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How about Assault Marines beating bio-titans in dogfights?
Hey give them the right equipment and what works works ;D once had a vanguard vet squad assault an unmolested stompa, proceed to chuck melta bombs and got only one pen; then rolled 6's for the rest of the fight phase thing went nuclear and killed the vanguard, the 30 orks inside and approx. 18" of the table. On turn one.
Azreal13 wrote: Not that it matters because given the amount of interbreeding that went on with that lot I'm pretty sure the Queen is her own Uncle.
BA 6000; 1250
Really this thread just failed on about 3 levels, you should all feel bad and do better.-motyak
VorpalBunny74 wrote: I vaguely remember a quote that everything is 'Canon' but not everything is 'True'. Which can explain why the Emperor was shielded from Horus by Ollanius Pius, OR a Space Marine Terminator, OR an Adeptus Custode, depending on the story.
I wouldn't be surprised if it was also Sister in the next SoB codex. Or a brave but confused Grot in the next Ork codex
You know...as someone who like Dark Angels AND Orks, the Grot thing makes me smile. That would be a tale to share with the rest of the clan.
A team of Grots and Boyz are sent onboard a ship in order to capture and scavenge some goodies for their warboss, ship happens to be where the final fight between Horus and the Emperor takes place. A Grot saves the emperor and a new Ork Clan is formed that is loyal to the Imperium for some reason so now the Imperial Guard are Battle Brothers with Orks.
To be fair, though, the Ollanius Pius bit - as cool as it was - had to be changed as the fight was moved from the Emperor's throne room to Horus' ship. Teleporters can only "beam" so many people, and it's reasonable to prioritise Astartes over regular humans for such a boarding action.
I don't like that some HH novel attempted to force him back into the limelight in an altered form, but fortunately we can choose to ignore such accounts. For what it's worth, we can even choose to disregard the fight's relocation to the starship entirely, going by the original tale. It's all just a bunch of legends and they're all equally true or false.
Never heard of it supposedly being a Custodes, though. Where's that from?
Lynata wrote: To be fair, though, the Ollanius Pius bit - as cool as it was - had to be changed as the fight was moved from the Emperor's throne room to Horus' ship. Teleporters can only "beam" so many people, and it's reasonable to prioritise Astartes over regular humans for such a boarding action.
I don't like that some HH novel attempted to force him back into the limelight in an altered form, but fortunately we can choose to ignore such accounts. For what it's worth, we can even choose to disregard the fight's relocation to the starship entirely, going by the original tale. It's all just a bunch of legends and they're all equally true or false.
Never heard of it supposedly being a Custodes, though. Where's that from?
Sure one can ignore it for their own personal head canon.
Stated by Grey Templar:The Ward of the Codices
"It began, with the writing of the Great Codices,
2 were given to the Eldar. Immortal, Capricious, and most farsighted of all,
2 also to Chaos. Traitorous, Deceitful, Servants of the Dark Gods,
3 to the Xenos races. T'au, Orks, and Necrons. the Young, the Beast, and the Spiteful,
7 to the race of men. Servents of the God Emperor, the Inheritors of the Galaxy.
But they were all of them, decieved. for another Codex was written…
In the Land of Ward'or, in the Fires of Mount Doom, the Dark Lord Matthew wrote in secret, a Master Codex, to rule all the others. One by one, all the armies of the other Codices fell to the power of the Codex, and from this Darkness, none could see hope.
But there were some, who resisted. a Last Alliance of Men and Xenos took up arms against the forces of Ward'or and on the Slopes of Mount Doom they fought for the freedom of 40k."
One can ignore a re-telling of a myth because it is different from a previous iteration of the same myth as well. As we're discussing things of a mythological nature, even in the setting of 40K, no version of the tale is canonically true.
It is best to be a pessimist. You are usually right and, when you're wrong, you're pleasantly surprised.
Lynata wrote: To be fair, though, the Ollanius Pius bit - as cool as it was - had to be changed as the fight was moved from the Emperor's throne room to Horus' ship. Teleporters can only "beam" so many people, and it's reasonable to prioritise Astartes over regular humans for such a boarding action.
