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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/20 03:13:07
Subject: Fire Warrior drones and scoring.
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Captain of the Forlorn Hope
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Krellnus wrote:Do royal court characters that are the last remaining model in their unit score? If yes, then drones score, if not drones don't score.
That situation is not comparable.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/20 03:14:10
Subject: Fire Warrior drones and scoring.
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Tilter at Windmills
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Royal court models work like Wolf Guard. If assigned to a unit before the battle begins, they count as a member of that unit for all purposes, including scoring. Reference page 7 of the Space Wolf FAQ:
http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m2940050a_Space_Wolves_v1.2_JANUARY13.pdf
Royal Court members also have no special rule stating that they're never scoring. Unlike Drones, which explicitly say that if the whole unit is comprised of Drones, they aren't scoring.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/20 03:16:06
Subject: Fire Warrior drones and scoring.
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Judgemental Grey Knight Justicar
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this is what I make of it all:
drone only unit = non scoring
so since all firewarriors are dead now its an all drone unit, hence non scoring unit
with the scoring IC thing, when he joins the unit HE still scores and the unit is not (area of control to score objectives is just measured from him)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/20 17:33:18
Subject: Fire Warrior drones and scoring.
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Dakka Veteran
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Some good arguments here about this. However the tau codex is clear that drones by themselves, key word there, are non scoring non denial.
However if that drones with the fire warriors it would be scoring/denile. Since its part of a non drone only unit that is both scoring and denile.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/20 17:42:49
Subject: Fire Warrior drones and scoring.
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Captain of the Forlorn Hope
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Lungpickle wrote:Some good arguments here about this. However the tau codex is clear that drones by themselves, key word there, are non scoring non denial.
There really are not any good arguments, it is clear in the book. However if that drones with the fire warriors it would be scoring/denile. Since its part of a non drone only unit that is both scoring and denile.
drones with fire warriors are scoring/denial, but only if there are any fire warriors left in the unit. If the unit is only drones, then they become non scoring/denial.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/20 17:52:01
Subject: Re:Fire Warrior drones and scoring.
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Cosmic Joe
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The codex doesn't care what unit the drones came with the codex quite clearly states:
A unit comprised entirely of drones is a non-scoring non-denial unit.
Firewarrior unit=scoring.
Firewarrior unit comprised entirely of drones=non scoring non denial.
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Nosebiter wrote:Codex Space Marine is renamed as Codex Counts As Because I Dont Like To Loose And Gw Hates My Army. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/20 18:02:01
Subject: Fire Warrior drones and scoring.
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Preacher of the Emperor
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If you have a fire warrior unit with 1 drone, can that drone leave that unit at any point in time like an IC?
if not, i would think that the 9 fire warriors and the 1 drone are a scoring unit from the beginning, and this doesn't change no matter how many or which models are left in the unit. it is still the remnants of the original unit.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/20 18:05:09
Subject: Fire Warrior drones and scoring.
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Cosmic Joe
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Is the unit comprised entirely of drones?
Also how do IC relate to this in any way they have their own awesome rules who take up a page in the BRB describing exactly how they operate in most situations.
Drones similarly have a page of rules dedicated to them in the codex, guess which one is on top of that page.
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Nosebiter wrote:Codex Space Marine is renamed as Codex Counts As Because I Dont Like To Loose And Gw Hates My Army. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/20 18:10:10
Subject: Re:Fire Warrior drones and scoring.
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Here is my counter argument to the scoring IC discussion:
Permissive rules
-IC has permission to score.
-troops have permission to score.
-hq, elites, fast attack, and heavy support do not have denial to score, they simply are not given permission to score.
-joining a unit does not deny the IC its scoring status, as no part of the units rules denies the ability to score.
Note that this does not give scoring to the unit. IE, regardless of joined to a unit or not the warlord himself would have to be in range to hold the objective, members of his unit would not count
As to the drones:
Drones, when not with non drones, are denied permission to score without exception.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/20 20:13:30
Subject: Re:Fire Warrior drones and scoring.
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One Canoptek Scarab in a Swarm
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Do drones from the flyer count as fast attacks by themselves when they disembark during the scouring? As in reward a separate kill point from the flyer when killed? And also do the drones also score/deny when they disembark since the scouring makes fast attacks scoring?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/20 20:18:11
Subject: Fire Warrior drones and scoring.
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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No, becaue you have a specific codex rule stating they never score, or deny
Yes they would be a separate FA unit
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/21 01:30:26
Subject: Re:Fire Warrior drones and scoring.
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Shas'ui with Bonding Knife
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DocStammson wrote:Do drones from the flyer count as fast attacks by themselves when they disembark during the scouring? As in reward a separate kill point from the flyer when killed? And also do the drones also score/deny when they disembark since the scouring makes fast attacks scoring?
They count as a "Single new unit". It dose not specify what force org slot the drones would fill, so I assume they fill none and can not score or deny as per the drone rules.
On the question about the kill point/victory point.
No.
Pg.33 Tau Empire Codex
Drones that start the game attached to a vehicle do not award Victory Points when destroyed. In addition, your opponent only needs to destroy the vehicle, and not the that vehicle's drones as well, to be awarded any Victory Points it is worth.
In other words, you get nothing for killing the drones from a vehicle if they detached, only the vehicle itself is worth anything.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/21 04:22:22
Subject: Re:Fire Warrior drones and scoring.
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Captain of the Forlorn Hope
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Nilok wrote:DocStammson wrote:Do drones from the flyer count as fast attacks by themselves when they disembark during the scouring? As in reward a separate kill point from the flyer when killed? And also do the drones also score/deny when they disembark since the scouring makes fast attacks scoring? They count as a "Single new unit". It dose not specify what force org slot the drones would fill, so I assume they fill none...
You assume incorrectly, they are whatever force org they were bought for. If they were bought as a part of a Fast Attack vehicle, the new drone unit is a fast attack unit. Not that it matters as they are always non scoring/Non denial units.
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