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Your opinion, please...
I was a bit disappointed, but it has some interesting parts...
Spoiler:
Webway war behind the doors,how Malcador would only save Lorgar and Emperor's wishes about future governing of IoM
ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
Stated by Grey Templar:The Ward of the Codices
"It began, with the writing of the Great Codices,
2 were given to the Eldar. Immortal, Capricious, and most farsighted of all,
2 also to Chaos. Traitorous, Deceitful, Servants of the Dark Gods,
3 to the Xenos races. T'au, Orks, and Necrons. the Young, the Beast, and the Spiteful,
7 to the race of men. Servents of the God Emperor, the Inheritors of the Galaxy.
But they were all of them, decieved. for another Codex was written…
In the Land of Ward'or, in the Fires of Mount Doom, the Dark Lord Matthew wrote in secret, a Master Codex, to rule all the others. One by one, all the armies of the other Codices fell to the power of the Codex, and from this Darkness, none could see hope.
But there were some, who resisted. a Last Alliance of Men and Xenos took up arms against the forces of Ward'or and on the Slopes of Mount Doom they fought for the freedom of 40k."
Well it's short and doesn't tell to much (here is a suprise )....I' mean for once I wish that BL justifies the hype....Ooo, and the story.
Spoiler:
is mainly about a super secret Imperial Guard trooper
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ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
DarthMarko wrote: Well it's short and doesn't tell to much (here is a suprise )....I' mean for once I wish that BL justifies the hype....Ooo, and the story.
Spoiler:
is mainly about a super secret Imperial Guard trooper
IIRC,
Spoiler:
he was brought to Sigilite for an ultra secret job or something.
I didn't have the audio drama myself. Just what i heard on the net.
Stated by Grey Templar:The Ward of the Codices
"It began, with the writing of the Great Codices,
2 were given to the Eldar. Immortal, Capricious, and most farsighted of all,
2 also to Chaos. Traitorous, Deceitful, Servants of the Dark Gods,
3 to the Xenos races. T'au, Orks, and Necrons. the Young, the Beast, and the Spiteful,
7 to the race of men. Servents of the God Emperor, the Inheritors of the Galaxy.
But they were all of them, decieved. for another Codex was written…
In the Land of Ward'or, in the Fires of Mount Doom, the Dark Lord Matthew wrote in secret, a Master Codex, to rule all the others. One by one, all the armies of the other Codices fell to the power of the Codex, and from this Darkness, none could see hope.
But there were some, who resisted. a Last Alliance of Men and Xenos took up arms against the forces of Ward'or and on the Slopes of Mount Doom they fought for the freedom of 40k."
amudkipz wrote: The cover shows him sitting in a chair with skulls marked 2 and 11, does the audio drama deal with the missing primarchs in any way?
Ofc NO...
ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
They are mentioned, although it isn't really of any note. I'd need to listen to it again to give details.
I thought it was pretty much required listening for the heresy. - A tonne of tidbits and info is revealed.
Spoiler:
The Emperor is personally involved in the war in the webway. Along with the custodians and the silent sisterhood.
Malcador is a perpetual - like John Grammaticus and his lot. I believe he mentions that it used to be an actual Order. As in, Illuminatii style... Which can then imply that the perpetuals are the modern reinterpretation of the starchild stories.
The Imperial Army dude is sounding like he's going to help found the Inquisitorial Stormtroopers detachments.
"The Emperor believes that his ultimate function is to make Himself obsolete. I disagree, Humanity shall always need The Emperor and He shall always lead us." - The Emperor genuinely believes that the Imperial Truth is the best situation for Humanity. Malcador, however is more in following the Imperial Creed. A mate pointed out tonight that, keeping in mind how much emphasis the Imperial Truth had on it, the Lectitio Divinatus could only really have flourished, if someone in power... such as the Imperial Regent himself, Malcador... was encouraging it."
"I believe it would only take 12 good men to command The Imperium."
And there's loads of others I can't remember offhand at 1am, several weeks after I first heard it.
Compel wrote: They are mentioned, although it isn't really of any note. I'd need to listen to it again to give details.
