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not really, as with T3 and ASL, they really need to have numbers to soak up the inevitable wounds...

 japehlio wrote:
not really, as with T3 and ASL, they really need to have numbers to soak up the inevitable wounds...

Hmm, I see. What would be a minimum unit size for them to work even as an effective speed bump?

 Crimson wrote:

 japehlio wrote:
not really, as with T3 and ASL, they really need to have numbers to soak up the inevitable wounds...

Hmm, I see. What would be a minimum unit size for them to work even as an effective speed bump?

I will guess 20 ( 5x4 ) so you get normally 1-2 ranks more than whatever you are fighting, tho they will still be quite squichy as a 6x2 or 6x3 Chaos warrior block will dish out like 19 attacks with champion at Str4, so you are better off having them in a horde for those purposes.
If you want a real speed bump you might want a lot of halberdiers since they hit at 1 less strenght but are most likely cheaper and hit on their initiative instead of last ( Which will help )

Generally vs anything else than chaos i cant give any insight in i am afraid, I guess you could use such a unit as a flank charge against heavy cavalry if you manage to lock them in combat or use them against monsters.

Dracoknight wrote:

I will guess 20 ( 5x4 ) so you get normally 1-2 ranks more than whatever you are fighting, tho they will still be quite squichy as a 6x2 or 6x3 Chaos warrior block will dish out like 19 attacks with champion at Str4, so you are better off having them in a horde for those purposes.
If you want a real speed bump you might want a lot of halberdiers since they hit at 1 less strenght but are most likely cheaper and hit on their initiative instead of last ( Which will help )

Yes, but halberdiers are not stubborn; against a superior foe they're much more likely to break than greatswords.