if you could make a space marine captain, what would it be?

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**jbsnv**

AlmightyWalrus wrote:
kronk wrote:
We need rules for Sigismund!

Ask, and ye shall receive!

Sigismund, Champion of the Emperor
WS BS S T W I A Ld Sv
8 6 4 4 3 5 3 10 2+

Unit type: Infantry (Unique), Character

Unit Composition: Sigismund

Cost: 275 points

Wargear: Bolt Pistol, Durendal, True Sword of Sigismund, Armour of Faith

Special Rules: Independent Character, Eternal Warrior, Slayer of Champions, Ultimate duellist, Lead Thou me on

Sigismund must choose one of the vows in Codex: Black Templars for the cost listed there.

The Armour of Faith: This relic armour is adorned with finely wrought catechisms of hatred, wards and prayers and is the personal armour of Sigismund, First Captain of the Imperial Fists Legion and first Champion of the Emperor. This is a suit of Artificier Armour that also confers a 3+ invulnerable save at all times.

Durendal, True Sword of Sigismund: This master-crafted Power Weapon increases the wielder's strength by two and grants the wielder an additional D6 when rolling to penetrate the armour of a vehicle. Furthermore, its wounds always inflict instant death against Characters. Attacks made with Durendal ignore armour saves and count as AP1 against vehicles.

Slayer of Champions: Sigismund must always issue and accept Challenges. If any other model in the combat has this special rule, ignore it; Sigismund won't let anyone get in his way.

Ultimate duellist: Sigismund is a master of the blade, greater than even the famed Khârn. Sigismund never requires more than a 3+ to hit anything, no matter what. He may also always reroll his failed to-hit and/or to wound rolls.

Lead Thou me on: Sigismund constantly receives visions of the Emperor, guiding him in his never-ending Crusade. Sigismund, and any unit he joins, leads or is attached to, may never be hit on anything better than a 4+, regardless of other special rules, with the exception for attacks that automatically hit and Khârn the Betrayer’s special rule (he’s not THAT good!).

dear god... that is epic o.o

**Rysal190**

Someone who has a plasma pistol, a thunder hammer, and is an assault marine. Maybe lets assault marines count as core troops.

I have no idea if this already exists (I don't know a darn about Blood Angels), and it would probably be terrible. Maybe make the plasma pistol not get hot or something.

But it'd be hilarious.

**jbsnv**

Rysal190 wrote:
Someone who has a plasma pistol, a thunder hammer, and is an assault marine. Maybe lets assault marines count as core troops.

I have no idea if this already exists (I don't know a darn about Blood Angels), and it would probably be terrible. Maybe make the plasma pistol not get hot or something.

But it'd be hilarious.

ba have assult marines as troops, but slightly more expensive and can have more gear

**Rysal190**

jbsnv wrote:

ba have assult marines as troops, but slightly more expensive and can have more gear

I knew that, but I'm still throwing my support behind plasma pistol and thunder hammer.

Or dual thunder hammers! That'd be hilarious to model.

**jbsnv**

he could only move 6 inches because the hamemrs are way to big and heavy XD

**Bobthehero**

Relic Sword, Plasma Gun, Artificer armor, Iron Halo, Terminator Honors, Frag and Kraks

Captain statsline

He gets Furious Charge and something else, don't know what.

**Fury_00011**

just allow flesh metal as wargear for CSMs and id be happy

**jbsnv**

what about a shape shifter, have every weapon in the game, and BE everything in the game

**blood reaper**

jbsnv wrote:
what about a shape shifter, have every weapon in the game, and BE everything in the game

That wouldn't fit into the fluff and be incredibly overpowered.

And it's also covered in some ways by the Changeling, who alters character stats.

**jbsnv**

true but still it is just an idea

**washout77**

GUYS, remember the OP said to "Ignore OPness" and just create awesome characters? These guys are supposed to be dream captains, not anything we would logically use in game....

"who cares for op, go nuts with what you would make"

blood reaper wrote:
Rustgob wrote:
Griddlelol wrote:
Bakedbeans wrote:
A captain that can take a heavy weapon and can make devastator count as troops. And the captain has relentless (or 6th edition version of that).

What is this devilry? I quite like this idea! Add a relic (heavy) weapon and he could be really cool. Possibly give him a rapid fire lascannon (yeah, I'm not very creative like this).

You know what, It'd be a good use for a Man-portable multilaser!

Finally!

You can't fight at long range! We have to charge at the enemy and drastically lower our chances of survival, and increase our chances of being heroic! We can't just shoot them you know, it's not heroic enough.

Thule Anyone? The imagery of a captain standing on top of a hill with a heavy bolter cutting down orks/gaunts/chaos is more heroic to me than blindly charging into something that is clearly better at close combat than you are

**Orkimedes1000**

since it is a "what if scenario" i already have modelled a captain/techmarine and he is over equipped to the max. i even added a choppa for good measure.

parts i used:
x2 multimelta, heavy bolter, storm bolter, x2 chain swords, a choppa and a servo arm (made from a defiler leg), topped of with a Tau plasma rifle

i call him Gary

**Anfauglir**

jbsnv wrote:
AlmightyWalrus wrote:
kronk wrote:
We need rules for Sigismund!