I don't like that some HH novel attempted to force him back into the limelight in an altered form, but fortunately we can choose to ignore such accounts. For what it's worth, we can even choose to disregard the fight's relocation to the starship entirely, going by the original tale. It's all just a bunch of legends and they're all equally true or false.
Never heard of it supposedly being a Custodes, though. Where's that from?
Sure one can ignore it for their own personal head canon.
Read the previous posts. It's all actual canon.
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Psienesis wrote:One can ignore a re-telling of a myth because it is different from a previous iteration of the same myth as well. As we're discussing things of a mythological nature, even in the setting of 40K, no version of the tale is canonically true.
I can't see the HH novels being a myth since we are seeing the HH take place and how it all took place. But if you want to see it that way, be my guest.
Lynata wrote: To be fair, though, the Ollanius Pius bit - as cool as it was - had to be changed as the fight was moved from the Emperor's throne room to Horus' ship. Teleporters can only "beam" so many people, and it's reasonable to prioritise Astartes over regular humans for such a boarding action.
I don't like that some HH novel attempted to force him back into the limelight in an altered form, but fortunately we can choose to ignore such accounts. For what it's worth, we can even choose to disregard the fight's relocation to the starship entirely, going by the original tale. It's all just a bunch of legends and they're all equally true or false.
Never heard of it supposedly being a Custodes, though. Where's that from?
Sure one can ignore it for their own personal head canon.
Read the previous posts. It's all actual canon.
I was talking about b]personal head canon[/b].
Also, from lexicanum:
In terms of the larger Warhammer 40,000 universe it has been stated on the game's official website's forum that, "The game takes place on a parallel timeline within the fluff, but the characters are not the same." 8
or from 40k wiki:
The Space Marine video game takes place in a parallel Warhammer 40,000 universe where the Ultramarines 2nd Company is commanded by Captain Titus rather than Cato Sicarius.
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Stated by Grey Templar:The Ward of the Codices
"It began, with the writing of the Great Codices,
2 were given to the Eldar. Immortal, Capricious, and most farsighted of all,
2 also to Chaos. Traitorous, Deceitful, Servants of the Dark Gods,
3 to the Xenos races. T'au, Orks, and Necrons. the Young, the Beast, and the Spiteful,
7 to the race of men. Servents of the God Emperor, the Inheritors of the Galaxy.
But they were all of them, decieved. for another Codex was written…
In the Land of Ward'or, in the Fires of Mount Doom, the Dark Lord Matthew wrote in secret, a Master Codex, to rule all the others. One by one, all the armies of the other Codices fell to the power of the Codex, and from this Darkness, none could see hope.
But there were some, who resisted. a Last Alliance of Men and Xenos took up arms against the forces of Ward'or and on the Slopes of Mount Doom they fought for the freedom of 40k."
It's already been stated earlier in this thread that there is no "official canon." Therefore it'd all be personal canon, wouldn't it? This thread gets recycled all the time. Always the same answers. People put forth what they consider official canon then someone chimes in with the real answer that official canon is whatever you want it to be. It's all official and it's all unofficial.
It's already been stated earlier in this thread that there is no "official canon." Therefore it'd all be personal canon, wouldn't it? This thread gets recycled all the time. Always the same answers. People put forth what they consider official canon then someone chimes in with the real answer that official canon is whatever you want it to be. It's all official and it's all unofficial.
But GW has it that Siccarus not Titus is the captain of the 2nd company. So contradiction and one that if my posts are correct has been decided to take place in another 40k timeline and can be canon for a person's head canon.
I really hate 40k canon debates . Look, 40k has no canon so pretty much you can pick and choose what you want for your personal vision of what 40k should be. But for debates, on SB, we don't do that. So we take everything as canon, unless GW says otherwise on a particular fluff piece, and have it that new fluff overrides old fluff if there is a complete and utter contradiction between old fluff and new fluff or if there are retcons. This is not an absolute though. It depends on circumstances and a case by case basis and gak and even then personal head canon intrudes.
