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It's a tie between Abnett and Dembski-Bowden. Both of them rise above the normal ranks of military stories to bring novels with actual literary merit to the table. They understand story structure and nuance better than a lot of other authors out there, both in and out of franchised fiction. Abnett writes really well, but Dembski-Bowden in particular has a habit of always picking the factions I hate most to write about. I've thus far been delighted by his ability to write stories about these groups and make me love the faction, or at least his characters. I'm really looking forward to him turning his hand to the group I hate the most in the entire setting. (The Black Legion.) From what he's said about what he wants to bring to the setting in regards to them, I'm already excited.

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John French is where it is at.

That guy is on his way to become a rising star among the BL goons, just you wait and see.

 amanita wrote:
So dare I ask what happens if he farts? Could it blow the seals on the lower portion of his armor? Or is a space marine's system immune to such mundane fluctuations of bodily conduct?

 Moktor wrote:
No one should be complaining about this codex. It gave regular Eldar a much needed buff by allowing us to drop Fire Dragons and D-Scythe Wraithguard wherever we want, without scatter. Without this, I almost lost a game once. It was scary. I almost took to buying fixed dice to ensure it never happened again.
 
   
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 Redcruisair wrote:
John French is where it is at.

That guy is on his way to become a rising star among the BL goons, just you wait and see.


Agreed.

Him, Rob Sanders and Chris Wraight all seem to have a lot of potential. I'd like it if they'd get them involved in the HH series a bit more to help speed it up, although I know Wraight is penning the White Scars novel.

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 Just Dave wrote:
 Redcruisair wrote:
John French is where it is at.

That guy is on his way to become a rising star among the BL goons, just you wait and see.


Agreed.

Him, Rob Sanders and Chris Wraight all seem to have a lot of potential. I'd like it if they'd get them involved in the HH series a bit more to help speed it up, although I know Wraight is penning the White Scars novel.

Hmm, I wonder what draws people to a specific author (style wise.)

For me it has always been the about the characters, or to be more specific; the respective characters feelings and emotions. I want to feel what they feel and share their moment (of optimism, joy, anger, pain) with them.
I think French really succeeds in this department. He makes me care for the characters in a genuinely way, and I really like that. I like it a lot…


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I don’t know anymore.

Maybe I’m just a really sentimental person.

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 amanita wrote:
So dare I ask what happens if he farts? Could it blow the seals on the lower portion of his armor? Or is a space marine's system immune to such mundane fluctuations of bodily conduct?

 Moktor wrote:
No one should be complaining about this codex. It gave regular Eldar a much needed buff by allowing us to drop Fire Dragons and D-Scythe Wraithguard wherever we want, without scatter. Without this, I almost lost a game once. It was scary. I almost took to buying fixed dice to ensure it never happened again.
 
   
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^ Yeah, Ahriman Exile was pretty cool...

ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."

Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan


 
   
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 DarthMarko wrote:
^ Yeah, Ahriman Exile was pretty cool...

So French wrote that one?

Is it any good?

 amanita wrote:
So dare I ask what happens if he farts? Could it blow the seals on the lower portion of his armor? Or is a space marine's system immune to such mundane fluctuations of bodily conduct?

 Moktor wrote:
No one should be complaining about this codex. It gave regular Eldar a much needed buff by allowing us to drop Fire Dragons and D-Scythe Wraithguard wherever we want, without scatter. Without this, I almost lost a game once. It was scary. I almost took to buying fixed dice to ensure it never happened again.
 
   
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You gave me the option to vote C.S. Goto. How could I not abuse this privilege?

I haven't read enough BL books to really decide who is the best in my eyes, but from the books I have read (The HH series up to and including A Thousand Sons, with the exception of Tales of the Heresy; and, unfortunately, the Dawn of War books... All those lost hours...) James Swallow's writing has been the best thus far in my opinion.

I enjoyed Flight of the Eisenstein far more than any of the other books I've read. Second best was probably Horus Rising or Legion , although it's been a while since I last read it. Second best author is probably Abnett, as you might've guessed from the book choices above.

I've found that the weakest authors thus far have been C.S. Goto (a whole new level of suck), Ben Counter (Battle for the Abyss was, if you'll excuse the pun, abysmal.), and Graham McNeill (his books have been slow to start and never really seem to go anywhere; they're also not really very enjoyable).

I still have a lot of reading to go, so my opnions will probably change, but that's how they currently stand.

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Abnett is good, but I prefer ADB. I can actually get attached to ADB's characters. My introduction to him was through Cadian Blood and I am currently really enjoying the Night Lords trilogy.

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While I love ADB and Abnett's characters are some of my most memorable (though the man really seems to have issues writing endings), Rob Sanders has gotten a lot of love from me lately. He definitely has a knack for taking fairly poorly detailed bits of fluff, as he did with the Iron Warriors, the Alpha Legion, and the Feast of Blades, and really accentuating what makes those things awesome.
   
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 Redcruisair wrote:
 DarthMarko wrote:
^ Yeah, Ahriman Exile was pretty cool...

