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The unit does deploy onto the battlement though. Just because part of a models base is hanging off, it's still on the battlement.

Just like if I move a Warrior Unit to stand on a wall with part of the base hanging over the wall. It's still on the wall and gains all the benifits and detraments for having the higher elevation even though part of the base is hanging off.



(And as an aside, the Malwoc would have to take a DT test on the battlement nothing precludes that.)
   
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Lets agree to disagree on this one then! I cant think of any benefit to doing this though?

Would you allow a mawloc to deploy on top of a say tower or a very tall rock 2 inchs in diameter (have some at one of my clubs)

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As with any rule that you interperate as ambigious, always talk about it with your group and come to a concensus on HYWPI.

To your question:

Is the tower or rock impassible terrian? If so, No as there are rules for TFtD to avoid impassible terrian.

If those pieces are considered Difficult, then yes, I see no reason to prevent the Malwoc from arriving in those locations.

A benifit, A Space Wolf Long Fang Squad is Atop a battlement, the Malwoc uses TFtD causing wounds and forces the Space Wolfs off the battlement also causing falling damage. Then in addition to being forced to move back into Coheasion the following turn, they are snap firing. Plenty of reasons when game starts.

   
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There is a rule on page 95 that says only models that can fit a battlement, even mentioned odd balancing acts arent OK.


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BRB Pg 95 Paragraph 3 wrote:

...can hold as many models of a single unit as will fit without resorting to odd balancing acts.


A battlement is about 4" square, the base of a Malwoc easily sits atop said battlement without the need of any assistance from a player or an "odd balancing act"; however, I do concide the point that an arguement can be made against it, as I see your point now, though I disagree.
   
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Anyone have a copy of the "is the ruler/hammer on the table?" picture

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That one?

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foolishmortal wrote:
"is the ruler/hammer on the table?

It is on the table, but it is also off the table

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Thanks Rigeld. That picture is damn useful in some discussions and just for giggles

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Now in my opinion that is an "odd balancing act" lol

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Yonush wrote:
Is the tower or rock impassible terrian? If so, No as there are rules for TFtD to avoid impassible terrian.


Actually it doesn't, so I wouldn't risk the scatter to deepstrike onto a bastion's battlements.

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Wobbly model syndrome?... Thing is does the base even fit within the top of the bastion?... Being a MC it would need to be 25% obscured anyway as the top is not area terrain, so a Mawloc on a tower is like a bottle on top of a wall, an easy target... It would have to jump off in order to leave it, and take a hit, unless it decides to burrow...


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Hmmm, if there was models on the top, when they are displaced, would they die, or take a falling hit as well?... And is the gun on top impassable?...

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PR, you are correct, I was mixing the TFtD Rules and the Trygon Rules. My bad. As for the risk, no guts no glory :-).

Major, Based on my reading of the rules, they would take falling damage as they will be forced "jump". The Gun on top is a model, and would be pushed off and take falling damage as well. In addition, I don't think anyone ever said it would claim a cover save up there.

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Yonush wrote:
The Gun on top is a model, and would be pushed off and take falling damage as well.

The gun is terrain (Battlefield debris to be exact) and not a model.

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Hrm... Don't have my book in front of me atm, so I have no rules/cititations to refute that it wouldn't move.

If it doesn't move, like a difficult terrian rock, then the Malwoc would be sitting atop of it and not the bastion right?
   
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Yonush wrote:
Hrm... Don't have my book in front of me atm, so I have no rules/cititations to refute that it wouldn't move.

If it doesn't move, like a difficult terrian rock, then the Malwoc would be sitting atop of it and not the bastion right?

Yes, unless you classified it as impassible terrain.

The reason the Gun is not a model is because "In addition to its characteristics profile, each model will have a unit type" P.3

The Quad gun does not have a unit type.

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