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Stated by Grey Templar:The Ward of the Codices
"It began, with the writing of the Great Codices,
2 were given to the Eldar. Immortal, Capricious, and most farsighted of all,
2 also to Chaos. Traitorous, Deceitful, Servants of the Dark Gods,
3 to the Xenos races. T'au, Orks, and Necrons. the Young, the Beast, and the Spiteful,
7 to the race of men. Servents of the God Emperor, the Inheritors of the Galaxy.
But they were all of them, decieved. for another Codex was written…
In the Land of Ward'or, in the Fires of Mount Doom, the Dark Lord Matthew wrote in secret, a Master Codex, to rule all the others. One by one, all the armies of the other Codices fell to the power of the Codex, and from this Darkness, none could see hope.
But there were some, who resisted. a Last Alliance of Men and Xenos took up arms against the forces of Ward'or and on the Slopes of Mount Doom they fought for the freedom of 40k."
Soladrin wrote: DoW isn't canon because C.S. Goto is involved. That is all.
Goto wasn't involved with the games which is taken as the true fluff from DOW.
Stated by Grey Templar:The Ward of the Codices
"It began, with the writing of the Great Codices,
2 were given to the Eldar. Immortal, Capricious, and most farsighted of all,
2 also to Chaos. Traitorous, Deceitful, Servants of the Dark Gods,
3 to the Xenos races. T'au, Orks, and Necrons. the Young, the Beast, and the Spiteful,
7 to the race of men. Servents of the God Emperor, the Inheritors of the Galaxy.
But they were all of them, decieved. for another Codex was written…
In the Land of Ward'or, in the Fires of Mount Doom, the Dark Lord Matthew wrote in secret, a Master Codex, to rule all the others. One by one, all the armies of the other Codices fell to the power of the Codex, and from this Darkness, none could see hope.
But there were some, who resisted. a Last Alliance of Men and Xenos took up arms against the forces of Ward'or and on the Slopes of Mount Doom they fought for the freedom of 40k."
In terms of the larger Warhammer 40,000 universe it has been stated on the game's official website's forum that, "The game takes place on a parallel timeline within the fluff, but the characters are not the same." 8
or from 40k wiki:
The Space Marine video game takes place in a parallel Warhammer 40,000 universe where the Ultramarines 2nd Company is commanded by Captain Titus rather than Cato Sicarius.
First mistake is listing 40K Wiki as a viable source. Second mistake is the fault on Relic for not going the obvious route and just making Titus Cato's successor into M42, with Cato becoming the new Chapter Master after Calgar bites it. I mean, if something automatically becomes an alternate timeline because two different people hold the same title, then the Ultramarines movie is also noncanon, since Severus is 2nd Company Captain in that movie.
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In terms of the larger Warhammer 40,000 universe it has been stated on the game's official website's forum that, "The game takes place on a parallel timeline within the fluff, but the characters are not the same." 8
or from 40k wiki:
The Space Marine video game takes place in a parallel Warhammer 40,000 universe where the Ultramarines 2nd Company is commanded by Captain Titus rather than Cato Sicarius.
First mistake is listing 40K Wiki as a viable source.
I posted that cause its all I have. I asked Lynata for a link via pm. No reply yet.
Second mistake is the fault on Relic for not going the obvious route and just making Titus Cato's successor into M42, with Cato becoming the new Chapter Master after Calgar bites it. I mean, if something automatically becomes an alternate timeline because two different people hold the same title, then the Ultramarines movie is also noncanon, since Severus is 2nd Company Captain in that movie.
Its what the wiki's and Lynata says. Not me *shrug*.
Stated by Grey Templar:The Ward of the Codices
"It began, with the writing of the Great Codices,
2 were given to the Eldar. Immortal, Capricious, and most farsighted of all,
2 also to Chaos. Traitorous, Deceitful, Servants of the Dark Gods,
3 to the Xenos races. T'au, Orks, and Necrons. the Young, the Beast, and the Spiteful,
7 to the race of men. Servents of the God Emperor, the Inheritors of the Galaxy.
But they were all of them, decieved. for another Codex was written…
In the Land of Ward'or, in the Fires of Mount Doom, the Dark Lord Matthew wrote in secret, a Master Codex, to rule all the others. One by one, all the armies of the other Codices fell to the power of the Codex, and from this Darkness, none could see hope.