I thought it was pretty much required listening for the heresy. - A tonne of tidbits and info is revealed.
Spoiler:
The Emperor is personally involved in the war in the webway. Along with the custodians and the silent sisterhood.
Malcador is a perpetual - like John Grammaticus and his lot. I believe he mentions that it used to be an actual Order. As in, Illuminatii style... Which can then imply that the perpetuals are the modern reinterpretation of the starchild stories.
The Imperial Army dude is sounding like he's going to help found the Inquisitorial Stormtroopers detachments.
"The Emperor believes that his ultimate function is to make Himself obsolete. I disagree, Humanity shall always need The Emperor and He shall always lead us." - The Emperor genuinely believes that the Imperial Truth is the best situation for Humanity. Malcador, however is more in following the Imperial Creed. A mate pointed out tonight that, keeping in mind how much emphasis the Imperial Truth had on it, the Lectitio Divinatus could only really have flourished, if someone in power... such as the Imperial Regent himself, Malcador... was encouraging it."
"I believe it would only take 12 good men to command The Imperium."
And there's loads of others I can't remember offhand at 1am, several weeks after I first heard it.
If what you says is true, I have yet to listen to the audio as i'm busy with exams at the moment, then that puts to rest any claims that the Emp was after power or godhood.
Stated by Grey Templar:The Ward of the Codices
"It began, with the writing of the Great Codices,
2 were given to the Eldar. Immortal, Capricious, and most farsighted of all,
2 also to Chaos. Traitorous, Deceitful, Servants of the Dark Gods,
3 to the Xenos races. T'au, Orks, and Necrons. the Young, the Beast, and the Spiteful,
7 to the race of men. Servents of the God Emperor, the Inheritors of the Galaxy.
But they were all of them, decieved. for another Codex was written…
In the Land of Ward'or, in the Fires of Mount Doom, the Dark Lord Matthew wrote in secret, a Master Codex, to rule all the others. One by one, all the armies of the other Codices fell to the power of the Codex, and from this Darkness, none could see hope.
But there were some, who resisted. a Last Alliance of Men and Xenos took up arms against the forces of Ward'or and on the Slopes of Mount Doom they fought for the freedom of 40k."
amudkipz wrote: The cover shows him sitting in a chair with skulls marked 2 and 11, does the audio drama deal with the missing primarchs in any way?
Ofc NO...
Well, there went my only reason to buy it. Oh well, better luck next time BL. You can only tease me so much before I stop caring.
GW doesn't want there to be any real revelation about the Missing Primarchs so BL won't reveal. The teasing is meant to get you to buy BL gak and thus fill GW's pockets.
Stated by Grey Templar:The Ward of the Codices
"It began, with the writing of the Great Codices,
2 were given to the Eldar. Immortal, Capricious, and most farsighted of all,
2 also to Chaos. Traitorous, Deceitful, Servants of the Dark Gods,
3 to the Xenos races. T'au, Orks, and Necrons. the Young, the Beast, and the Spiteful,
7 to the race of men. Servents of the God Emperor, the Inheritors of the Galaxy.
But they were all of them, decieved. for another Codex was written…
In the Land of Ward'or, in the Fires of Mount Doom, the Dark Lord Matthew wrote in secret, a Master Codex, to rule all the others. One by one, all the armies of the other Codices fell to the power of the Codex, and from this Darkness, none could see hope.
But there were some, who resisted. a Last Alliance of Men and Xenos took up arms against the forces of Ward'or and on the Slopes of Mount Doom they fought for the freedom of 40k."
...does that mean he and the Emperor were involved with/had a falling out with the Cabal at some point?
Oh Christ not this stupid gak again...
Please explain?
Stated by Grey Templar:The Ward of the Codices
"It began, with the writing of the Great Codices,
2 were given to the Eldar. Immortal, Capricious, and most farsighted of all,
2 also to Chaos. Traitorous, Deceitful, Servants of the Dark Gods,
3 to the Xenos races. T'au, Orks, and Necrons. the Young, the Beast, and the Spiteful,
7 to the race of men. Servents of the God Emperor, the Inheritors of the Galaxy.