Ask, and ye shall receive!

Sigismund, Champion of the Emperor
WS BS S T W I A Ld Sv
8 6 4 4 3 5 3 10 2+

Unit type: Infantry (Unique), Character

Unit Composition: Sigismund

Cost: 275 points

Wargear: Bolt Pistol, Durendal, True Sword of Sigismund, Armour of Faith

Special Rules: Independent Character, Eternal Warrior, Slayer of Champions, Ultimate duellist, Lead Thou me on

Sigismund must choose one of the vows in Codex: Black Templars for the cost listed there.

The Armour of Faith: This relic armour is adorned with finely wrought catechisms of hatred, wards and prayers and is the personal armour of Sigismund, First Captain of the Imperial Fists Legion and first Champion of the Emperor. This is a suit of Artificier Armour that also confers a 3+ invulnerable save at all times.

Durendal, True Sword of Sigismund: This master-crafted Power Weapon increases the wielder's strength by two and grants the wielder an additional D6 when rolling to penetrate the armour of a vehicle. Furthermore, its wounds always inflict instant death against Characters. Attacks made with Durendal ignore armour saves and count as AP1 against vehicles.

Slayer of Champions: Sigismund must always issue and accept Challenges. If any other model in the combat has this special rule, ignore it; Sigismund won't let anyone get in his way.

Ultimate duellist: Sigismund is a master of the blade, greater than even the famed Khârn. Sigismund never requires more than a 3+ to hit anything, no matter what. He may also always reroll his failed to-hit and/or to wound rolls.

Lead Thou me on: Sigismund constantly receives visions of the Emperor, guiding him in his never-ending Crusade. Sigismund, and any unit he joins, leads or is attached to, may never be hit on anything better than a 4+, regardless of other special rules, with the exception for attacks that automatically hit and Khârn the Betrayer’s special rule (he’s not THAT good!).

dear god... that is epic o.o

It's Sigismund, the Emperor's Champion. Whaddya expect?

**jbsnv**

i expect nothing less

**Fifty**

Vanir Hex of the Executioners.

Same rules as Pedro Kantor, but with a Relic Axe/Power Axe instead of a Power Fist.

**TheCaptain**

Captain with a 2++ Rerollable Iron Halo, Combiweapon that can be fired as a Vanquisher Cannon or a Medusa cannon, and can be used multiple times per game. Relentless, Strength10 AP2 Chainsword. Can deep strike, doesn't scatter, causes fear, has it will not die, can assault out of deep striking. Fearless, Leadership 11, T8, W8, S8, BS8, WS10, I8, A8. Mastery Level 6, can pick from any BRB chart. Has adamantium will. Adds 2 to combat resolution. Units on the board use his leadership. Has ATSKNF and Combat Tactics. Makes one unit in your codex takeable as troops, and allows you to take two allied detachments and fortifications.

I shall call him "TheCaptain".

**Griddlelol**

You forgot to add his special rule:

Hubris: On a roll of a natural 1, TheCaptain is removed from play due to the immense shame of failure.

**TheCaptain**

Griddlelol wrote:
You forgot to add his special rule:

Hubris: On a roll of a natural 1, TheCaptain is removed from play due to the immense shame of failure.

But. TheCaptain never fails, Griddle.

The Emperor Protects.

**jbsnv**

Orkimedes1000 wrote:
since it is a "what if scenario" i already have modelled a captain/techmarine and he is over equipped to the max. i even added a choppa for good measure.

parts i used:
x2 multimelta, heavy bolter, storm bolter, x2 chain swords, a choppa and a servo arm (made from a defiler leg), topped of with a Tau plasma rifle

i call him Gary

gary the person who has an insane amount of weapons and yet can only fire 1 at a time because he doesnt have rentless

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TheCaptain wrote:
Captain with a 2++ Rerollable Iron Halo, Combiweapon that can be fired as a Vanquisher Cannon or a Medusa cannon, and can be used multiple times per game. Relentless, Strength10 AP2 Chainsword. Can deep strike, doesn't scatter, causes fear, has it will not die, can assault out of deep striking. Fearless, Leadership 11, T8, W8, S8, BS8, WS10, I8, A8. Mastery Level 6, can pick from any BRB chart. Has adamantium will. Adds 2 to combat resolution. Units on the board use his leadership. Has ATSKNF and Combat Tactics. Makes one unit in your codex takeable as troops, and allows you to take two allied detachments and fortifications.

I shall call him "TheCaptain".

yes because thats not broken at all

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Griddlelol wrote:
You forgot to add his special rule:

Hubris: On a roll of a natural 1, TheCaptain is removed from play due to the immense shame of failure.

if that case he would die turn 1 for me -_-

**washout77**

TheCaptain wrote:
Captain with a 2++ Rerollable Iron Halo, Combiweapon that can be fired as a Vanquisher Cannon or a Medusa cannon, and can be used multiple times per game. Relentless, Strength10 AP2 Chainsword. Can deep strike, doesn't scatter, causes fear, has it will not die, can assault out of deep striking. Fearless, Leadership 11, T8, W8, S8, BS8, WS10, I8, A8. Mastery Level 6, can pick from any BRB chart. Has adamantium will. Adds 2 to combat resolution. Units on the board use his leadership. Has ATSKNF and Combat Tactics. Makes one unit in your codex takeable as troops, and allows you to take two allied detachments and fortifications.

