly offhand way. He finds the entrance on the planet in A Thousand Sons. He then tells the Big E thinking he's found something amazing. The Emperor tells Magnus he knows about the webway and to stop fraking around with it. Magnus doesn't listen.

Absolutely pointless story, glad I listened to it for free if this is the kind of gak that BL want us to swallow as the Horus Heresy story limps and then crawls towards its climax. I listen to these while I run and judge how good a book it is by how much my mind wanders. Honestly I can barely remember a thing and I only listened to it a couple of weeks ago. Just a money making scheme in the same vein as the advent stories. Then again if these hacks writing for BL had any talent they would create their own backstories [OK that was a bit harsh, Abnett, McNeill and Swallow are decent enough]. I pine for the days of Ian Watson and Jack Yeovil.

^ Irony is, some guys are buying and enjoying that kind of stuff...And here is a main reason why : "MISSING LEGIONS SKULLS"...LoL.

Well everybody has right to do what they want with their money, I know - but some lines must be drawn.....

P.S: there is a new term used on BL site called "micro short story" (really - check Angron)...

What was wrong with The Sigillite?

tyrannosaurus wrote:Absolutely pointless story, glad I listened to it for free if this is the kind of gak that BL want us to swallow as the Horus Heresy story limps and then crawls towards its climax. I listen to these while I run and judge how good a book it is by how much my mind wanders. Honestly I can barely remember a thing and I only listened to it a couple of weeks ago. Just a money making scheme in the same vein as the advent stories. Then again if these hacks writing for BL had any talent they would create their own backstories [OK that was a bit harsh, Abnett, McNeill and Swallow are decent enough]. I pine for the days of Ian Watson and Jack Yeovil.

DarthMarko wrote:^ Irony is, some guys are buying and enjoying that kind of stuff...And here is a main reason why : "MISSING LEGIONS SKULLS"...LoL.

Well everybody has right to do what they want with their money, I know - but some lines must be drawn.....

P.S: there is a new term used on BL site called "micro short story" (really - check Angron)...

I get my stuff for free .

Frankly, I personally don't mind these type of stories. We already know whats going to happen at he end of the HH series so whats more important is the journey.