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orkboy2d wrote:
its broken in a sense that you can take more than 3. due to squands in some codexes....
if 1 codex can take a squad... all CODEXES SHOULD BE ABLE TO TAKE SQUADS.
3 dakkajets v 9 vendettas..
seems hardly unbroken to me...

Then again a Green Tide -list would win a 9 Vendetta list without even trying.

40K is a rock-paper-scissors game.

There's a simple reason (not a good one mind you) as to why Vendettas can be taken in squadrons

IG is the only Codex that can take squadron of (not light) vehicles, because it's the f*****g steamroller of the Imperium !
It was designed way before they had any idea about how the flyers would be in 6th ed, so at that time, it was fine to take squadrons of Valk / Vendettas

Polecat wrote:

orkboy2d wrote:
its broken in a sense that you can take more than 3. due to squands in some codexes....
if 1 codex can take a squad... all CODEXES SHOULD BE ABLE TO TAKE SQUADS.
3 dakkajets v 9 vendettas..
seems hardly unbroken to me...

Then again a Green Tide -list would win a 9 Vendetta list without even trying.

40K is a rock-paper-scissors game.

Strenght 4 shootas cant touch av12 vendettas mate..
The only thing would be lootas. In which case even 30 lootas, 3 dakka jets and an ADL with quad gun would have a hard time with 9 av12 flyers switching between hovering and zooming (usually off the board)
Saying a green tide would win without trying is over stating it....

orkboy2d wrote:

Polecat wrote:

Then again a Green Tide -list would win a 9 Vendetta list without even trying.

40K is a rock-paper-scissors game.

Strenght 4 shootas cant touch av12 vendettas mate..
The only thing would be lootas. In which case even 30 lootas, 3 dakka jets and an ADL with quad gun would have a hard time with 9 av12 flyers switching between hovering and zooming (usually off the board)
Saying a green tide would win without trying is over stating it....

No, Green Tide -list completely ignores the flyers and kills off ground presence. Enemy cant win when only things left are 9 flyers.

Polecat wrote:

orkboy2d wrote:

Polecat wrote:

Then again a Green Tide -list would win a 9 Vendetta list without even trying.

40K is a rock-paper-scissors game.

Strenght 4 shootas cant touch av12 vendettas mate..
The only thing would be lootas. In which case even 30 lootas, 3 dakka jets and an ADL with quad gun would have a hard time with 9 av12 flyers switching between hovering and zooming (usually off the board)
Saying a green tide would win without trying is over stating it....

No, Green Tide -list completely ignores the flyers and kills off ground presence. Enemy cant win when only things left are 9 flyers.

ok mate, lets agree to disagree.

What exactly are nine Vendettas even going to do against a green tide? Kill 25 boyz a turn? wooow, that's going to make a difference!

ork boyz rule

 Furyou Miko wrote:
What exactly are nine Vendettas even going to do against a green tide? Kill 25 boyz a turn? wooow, that's going to make a difference!

They wont even manage 25 kills a turn.
9 Vendettas (without Heavy Bolters, which are a waste of points) will kill about 17 boys per turn, and that is without cover. With 5+ cover like from KFF they will only kill about 11 boys per turn.

Not all lists are Ork green tide. For a TAC list, Vendettas are beyond amazing. In fact, the Vendetta, to me, breaks the entire flier scene. Many lists have access to it, and it completely and trivially negates my fliers, which I need in case I fight Helldrakes.

The reason I say BA are worse than either Tau or Eldar is that building a TAC list for the BA is now nearly impossible. How many stormravens? Too many, and the Vendetta will end your list. Too few or none, and helldrakes run rough shod. FNP is not adequate defense against the helldrake, as it still cripples the unit, and there are still actual CSM to contend with. Just not helldrakes.

davou wrote:

 Wingeds wrote:
Heldrake is nowhere near undercosted for its very limited abilities. If you wanna talk undercosted look at a vendetta, maybe a nightscythe. Stormraven is at a perfect price point for what it does, Dakkajet as well. It all depends on your meta and how many power gamers you have.

No way, It gets a torrent baleflamer on a turret that wounds marines on a 2+, ignores cover and ignores standard armor? This alone means its garunteed to kill its points every turn without ever needing to hover.

It's guaranteed to kill 12+ Marines every turn? I'm not sure you understand what a guarantee is.

Polecat wrote:

orkboy2d wrote:
its broken in a sense that you can take more than 3. due to squands in some codexes....
if 1 codex can take a squad... all CODEXES SHOULD BE ABLE TO TAKE SQUADS.
3 dakkajets v 9 vendettas..
seems hardly unbroken to me...

Then again a Green Tide -list would win a 9 Vendetta list without even trying.

40K is a rock-paper-scissors game.

You beat me to it! I love seeing Vendettas against my Boyz!

"Damn you just killed another 12 points"

thats why they have valkuries vultures and vendettas

 DarknessEternal wrote:

davou wrote:

 Wingeds wrote:
Heldrake is nowhere near undercosted for its very limited abilities. If you wanna talk undercosted look at a vendetta, maybe a nightscythe. Stormraven is at a perfect price point for what it does, Dakkajet as well. It all depends on your meta and how many power gamers you have.

No way, It gets a torrent baleflamer on a turret that wounds marines on a 2+, ignores cover and ignores standard armor? This alone means its garunteed to kill its points every turn without ever needing to hover.

It's guaranteed to kill 12+ Marines every turn? I'm not sure you understand what a guarantee is.

there's only two space marine vehicles that this thing isn't likely to feth up when it makes its vector strike, and killing out the more expencive part of a squad (say a lascannon) isn.t hard to game when you can choose where within 36 inches to stop the damn thing. Unless the person controlling the heldrake is doing dumb gak like vector striking squads and then flaming cheap scouts all the time, then yes, its very likely to make its points back a turn.

Since more and more flyers and AA is coming out for each army, I would say they are not as bad as they used to be. Flyers dont win games, troops do.

Triple vendettas is still crazy annoying to face though.

How about quintuple Vendettas?

I hope this isn't Necromancy but, I felt the new Tau fliers deserved a mention as NOT being broken (or even that good).

Fliers after DA codex are going to be balanced. So until everything has a 6th edition codex, there will be balance probs but you get over it.