I shall call him "TheCaptain".

lol okay. I think he meant stuff that actually exists in the game (so no making up Combiweapon Vanquishers

). Could also use a bit clearer of a format.

Hahaha, if you make the weapons weapons that actually exist, I wonder if I can convince my friend to let me use just that model against his entire Apocalypse army...

**Psy-Titan**

I think a blood angel captain who can succumb to the black rage part way through a battle for a different statline in much the same way bran redmaw can turn into a daemon prince wolf would rock pretty hard, also Tzeentch should have one that forces a dice roll after deployment and potentially makes both players swap armies and have to play with each others codex.

**jbsnv**

Psy-Titan wrote:
I think a blood angel captain who can succumb to the black rage part way through a battle for a different statline in much the same way bran redmaw can turn into a daemon prince wolf would rock pretty hard, also Tzeentch should have one that forces a dice roll after deployment and potentially makes both players swap armies and have to play with each others codex.

that would be silly and awsome at the same time

**Ozomoto**

This thread is for space marines......but I play chaos so Ill give ya a chaos lord

Ptolemy, the illusionist

Ws 6 BS 5 S 4 T4 W 3 I 5 A 3 Ld 10 Sv 3+

Mark of tzeentch, frag and krak gernades, psychic mastery level 2 ( only telepathy ), bolt pistol, aura of dark glory (5+ invul)

Artefact: Lunos, the dreamblade Range: Melle S: self AP: 3 special rules: force, daemon weapon

Points: 190

**Melissia**

Ozomoto wrote:
This thread is for space marines......but I play chaos so Ill give ya a chaos lord

Hell, why not? They're just space marines of a different color anyway.

**jbsnv**

Ozomoto wrote:
This thread is for space marines......but I play chaos so Ill give ya a chaos lord

Ptolemy, the illusionist

Ws 6 BS 5 S 4 T4 W 3 I 5 A 3 Ld 10 Sv 3+

Mark of tzeentch, frag and krak gernades, psychic mastery level 2 ( only telepathy ), bolt pistol, aura of dark glory (5+ invul)

Artefact: Lunos, the dreamblade Range: Melle S: self AP: 3 special rules: force, daemon weapon

Points: 190

lol is that it? you sure you dont want to add anything insane

i mean your going to kill anyone that doenst have a speed higher then 5 or eternal warrior

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hell just might as well make it any hq you would want to make and give it specail gear and/or rules just say

like a super tau commander that makes tau battle suits troops

or a hammerhead that makes other hammerheads troops ( too op~ )

**Asmodai Asmodean**

Lol, Sigismund is a huge points sink. 275 points and 3 base attacks? Shelf.

Would this be considered op?
WS 6 BS 5 T 5 W 3 I 5 A3(4) LD 10 SV 3+,
Weapons: Plasma Cannon, Twin-Linked Storm bolter, Maser Crafted AP2 Power Sword,Bolt Pistol, Frag and Krak.
Special rules: Fearless, Preferred Enemy Chaos Space Marines, Scout, Relentless, Skilled Rider, Hit and Run, Eternal Warrior, Outflank. Moves 12" and ignores intervening terrain

200 points

**jbsnv**

Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
Lol, Sigismund is a huge points sink. 275 points and 3 base attacks? Shelf.

Would this be considered op?
WS 6 BS 5 T 5 W 3 I 5 A3(4) LD 10 SV 3+,
Weapons: Plasma Cannon, Twin-Linked Storm bolter, Maser Crafted AP2 Power Sword,Bolt Pistol, Frag and Krak.
Special rules: Fearless, Preferred Enemy Chaos Space Marines, Scout, Relentless, Skilled Rider, Hit and Run, Eternal Warrior, Outflank. Moves 12" and ignores intervening terrain

200 points

i dont think it would be

**Orkimedes1000**

he doesnt have rentless

This is almost as amusing as creating Gary. when creating a conversion for the purpose of fun it is easy to get carried away with a "why not" attitude.

Damn Gary Why you no pay rent??? but i agree only 1 weapon fired per turn. Relentless would have made Gary more OP than a devastator squad, a commander and a techmarine all rolled into one model.

Another thing:
this has some good OP characters. someone should do a throne of skulls type of OP char vs OP char

**jbsnv**

Orkimedes1000 wrote:
he doesnt have rentless

This is almost as amusing as creating Gary. when creating a conversion for the purpose of fun it is easy to get carried away with a "why not" attitude.

Damn Gary Why you no pay rent??? but i agree only 1 weapon fired per turn. Relentless would have made Gary more OP than a devastator squad, a commander and a techmarine all rolled into one model.

Another thing:
this has some good OP characters. someone should do a throne of skulls type of OP char vs OP char

that god damned gary, gary vs the captian

**DiRTWaL**

My captains special rule would be to give my troops a +1 cover save when they don't move