But there were some, who resisted. a Last Alliance of Men and Xenos took up arms against the forces of Ward'or and on the Slopes of Mount Doom they fought for the freedom of 40k."
Lynata wrote: To be fair, though, the Ollanius Pius bit - as cool as it was - had to be changed as the fight was moved from the Emperor's throne room to Horus' ship. Teleporters can only "beam" so many people, and it's reasonable to prioritise Astartes over regular humans for such a boarding action.
I don't like that some HH novel attempted to force him back into the limelight in an altered form, but fortunately we can choose to ignore such accounts. For what it's worth, we can even choose to disregard the fight's relocation to the starship entirely, going by the original tale. It's all just a bunch of legends and they're all equally true or false.
Never heard of it supposedly being a Custodes, though. Where's that from?
The Terminator on Horus's barge version was published first, though only by a slim margin. The random guardsman version was a couple of months later. It was probably written, submitted and approved before the terminator version was even published.
Though guards may sleep and ships may lay at anchor, our foes know full well that big guns never tire.
Corporal_Reznov wrote:Look, 40k has no canon so pretty much you can pick and choose what you want for your personal vision of what 40k should be. But for debates, on SB, we don't do that.
To save everyone the argument, can't we do stuff "how we do it on dakka"? I don't see how it is even possible for SB to operate against the explicit clarifications from the people who write the material, and it would be much too frustrating for me to debate in such an environment - but if it somehow works out for you guys, okay.
Fifty wrote:The Terminator on Horus's barge version was published first, though only by a slim margin. The random guardsman version was a couple of months later. It was probably written, submitted and approved before the terminator version was even published.
Huh, that I have never heard before. Interesting, and could explain why the contradiction even exists.
To be fair, though, the Ollanius Pius bit - as cool as it was - had to be changed as the fight was moved from the Emperor's throne room to Horus' ship. Teleporters can only "beam" so many people, and it's reasonable to prioritise Astartes over regular humans for such a boarding action.
Good point, however theres nothing to discount a Deus Ex moment (being written) of Pius being teleported in somehow via the Cabal, in a last ditch attempt to distract/wound Horus.
It's, at its core, the very last throw of the dice for them. Horus winning?
Interesting if not very plausible imho.
I too thought the angle was intruiging however.
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goobs is all you guys will ever be
By 1-irt: Still as long as Hissy keeps showing up this is one of the most entertaining threads ever.
As you can see, the galaxy map has the Calixis sector on it. Calixis sector was created by FFG.
Actually the Calixis Sector was created by Black Library, Dark Heresy was initially published by Black Library's (defunct) RPG division prior to GW selling all the RPG & Boardgame rights to FFG.
Corporal_Reznov wrote:Look, 40k has no canon so pretty much you can pick and choose what you want for your personal vision of what 40k should be. But for debates, on SB, we don't do that.
To save everyone the argument, can't we do stuff "how we do it on dakka"? I don't see how it is even possible for SB to operate against the explicit clarifications from the people who write the material, and it would be much too frustrating for me to debate in such an environment - but if it somehow works out for you guys, okay.
Your own precious quotes say that there is no canon. So we take it that everything is canon unless GW says so against a particular piece. Otherwise its all up to personal bias which is bad for debates. Get it now? OR shall we bitch at each other about your obsession with this canon thing until the end of time?
As you can see, the galaxy map has the Calixis sector on it. Calixis sector was created by FFG.
Actually the Calixis Sector was created by Black Library, Dark Heresy was initially published by Black Library's (defunct) RPG division prior to GW selling all the RPG & Boardgame rights to FFG.
Oops. My mistake then .
Lynata wrote:RIP, Black Industries. We hardly knew ye.
Which was closed down by GWIIRC.
Stated by Grey Templar:The Ward of the Codices
"It began, with the writing of the Great Codices,
2 were given to the Eldar. Immortal, Capricious, and most farsighted of all,
2 also to Chaos. Traitorous, Deceitful, Servants of the Dark Gods,
3 to the Xenos races. T'au, Orks, and Necrons. the Young, the Beast, and the Spiteful,
7 to the race of men. Servents of the God Emperor, the Inheritors of the Galaxy.