But they were all of them, decieved. for another Codex was written…
In the Land of Ward'or, in the Fires of Mount Doom, the Dark Lord Matthew wrote in secret, a Master Codex, to rule all the others. One by one, all the armies of the other Codices fell to the power of the Codex, and from this Darkness, none could see hope.
But there were some, who resisted. a Last Alliance of Men and Xenos took up arms against the forces of Ward'or and on the Slopes of Mount Doom they fought for the freedom of 40k."
The entire dumbass perpetual subplot is getting on my nerves.
Next thing BL will be trying to sell Ghazghkuull as a perpetual and old drinking buddy of the Emperor.
Spoiler:
Ghazkuull is an Ork. i don't think Orks have perpetuals . I personallt don't know what to think of the Perpetuals but I don't think that they shouldn't exist. Remember how fething long it has been since the Emp came into being at 8000bc in Anatolia. Its very possible that such beings came into being and with all their power, its inevitable that they will interfere in human history and development, one way or the other.
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Stated by Grey Templar:The Ward of the Codices
"It began, with the writing of the Great Codices,
2 were given to the Eldar. Immortal, Capricious, and most farsighted of all,
2 also to Chaos. Traitorous, Deceitful, Servants of the Dark Gods,
3 to the Xenos races. T'au, Orks, and Necrons. the Young, the Beast, and the Spiteful,
7 to the race of men. Servents of the God Emperor, the Inheritors of the Galaxy.
But they were all of them, decieved. for another Codex was written…
In the Land of Ward'or, in the Fires of Mount Doom, the Dark Lord Matthew wrote in secret, a Master Codex, to rule all the others. One by one, all the armies of the other Codices fell to the power of the Codex, and from this Darkness, none could see hope.
But there were some, who resisted. a Last Alliance of Men and Xenos took up arms against the forces of Ward'or and on the Slopes of Mount Doom they fought for the freedom of 40k."
Taking some hints from betrayer into things, it seems to be that John Grammaticus is a bit of an odd duck, as far as the perpetuals are concerned and that while he does, or did, work for the Cabal, the rest of the perpetuals do not.
I've been listening to Know no Fear's audiobook and there's suggestions there that the whole cabal thing, is one of the things that Oll does nt agree with Grammaticus on.
The whole Perpetuals thing is becoming more and more important I think - especially as a thread that ties everything together.
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The entire dumbass perpetual subplot is getting on my nerves.
Next thing BL will be trying to sell Ghazghkuull as a perpetual and old drinking buddy of the Emperor.
Spoiler:
Ghazkuull is an Ork. i don't think Orks have perpetuals . I personallt don't know what to think of the Perpetuals but I don't think that they shouldn't exist. Remember how fething long it has been since the Emp came into being at 8000bc in Anatolia. Its very possible that such beings came into being and with all their power, its inevitable that they will interfere in human history and development, one way or the other.
Spoiler:
Why are they making established characters perpetuals?
Compel wrote:Taking some hints from betrayer into things, it seems to be that John Grammaticus is a bit of an odd duck, as far as the perpetuals are concerned and that while he does, or did, work for the Cabal, the rest of the perpetuals do not.
I've been listening to Know no Fear's audiobook and there's suggestions there that the whole cabal thing, is one of the things that Oll does nt agree with Grammaticus on.
The whole Perpetuals thing is becoming more and more important I think - especially as a thread that ties everything together.
IIRC, John Grammaticus works with the Cabal cause he was horrfied by the Emperor unleashing the SM's on the galaxy which is funny to think about when its mentioned by one of the Cabal that the Emp is the only human worthy of being truly one of them.
The entire dumbass perpetual subplot is getting on my nerves.
Next thing BL will be trying to sell Ghazghkuull as a perpetual and old drinking buddy of the Emperor.
Spoiler:
Ghazkuull is an Ork. i don't think Orks have perpetuals . I personallt don't know what to think of the Perpetuals but I don't think that they shouldn't exist. Remember how fething long it has been since the Emp came into being at 8000bc in Anatolia. Its very possible that such beings came into being and with all their power, its inevitable that they will interfere in human history and development, one way or the other.