So French wrote that one?

Is it any good?


O yes

ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."

Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan


 
   
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Graham McNeil got me hooked with Storm of Iron. Before reading that, I think it'd read Warrior Brood by C.S. Goto (which had put me off the Black Library for a few years) and some bolterporn omnibus. Storm of Iron was bolterporn too, but it was well done bolterporn. And also it was about Traitor Legionnaires fighting Guardsmen. The loyalist Astartes weren't the main characters, which was nice. I read some more of his stuff and a lot of it was good (A Thousand Sons for example) but the sad fact is that most of it doesn't go much beyond bolterporn. Its well done to be sure, but you can only read about the same ole massacres and bloodbaths so many times.

Then I started reading Dan Abnett's stuff. The major difference between McNeil's and Abnett's stuff is that, after reading Abnett's stuff, I remembered the characters's names. I remembered who Ravenor and Carl Thonius and Harlon Nayl and Patience Kys were. The characters had depth. I mean, the plotlines weren't always great (Why did Abnett have to drag timetravel into Ravenor Rogue, why?) but it was like the TV Show LOST. You care enough about the characters to overlook the flaws in the storyline and setting. Really though, in recent years, Abnett's writing seems to have lost its flare. Know No Fear feels like bolterporn at a larger scale than usual, and I felt cheated by Pariah (which was marketed as the conflict between Ravenor and Eisenhorn). Maybe its not that he's getting worse, but that I'm starting to read more non-licensed merchandise books, and Abnett's work is starting to pale in comparison.

So, my favorite 40k author is ADB. You can tell he's excited about the setting, and everything in his writing just fits - the story, the setting, the prose, and the characters all come together perfectly. This feels like what 40k would actually be like. His writing is by no means perfect. You can tell when he's rooting for his own characters/factions. But no author is perfect, and really I think a lot of authors have problems with this. ADB's novels are the only ones I really make an effort to read anymore. I mean, I might read something of Abnett's or McNeil's on an long flight or something like that, but otherwise I probably won't. But with ADB, I'll actually go to a store intending to buy one of his novels, which is really something.
   
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I always wandered why someone likes Gav Thorpe? Seriosly - perhaps I can open my mind to his positive parts.....

ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."

Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan


 
   
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The Lion was pretty decent I guess, but I have never read a full-length novel by him.

Raven's Flight was awesome for how parody-esque Corax's manliness was in it. I mean, he pulled the pin from a grenade, punched his fist into the chest of an Iron Warrior (Surely killing him), and then let it detonate in his palm.

Because any less is not manly enough.
   
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The Eldar path books were decent, but frankly you'll like them if you're an Eldar fan and prolly won't care for them if you aren't. Thorpe's writing is tolerable but not really amazing, imo.

Got about a third into Deliverance Lost and lost interest. Thorpe doesn't write good marines, imo. They're too emotional and human... that's probably why he does Eldar decently enough.
   
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I've never really had a problem with his writing style, personally (although I struggle with Nick Kyme's and James Swallow's). I thought The Lion was good, but the Path novels progressively worse (the first was good, but the final one was crud IMHO; and I'm an Eldar fan).
I guess I can't really hate him for Deliverance Lost, as that plot was no-doubt devised by the HH team, rather than just him.

So I guess I'm fairly neutral-to-positive regarding Thorpe.

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- Roboute Guilliman

"As I recall, your face was tortured. Imagine that - the Master of the Wolves, his ferocity twisted into grief. And yet you still carried out your duty. You always did what was asked of you. So loyal. So tenacious. Truly you were the attack dog of the Emperor. You took no pleasure in what you did. I knew that then, and I know it now. But all things change, my brother. I'm not the same as I was, and you're... well, let us not mention where you are now."
- Magnus the Red, to a statue of Leman Russ
 
   
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So little love for Commissar Cain? Whenever I go on a long ride I always take one of the Omnibuses. They are great books that are totally different from anyother black libary book. Just try to look past the recycled sentences used in every book...

Also Where is the option for Andy Chambers? The Dark Eldar Path series is magnificent. I really puts the Eldar one to shame! The discribtion of Commaragh sounds immpossible, but he does it well. The dark eldar are suitably alien, extreamly scheaming and the whole book is very fast pasted. If you have any inclanation for eldar, stay way from the eldar path books, Join the dark side!

 
   
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 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
So little love for Commissar Cain? Whenever I go on a long ride I always take one of the Omnibuses. They are great books that are totally different from anyother black libary book. Just try to look past the recycled sentences used in every book...

Also Where is the option for Andy Chambers? The Dark Eldar Path series is magnificent. I really puts the Eldar one to shame! The discribtion of Commaragh sounds immpossible, but he does it well. The dark eldar are suitably alien, extreamly scheaming and the whole book is very fast pasted. If you have any inclanation for eldar, stay way from the eldar path books, Join the dark side!


Sorry, I kind of missed those books, are they good ?
Btw, poll updated....

ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."

Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan


 
   
 
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