But they were all of them, decieved. for another Codex was written…
In the Land of Ward'or, in the Fires of Mount Doom, the Dark Lord Matthew wrote in secret, a Master Codex, to rule all the others. One by one, all the armies of the other Codices fell to the power of the Codex, and from this Darkness, none could see hope.
But there were some, who resisted. a Last Alliance of Men and Xenos took up arms against the forces of Ward'or and on the Slopes of Mount Doom they fought for the freedom of 40k."
The Terminator on Horus's barge version was published first, though only by a slim margin. The random guardsman version was a couple of months later. It was probably written, submitted and approved before the terminator version was even published.
In my mind it is the Imperial Fists Terminator, as that is the version I read first.
"I LIEK CHOCOLATE MILK" - Batman
"It exist because it needs to. Because its not the tank the imperium deserve but the one it needs right now . So it wont complain because it can take it. Because they're not our normal tank. It is a silent guardian, a watchful protector . A leman russ!" - Ilove40k
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Corporal_Reznov wrote:Your own precious quotes say that there is no canon. So we take it that everything is canon unless GW says so against a particular piece. Otherwise its all up to personal bias which is bad for debates. Get it now? OR shall we bitch at each other about your obsession with this canon thing until the end of time?
No, I don't get it - but you are right in that it seems futile to discuss it, so I'll retract the question.
Corporal_Reznov wrote:Which was closed down by GWIIRC.
And a big mistake that has been. Damn those bean counters.
I still like the original BI material more than the stuff FFG came up with. :/
Corporal_Reznov wrote:Your own precious quotes say that there is no canon. So we take it that everything is canon unless GW says so against a particular piece. Otherwise its all up to personal bias which is bad for debates. Get it now? OR shall we bitch at each other about your obsession with this canon thing until the end of time?
No, I don't get it - but you are right in that it seems futile to discuss it, so I'll retract the question.
thank you.
Corporal_Reznov wrote:Which was closed down by GWIIRC.
And a big mistake that has been. Damn those bean counters.
I still like the original BI material more than the stuff FFG came up with. :/
I like FFG and BL material more than GW stuff that was made pre 6th edition.
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Stated by Grey Templar:The Ward of the Codices
"It began, with the writing of the Great Codices,
2 were given to the Eldar. Immortal, Capricious, and most farsighted of all,
2 also to Chaos. Traitorous, Deceitful, Servants of the Dark Gods,
3 to the Xenos races. T'au, Orks, and Necrons. the Young, the Beast, and the Spiteful,
7 to the race of men. Servents of the God Emperor, the Inheritors of the Galaxy.
But they were all of them, decieved. for another Codex was written…
In the Land of Ward'or, in the Fires of Mount Doom, the Dark Lord Matthew wrote in secret, a Master Codex, to rule all the others. One by one, all the armies of the other Codices fell to the power of the Codex, and from this Darkness, none could see hope.
But there were some, who resisted. a Last Alliance of Men and Xenos took up arms against the forces of Ward'or and on the Slopes of Mount Doom they fought for the freedom of 40k."
Blackcrusader wrote:It might eventually be canon because GW is considering making the Blood Ravens a legit army.
Since GW does not have a "canon", this would not change anything.
GW has "official material" - but the Blood Ravens are already part of that since everything published under the 40k license/label is "official", even though it need not be compatible to other sources. It's all just different interpretations of the same setting, and none is "more correct" than another.
Besides, are the Blood Ravens not already mentioned in the Codex?
The events in dawn of war take place but the means by witch they are achieved is left to be debated, in the first dawn of war the blood ravens won, obvi, in the dark crusade it was the IG that won in cannon, not sure about soul storm.
Dawn of war 2 is still cannon as well.
Only game that i know of that is in a alternative universe, is warhammer 40000 space marine.
thing went nuclear and killed the vanguard, the 30 orks inside and approx. 18" of the table. On turn one. 
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