Spoiler:
Why are they making established characters perpetuals?
Ollanius Pius is the worst one.
I agree on Ollanius Pius. But you have to agree that a lone human soldier being on Horus's ship by pure chance is just low, right? Whats the problem with Malcador being a perpetual?
Stated by Grey Templar:The Ward of the Codices
"It began, with the writing of the Great Codices,
2 were given to the Eldar. Immortal, Capricious, and most farsighted of all,
2 also to Chaos. Traitorous, Deceitful, Servants of the Dark Gods,
3 to the Xenos races. T'au, Orks, and Necrons. the Young, the Beast, and the Spiteful,
7 to the race of men. Servents of the God Emperor, the Inheritors of the Galaxy.
But they were all of them, decieved. for another Codex was written…
In the Land of Ward'or, in the Fires of Mount Doom, the Dark Lord Matthew wrote in secret, a Master Codex, to rule all the others. One by one, all the armies of the other Codices fell to the power of the Codex, and from this Darkness, none could see hope.
But there were some, who resisted. a Last Alliance of Men and Xenos took up arms against the forces of Ward'or and on the Slopes of Mount Doom they fought for the freedom of 40k."
Before, when he was seemingly just another human being, him being the Emperor's right hand man, him being among the mightiest psykers in the galaxy, him being the most brilliant political mind and chessmaster in the galaxy, all of that seems much less impressive and badass when you consider that he's had 40,000 years to become that good.
In which case, "Well duh he can do all of that, he's a perpetual lolz".
For what it's worth, I think John Grammaticus is one of the more powerful of the perpetuals and I think it's mentioned in Betrayer, that's just to him hanging out with the Cabal.
Oll and the Betrayer dude are a lot lower on the power list. It might be worth seeing them as the 'avatars' of humanity, in the strictest definition of the word.
Before, when he was seemingly just another human being, him being the Emperor's right hand man, him being among the mightiest psykers in the galaxy, him being the most brilliant political mind and chessmaster in the galaxy, all of that seems much less impressive and badass when you consider that he's had 40,000 years to become that good.
In which case, "Well duh he can do all of that, he's a perpetual lolz".
You do know that once you get up on Pysker power level, you cease being just a normal human, right? You can probably even escape the effects of age if you are powerful enough. Also, why assume that he is as old as the Emp?
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Compel wrote: For what it's worth, I think John Grammaticus is one of the more powerful of the perpetuals and I think it's mentioned in Betrayer, that's just to him hanging out with the Cabal.
Oll and the Betrayer dude are a lot lower on the power list. It might be worth seeing them as the 'avatars' of humanity, in the strictest definition of the word.
John is a bleeding heart fool seduced by alien lies.
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Stated by Grey Templar:The Ward of the Codices
"It began, with the writing of the Great Codices,
2 were given to the Eldar. Immortal, Capricious, and most farsighted of all,
2 also to Chaos. Traitorous, Deceitful, Servants of the Dark Gods,
3 to the Xenos races. T'au, Orks, and Necrons. the Young, the Beast, and the Spiteful,
7 to the race of men. Servents of the God Emperor, the Inheritors of the Galaxy.
But they were all of them, decieved. for another Codex was written…
In the Land of Ward'or, in the Fires of Mount Doom, the Dark Lord Matthew wrote in secret, a Master Codex, to rule all the others. One by one, all the armies of the other Codices fell to the power of the Codex, and from this Darkness, none could see hope.
But there were some, who resisted. a Last Alliance of Men and Xenos took up arms against the forces of Ward'or and on the Slopes of Mount Doom they fought for the freedom of 40k."
Admiral Valerian wrote: Perhaps the Emperor was the one behind the creation of the Perpetuals?
Actually... I think there is a very real possibility that they are The Emperor's sons. Have a look for some older fluff about the 'starchild' and the 40k Illuminatii and see how that could inspire the 'perpetuals' storyline...
I loved it!! The beginning with the special forces soldiers and then the revelation of the sigillites being a secret order saving relics and artefacts and the emperor fighting chaos!!! Whats not to like?
)....I' mean for once I wish that 
